Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Ditat Deus”

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#162744 Mar 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, and those who hallucinate have deeply moving experiences also. They are experiences of things that do not exist, though. You *claim* you didn't hallucinate, but that would be my default assumption if I experiences such things.
How do you convince someone who has hallucinated that what they experienced was a hallucination?
I understand.

But my default position is that I didn't hallucinate.

I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise.

I'm not a super spiritual kinda guy, I've never "spoken in tongues", I don't believe in ghosts or auras or karma...

None of that crap.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162745 Mar 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Love and jealousy are very different. They are *internal* experiences, not perceptions of *external* realities. You can have both emotions without there being any real external subject for them.
In the case of *internal* experiences, you can 'just know'. In the case of *external* reality, you cannot.
I disagree.

They are internal experiences caused by an exterior force.

It's pretty hard to fall in love with nothing or be jealous of nothing.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162746 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I used to own a Dodge.
It was the Dodge Scapegoat, huh?

Figures....

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162747 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I understand.

But my default position is that I didn't hallucinate.

I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise.

I'm not a super spiritual kinda guy, I've never "spoken in tongues", I don't believe in ghosts or auras or karma...

None of that crap.
Anybody hallucinating would claim they were not.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162748 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>It was the Dodge Scapegoat, huh?

Figures....
If you had been born on an island that had never encountered the bible or anyone familiar with it, would you still be able to experience the biblical god or Jesus?

“Ditat Deus”

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#162749 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Anybody hallucinating would claim they were not.
Not true.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162750 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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If you had been born on an island that had never encountered the bible or anyone familiar with it, would you still be able to experience the biblical god or Jesus?
Yes.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162751 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>It was the Dodge Scapegoat, huh?

Figures....
Actually, it was an Intrepid.

Like me.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162752 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Actually, it was an Intrepid.
Like me.
Hey cool.

The USS Voyager was an Intrepid class starship.

:)
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#162753 Mar 28, 2013
Rush wrote:
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Yes, first day.
No, Nebraska GBR!
Actually, young love starts with being horney, and goes from there.
Obviously you must be pretty dumb to assume kids can fall in love. What gets me so angry is older people my age, or maybe older assuming that teenagers can fall in love.

And these same people in their late 50's or 60's also assume they were actually in love when they were kids. HA!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162754 Mar 28, 2013
Unable to answer my questions I see. Childish retorts is all you have left.

What made you think you could debate with your betters?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Super!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162755 Mar 28, 2013
Yes best change the subject when you are unable to answer questions posed to you eh?

Keep dancing of us puppet.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Hey cool.

The USS Voyager was an Intrepid class starship.

:)

“Think&Care”

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#162756 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I disagree.
They are internal experiences caused by an exterior force.
It's pretty hard to fall in love with nothing or be jealous of nothing.
On the contrary, it is very common for people to feel the emotion of love when the object of their emotion has a completely different emotion. This is even more true of jealousy, when imagined trespasses are quite common. This shows the emotions are NOT caused by an exterior force, but are internally induced (although sometimes triggered by external events).

I'd even go so far as to say that people many people are 'in love' with partners that have little to do with the *actual* person. Instead, they are imagined entities conforming to some ideal that the real person would not recognize as being themselves. Now, this type of self-delusion probably decreases with experience, but I do think it is quite common. The phenomenon of 'putting someone on a pedestal' is a classic example.

“Think&Care”

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#162757 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I understand.
But my default position is that I didn't hallucinate.
I doubt anyone could convince me otherwise.
And this is also the default position of most people that hallucinate.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162758 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Yes.
I doubt it.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#162759 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I've answered those questions already, several times.
It's not my fault you don't pay attention.
It was probably your mythical Satan! that touched you.

How would you know?

You wouldn't. It may have been Quetzalcoatl.

You really can't say if it was or wasn't.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162760 Mar 28, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>It was probably your mythical Satan! that touched you.

How would you know?

You wouldn't. It may have been Quetzalcoatl.

You really can't say if it was or wasn't.
If it was a long haired, white guy it was Jesus.

Unless, of course, Jesus really looked like a middle easterner.

“FAITH IN MANKIND”

Since: Mar 13

AT PEACE WITH NATURE

#162761 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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They knew they shouldn't eat the fruit, if tehy don't want death. It is enough knowledge.
"The woman said to the serpent, "Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said,'You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
Genesis 3:2-3
But maybe it was not question of good/bad. The result in both ways can be seen as good. But as God had said, with that fruit comes also death. And death seems to be good sometimes, at least many atheists think it is better than eternal life :)
Many people speak of eternal life. What do you expect that eternal life to be? How would you define it? Is it just a continuation of your current life maybe without all the rest of us that you don't agree with?

I think that I would be bored spending eternity with the same group of people. Especially if they just want to stand around and sing "Shall We Gather At The River".

RIVERSIDE REDNECK SALOON

Would make a great name for a dive! LOL
Realist

Syracuse, NY

#162762 Mar 28, 2013
Have any of you "believers" actually ever sat down and had a one one converstaion with your so call "God"?

“Ditat Deus”

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#162763 Mar 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Unable to answer my questions I see. Childish retorts is all you have left.
What made you think you could debate with your betters?
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Swell!

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