Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#162724 Mar 28, 2013
zaoptioinm wrote:
if nobody told me about God i would have been a horrible person so it's good that they brainwashed me..
If the only thing stopping you from being a horrible person is your deity - you're already a horrible person.
Bongo

Bayport, NY

#162725 Mar 28, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Is there a wrong end?
Yes, the typical topix atheist will be flabberghasted
Jesus also tells us in Matthew 12:36-37:I tell you, on the Day of Judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
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Paul the Apostle took Judgment Day so seriously that he lived his life based on its court proceedings. Read 2 Corinthians 5:9-11:
Bongo

Bayport, NY

#162726 Mar 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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If there is a god, and what you say is true, god is a real sonofabitch.
Keep digging yourself deeper, shnoogly. Catcher will be caught, bwhahahahahahaha

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162727 Mar 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
They were told not to but they couldn't really understand as they didn't have the knowledge of right and wrong until after they ate the fruit.
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Awesome.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162728 Mar 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Again low IQ reject, how did you know it was god? How did you know it was the biblical god?
<quoted text>
That's great!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162729 Mar 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Show me a copy of Tacitus pre 1600 that contains the Christ line. What's the real story retard? That a roman imperial would call some Jewish guy the messiah in his writings? Is that the real story?
Are you that stupid?
<quoted text>
Great.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162730 Mar 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yawn. You have already been humiliated on this before. Love and jealousy are demonstrable.
Again how did you know this being in your delusion was god? Which god? How did you know it wasn't the great spirit bear saying he was with you?
Or did you have a dream and attribute it to the bible god you are comfortable with?this is most likely it seems.
<quoted text>
Super!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162731 Mar 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Because of your dream.
<quoted text>
Neato!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162732 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
You have just admitted to confirmation bias.
Thank you.
Oh.

Thanks, Dr Phil.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162733 Mar 28, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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You're losing your argument badly, and you know it.
How many times has god talked to you and touched you since that first time?
What were the circumstances? We're you in church? Alone?
Had you heard of god before your experience?
Had you heard of or read the bible before your experience?
Had you not been exposed to Christianity before your experience, would you still believe it was the biblical god?
I've answered those questions already, several times.

It's not my fault you don't pay attention.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#162734 Mar 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> That is giving that the line was not an insertion, and there are plenty of seasoned historians who think it was. But even if we accept it as genuine, it is far less than revealing as a believer would hope.
It is a highly generic statement, that could in fact be in reference to about any christian who led the order.
I see it as a confirmation of rebellion existed to rule of thumb. so it is merely confirmation that elements contrary to absolute authority existed, and that some payed dearly for not fitting in like flynn.
It is pretty clear that the lines in Josephus are insertions, but it isn't so clear that the lines in Tacitus are. The 'flow' isn't disrupted in Tacitus like it is in Josephus.
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#162735 Mar 28, 2013
Rush wrote:
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Congrats! I remember what it was like my first time..........Now next is when he hopes you are dead, or tells you to kill yourself.*sigh* Young love.
Are you a new user then?
Did you start off on the california threads?
And young love is such rebellion, little boys think that their love is new, and exciting, when really they are just trying to replace the lack of affection they had from their mother.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#162736 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I suppose you believe we've finished the periodic table....
No, and irrelevant. We know about protons and neutrons and that they can go together to form nuclei. The question in the periodic table is whether they can go together to make really big nuclei.

You like to argue that lack of *current* evidence of certain scientific phenomena is equivalent to the *permanent* lack of evidence of theological ideas. There is a HUGE difference. First of all, new evidence will come from areas we have not yet explored or been able to explore because of lack of technology. But anything detected is, by definition, physical. You, on the other hand, are claiming the existence of a non-physical which, again by definition, cannot have physical evidence. That means that it is impossible, even in theory to have evidence of your deity. You have even admitted as much.

I will admit that people have 'religious experiences'. There is actually a wide variety of such experiences produced in some fairly well-known situations. Read some William James some time if you want a more detailed investigation. The question isn't whether humans can experience this type of emotional upheaval. The question is whether there is a supernatural that in any way causes such experiences. THAT is the point you consistently avoid and that must be addresses before any mention of deities can even proceed.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#162737 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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A hallucination is the perception of something not present.
I didn't hallucinate.
Look, ass, you don't have to believe me. But you should accept that want I'm saying is my perception.
It's obvious that I'll never convince you. It should be obvious to you that you'll never make me doubt.
So shut that cock holster you call a mouth.
Yes, and those who hallucinate have deeply moving experiences also. They are experiences of things that do not exist, though. You *claim* you didn't hallucinate, but that would be my default assumption if I experiences such things.

How do you convince someone who has hallucinated that what they experienced was a hallucination?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#162738 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Because I know.
How do you know when you're in love?
How do you know when you're jealous?
*shrugs*
You just do.
But go on, prove you love your mother.
I'll wait.
Love and jealousy are very different. They are *internal* experiences, not perceptions of *external* realities. You can have both emotions without there being any real external subject for them.

In the case of *internal* experiences, you can 'just know'. In the case of *external* reality, you cannot.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162739 Mar 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I've answered those questions already, several times.
It's not my fault you don't pay attention.
I used to own a Dodge.

Since: Apr 09

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#162740 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Are you a new user then?
Did you start off on the california threads?
And young love is such rebellion, little boys think that their love is new, and exciting, when really they are just trying to replace the lack of affection they had from their mother.
WTF? You are so incredibly damaged...
Rush

Columbus, NE

#162741 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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Are you a new user then?
Did you start off on the california threads?
And young love is such rebellion, little boys think that their love is new, and exciting, when really they are just trying to replace the lack of affection they had from their mother.
Yes, first day.
No, Nebraska GBR!
Actually, young love starts with being horney, and goes from there.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162742 Mar 28, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a new user then?
Did you start off on the california threads?
And young love is such rebellion, little boys think that their love is new, and exciting, when really they are just trying to replace the lack of affection they had from their mother.
You love little boys?

Not surprising....

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162743 Mar 28, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
No, and irrelevant. We know about protons and neutrons and that they can go together to form nuclei. The question in the periodic table is whether they can go together to make really big nuclei.
You like to argue that lack of *current* evidence of certain scientific phenomena is equivalent to the *permanent* lack of evidence of theological ideas. There is a HUGE difference. First of all, new evidence will come from areas we have not yet explored or been able to explore because of lack of technology. But anything detected is, by definition, physical. You, on the other hand, are claiming the existence of a non-physical which, again by definition, cannot have physical evidence. That means that it is impossible, even in theory to have evidence of your deity. You have even admitted as much.
I will admit that people have 'religious experiences'. There is actually a wide variety of such experiences produced in some fairly well-known situations. Read some William James some time if you want a more detailed investigation. The question isn't whether humans can experience this type of emotional upheaval. The question is whether there is a supernatural that in any way causes such experiences. THAT is the point you consistently avoid and that must be addresses before any mention of deities can even proceed.
I wasn't talking about physical evidence for my non-physical experience.

But you make sense.

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