Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#162650 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Dude, what?
They were told not to eat of that tree.
They did.
They were punished.
That's how punishment works.
But they didn't know they weren't supposed to disobey until AFTER.

They didn't know it was wrong to disobey.

They didn't know.

They COULDN'T know - that's the way the deity set it up.

They were NOT wrong to eat.
Rush

Columbus, NE

#162651 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Aaawwwww you're so sweet.
(This is the first time you've told me you hate me)
*cries*
Congrats! I remember what it was like my first time..........Now next is when he hopes you are dead, or tells you to kill yourself.*sigh* Young love.

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

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#162652 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I guess if you idolize Hitler.....
He did have something to be admired, but how he used this is.
Far less than audible.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162653 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Agnostic atheist is an oxymoron.

A true atheist does not believe in the existence of deities. They just don't.

So how could someone that doesn't believe in the existence of deities also not "know for sure" if deities exist?
You really do have reading comprehension issues, don't you.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162654 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>LOL.

Again, God has no beginning. His existence is not based on the existence of the universe.

Do try.

At least try.
And you know this how, exactly?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#162655 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I cannot prove to you that God exists. That's between you & God.

However, you asked me to "Present my case that god exists", not prove it.

I believe that God exists because He has answered my prayers, I have heard His voice and I have felt His hand.

Case presented.

Now, biblically contradict Genesis 1:1....
Does he sound like Morgan Freeman?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#162656 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Lol
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_histor...
"Christus, the founder of the [Christian] name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea in the reign of Tiberius. But the
pernicious superstition, repressed for a time, broke out again, not only through Judea, where the mischief originated, by through the city of
Rome also." Annals XV, 44
-Cornelius Tacitus, a 1st and 2nd century Roman historian.
Considered one of the greatest historians of ancient Rome, Tacitus verifies the Biblical account of Jesus' execution at the hands of Pontius Pilate who governed Judea from 26-36 A.D. during the reign of Tiberius.
Tacitus was allegedly writing of a time 30-odd years after the Nazarene's execution.
He reports that the execution occurred.
He alleges that an annoying cult had sprung up since.

He was also writing of the Great Fire - for which Nero really wanted a scapegoat.

Wonder whether it's even worth pointing out that the oldest surviving manuscript is from the 11th century...
Rush

Columbus, NE

#162657 Mar 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Hey!
I got some big KA-Ching from the tooth fairy.
You can't tell ME it doesn't exist.
I have evidence.
LOL What the hell does every body have against the tooth fairy? What's next, Easter Bunny stew? The Easter Bunny comes with the candy,and then comes the tooth fairy. If you believe in one, you have to belive in the other.

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

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#162658 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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No, first you have to prove that it is a black hole.
<quoted text>
Why?
Your belief in God is between you & God. I'm out of it.
The conditions defines as such , have been proven to a reasonable degree of accuracy , that to refute them you will have to explain why it is not one. Black holes exist, no as exception to the rule, but rather...as a axiom rule of universal law.

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

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#162659 Mar 27, 2013
Hukt on Fonix wrote:
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I dunno 'bout Michio.
The guy's interesting... but, he's become sort of a media wh_re.
He's been on Art Bell's radio show several times!
That alone says something.
Just my 2 bits.
Exactly, he is advanced, but not extraordinarily so.
But him as well as others in tele-teaching are very popular figures and deserve respect for sharing their knowledge. He is a very likeable theoretical physicist, who is not one to challenge classical thinking with extravagance.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#162660 Mar 27, 2013
socci wrote:
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Jesus is a recorded historic fact.
There is a fair amount of debate about that. But I don't find it all that unreasonable that a wandering preacher saying essentially what was attributed to Jesus existed and was put to death by Roman authorities becuse of his association with the Zealots.

That doesn't mean that his legend didn't grpow over time and was written mostly by people who believed something far different than the original person.
The tooth fairy is not. The Bible says Jesus is God & Creator.
The identification of Jesus with God is a much later development and was not part of the original Christian teachings. Even so, all that this would mena is that the Bible is wrong. Again.
Your relationship with him is just one of rejection, and ignorance.
In the end this will be of no excuse.
I am fairly aware of the *claims* of Christianity and its history. That is why I realize it is a myth.

Your scare tactics to induce someone to go along with your system in spite of disbelief is dishonest and immoral.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162661 Mar 27, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>But they didn't know they weren't supposed to disobey until AFTER.
They didn't know it was wrong to disobey.
They didn't know.
They COULDN'T know - that's the way the deity set it up.
They were NOT wrong to eat.
Ugh..

Yes, they did know. It's in Genesis 2 AND Genesis 3...

Genesis 3
2 The woman said to the serpent,“We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
3 but God did say,‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

“Think&Care”

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#162662 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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LOL.
Again, God has no beginning. His existence is not based on the existence of the universe.
Do try.
At least try.
Yes,that is the myth. Whether or not that myth has anything to do with reality is the question.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162663 Mar 27, 2013
Rush wrote:
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Congrats! I remember what it was like my first time..........Now next is when he hopes you are dead, or tells you to kill yourself.*sigh* Young love.
Ah yes.

I'm in hate...

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

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#162664 Mar 27, 2013
socci wrote:
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Jesus is a recorded historic fact. The tooth fairy is not. The Bible says Jesus is God & Creator. Your relationship with him is just one of rejection, and ignorance.
In the end this will be of no excuse.
Problematic is this claim.....

The Bible says.

It is not an authority in the real world of explaining exactly how this is, or came to be this way.
Only popular to those of very little understanding of these things.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162665 Mar 27, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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And you know this how, exactly?
Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God." (Psalm 90:1)

“Think&Care”

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#162666 Mar 27, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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God can't be scientifically scrutinized. Not by me, not by you, not by anyone.
Which is exactly why I consider the existence to be meaningless.
You find God within your soul, not without it.
It is your choice to believe, no one can force it on you.
Belief comes after evidence that convinces. It is not a choice. Either the evidence is there and convinces you or it isn't or doesn't. The choice comes in *saying* you believe or disbelieve and whether you attempt to delude yourself by not thinking about the subject.

“God of War”

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#162667 Mar 27, 2013
socci wrote:
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Your denial will not change anything. The historians who record Jesus, Pilate, the crucifixion and Christians, have the final word on the matter. You only lie to yourself.
Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth: "These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."
www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_J...
The Evidence for the Existence of Jesus
http://youtu.be/cDoMerykoCY
Just shows your ignorance has no credibility.
We do see your will to believe, but your belief is well..... Belief.

You should look into belief and exactly what belief is.

Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true.

Belief does not make it true.

“Ditat Deus”

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#162668 Mar 27, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes,that is the myth. Whether or not that myth has anything to do with reality is the question.
Have you any answers?

How are you defining myth?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#162669 Mar 27, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Which is exactly why I consider the existence to be meaningless.
Oh no, not another one....

"If science can't detect it, it doesn't exist."

Blah
Belief comes after evidence that convinces. It is not a choice. Either the evidence is there and convinces you or it isn't or doesn't. The choice comes in *saying* you believe or disbelieve and whether you attempt to delude yourself by not thinking about the subject.
Very good and very true.

I almost lost my faith when I was young. It wasn't until God touched me & spoke to me did I change my thinking on it.

It's an amazing feeling when you feel God's presence, it really is.

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