Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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“Think&Care”

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#162673 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh no, not another one....
"If science can't detect it, it doesn't exist."
Blah
If there is no way, even theoretically, for detection (which means via science) to happen, then the existence is meaningless.
Very good and very true.
I almost lost my faith when I was young. It wasn't until God touched me & spoke to me did I change my thinking on it.
It's an amazing feeling when you feel God's presence, it really is.
Similar, from what I have heard to what people experience on psychedelics. That doesn't make the experience true or correctly interpreted.

“Think&Care”

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#162674 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Have you any answers?
How are you defining myth?
A myth is a system of beliefs that is held by a group of people, often of concerning a supernatural, with no evidence to establish its veracity. Myths tend to be good fiction, but short on facts.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162675 Mar 27, 2013
How do you know god can't be scientifically tested by anyone? You are privy to the knowledge and abilities of every person that ever has and ever will exist?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>God can't be scientifically scrutinized. Not by me, not by you, not by anyone.

You find God within your soul, not without it.

It is your choice to believe, no one can force it on you.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#162676 Mar 27, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, Tacitus relates the existence of Christians. That is interesting information. He also relates that those Christians believe their founder was executed by the procurator Pilate. However, and unlike historians today, Tacitus would not have looked at original records from Judea about such records, but simply related what the Christians were believed by Romans to believe. The Romans also believed the Christians engaged in cannibalism.
What Tacitus definitely does NOT do is verify anything god-like about Christus or say that his name was actually Jesus. So what we have is that some people in the early second century believed their founder, named Christus, was executed. Given that many different Christ legends existed at the time (Gnostic, for example, but Essene also), why does this support the Christian belief of a human God? Especially since Tacitus would have been quite happy to relate any aspects that were associated with Gods (and did so on many other occasions).
That is giving that the line was not an insertion, and there are plenty of seasoned historians who think it was. But even if we accept it as genuine, it is far less than revealing as a believer would hope.
It is a highly generic statement, that could in fact be in reference to about any christian who led the order.
I see it as a confirmation of rebellion existed to rule of thumb. so it is merely confirmation that elements contrary to absolute authority existed, and that some payed dearly for not fitting in like flynn.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#162677 Mar 27, 2013
Are you really humiliating yourself with the Christian forged Tacitus passage that was inserted in the year 1600?

You honestly believe a roman imperial would call a random Jewish guy Christ or messiah? Well he would if he wanted to lose his livelihood, get dragged into the streets, flogged and executed. Roman imperials didn't take kindly to such statements and Tacitus would know it would be suicidal.

But let's forget the passage was forged by Christians in the year 1600, let's forget a roman imperial would never call a Jewish man the messiah by threat of torture and death. Let's just blindly accept the passage. Even then Tacitus is merely documenting what Christians decades later said about Jesus.

Nothing more.

It equals zero proof and you know it.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Lol

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_histor...

"Christus, the founder of the [Christian] name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the
pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, by through the city of
Rome also." Annals XV, 44

-Cornelius Tacitus, a 1st and 2nd century Roman historian.

Considered one of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Tacitus verifies the Biblical account of Jesus' execution at the hands of Pontius Pilate who governed Judea from 26-36 A.D. during the reign of Tiberius.

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#162678 Mar 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
How can it be between me and this god concept that you cannot even make a case for? Not only can you not show proof you are unable to even articulate a basic argument for your assertion!
All you can do is burp you believe god exists? Seriously? Completely unable to even craft a semi logical case to back up your assertion? Nothing? You got nothing?
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I guess you missed the "I believe in God because" part...

You're such an opinionated fool.

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#162679 Mar 27, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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If there is no way, even theoretically, for detection (which means via science) to happen, then the existence is meaningless.
I suppose you believe we've finished the periodic table....
Similar, from what I have heard to what people experience on psychedelics. That doesn't make the experience true or correctly interpreted.
True. I interpret it the way I want.

And I want to interpret it the way I have.

Problem?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162680 Mar 27, 2013
But they didn't understand the concept of right and wrong before they ate the fruit right? Or did the bible lie?

You suck at this I must say.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Ugh..

Yes, they did know. It's in Genesis 2 AND Genesis 3...

Genesis 3
2 The woman said to the serpent,“We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
3 but God did say,‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

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#162681 Mar 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
How do you know god can't be scientifically tested by anyone? You are privy to the knowledge and abilities of every person that ever has and ever will exist?
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If someone could scientifically scrutinize God, don't you think they would have by now?

Idiot, I never said we never will be able to, did I?

Is that your "freethinking" hard at work again?

HA HA HA !!!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162682 Mar 27, 2013
Again how do you know it was god?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Oh no, not another one....

"If science can't detect it, it doesn't exist."

Blah

[QUOTE] Belief comes after evidence that convinces. It is not a choice. Either the evidence is there and convinces you or it isn't or doesn't. The choice comes in *saying* you believe or disbelieve and whether you attempt to delude yourself by not thinking about the subject."

Very good and very true.

I almost lost my faith when I was young. It wasn't until God touched me & spoke to me did I change my thinking on it.

It's an amazing feeling when you feel God's presence, it really is.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162683 Mar 27, 2013
I rely on facts not hallucinations like you. Again can you even make a reasonable case for your god assertion beyond your delusion?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I guess you missed the "I believe in God because" part...

You're such an opinionated fool.

Since: Jul 12

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#162684 Mar 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Are you really humiliating yourself with the Christian forged Tacitus passage that was inserted in the year 1600?
Prove your story.

Or accept the true story.

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#162685 Mar 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
But they didn't understand the concept of right and wrong before they ate the fruit right? Or did the bible lie?
You suck at this I must say.
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They knew they shouldn't eat the fruit, if tehy don't want death. It is enough knowledge.

"The woman said to the serpent, "Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said,'You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'"
Genesis 3:2-3

But maybe it was not question of good/bad. The result in both ways can be seen as good. But as God had said, with that fruit comes also death. And death seems to be good sometimes, at least many atheists think it is better than eternal life :)

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#162686 Mar 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I rely on facts not hallucinations like you. Again can you even make a reasonable case for your god assertion beyond your delusion?
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A hallucination is the perception of something not present.

I didn't hallucinate.

Look, ass, you don't have to believe me. But you should accept that want I'm saying is my perception.

It's obvious that I'll never convince you. It should be obvious to you that you'll never make me doubt.

So shut that cock holster you call a mouth.

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#162687 Mar 27, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again how do you know it was god?
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Because I know.

How do you know when you're in love?

How do you know when you're jealous?

*shrugs*

You just do.

But go on, prove you love your mother.

I'll wait.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#162688 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Agnostic atheist is an oxymoron.
A true atheist does not believe in the existence of deities. They just don't.
So how could someone that doesn't believe in the existence of deities also not "know for sure" if deities exist?
I don't believe in the supernatural. No deities, no magic, no astrology, no Santa, no witches, no hexes, no ghosts.

I don't believe in any of it. I'm a nonbeliever.

Why? Because I have seen no evidence of the supernatural.

If somebody, some day, shows me evidence of the supernatural, I will reconsider.

QUESTION: What am I?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#162689 Mar 27, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>But they didn't know they weren't supposed to disobey until AFTER.
They didn't know it was wrong to disobey.
They didn't know.
They COULDN'T know - that's the way the deity set it up.
They were NOT wrong to eat.
If there is a god, and what you say is true, god is a real sonofabitch.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#162690 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I suppose you believe we've finished the periodic table....
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True. I interpret it the way I want.
And I want to interpret it the way I have.
Problem?
No problem.

You're part of the myth cult though.

Problem?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#162691 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because I know.
How do you know when you're in love?
How do you know when you're jealous?
*shrugs*
You just do.
But go on, prove you love your mother.
I'll wait.
Dude, love and jealousy are feelings, your own personal, subjective feelings.

You're trying to show there's a god, a real something, something objective, that exists outside of you.

You can't see the difference?

Really?

Since: Jul 12

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#162692 Mar 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I don't believe in the supernatural. No deities, no magic, no astrology, no Santa, no witches, no hexes, no ghosts.
I don't believe in any of it. I'm a nonbeliever.
Why? Because I have seen no evidence of the supernatural.
If somebody, some day, shows me evidence of the supernatural, I will reconsider.
QUESTION: What am I?
Um....

A Tribble?

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