Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Jimmy

Northwich, UK

#159405 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
No need to follow me. Just quit following others blindly because of what you read in a book. They can make misinterpretations and mistakes, too.
But that would leave you all alone.
Don't forget the donation box on your way out.
Are you selling scientology?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159406 Mar 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Decay does have a cause I think, but it
"the cause" is in itself is probabilistic. Or more correctly stated that it is "influenced" by a probabilistic cause . Do you know what I'm talking about?
Let me be more specific. The composition (and energy level) determines whether the nucleus is stable or not. In that sense, the stability or instability is cased. If it is unstable, the timing of the decay is completely probabilistic. There is no difference between a nucleus that is about to decay and one that is not. In that sense, there is no cause to the decay.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#159407 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, Buckethead do blues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =xJ1p8IYbv6EXX
Jazz and other stuff, too. Even a trumpet is included in some of those.
Blues? ha ha ha ha You gotta be kidding!!!! The first part of this the same 4 note bass line over and over. When he finally attempts to play a blues form, which is a very strict musical form, he misplaces the 4 Chord a number of times. A blues need's the 4 chord on the fifth measure, not the seventh like he did a couple of times. He's making a valiant ATTEMPT to play a minor blues, unfortunately he's not using the right tensions on the chords to bring out the true blues sound. I doubt this guy would know a blues, or anything related to jazz if it crawled up his leg and bit him on the ass. I dare say any beginning guitarists could copy what pukebucket has done here. Give me a guitar and a few minutes and I could do better that this. At least I'd put the 4 chord where it belongs. Holy shit, every time you post of these musical abortions he gets worse and worse. LOL

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159408 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I probably use a version of it in my own thinking, but it is based upon geometry, and not block long formulas.
Now, Mr Devoted Worshiper of mystical science, let me tell you an utter truth. This is in the realm of reality.
This is a fact. Belief in anything else is belief in magic.
Those probabilities and nuclear wild hairs are the result of a wrong theory. You can't make up fantasy particles and use lady luck as props for a real theory. That simple. You missed something along the way. In the case of quantum physics it is likely the theory was based upon a model that was assembled incorrectly.
But instead of doing real science, these theorists keep putting bandaids on a bleeding horse.
Oh, and the science corrects itself routine. It only will if you let it.
Go back and worship your bandaged idol, sorry, meant model.
The problem is that your belief is not evidence that the theory is wrong. What determines whether a theory is right or wrong is the ability to predict actual observations. And *that* condition is satisfied quite well by quantum mechanics. Furthermore, any assumption of local causality is *known* to be wrong based on actual observations independent of quantum mechanics (although consistent with it).

Sorry that the universe does not have to abide by your intuitions.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159409 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think you can comprehend how idiotic and space cadetish that sounds.
Probabilistic? That means it can happen or not, or will eventually happen?
Poof!! Things just happen. That takes an extraordinary belief beyond what is considered, or was considered, scientific and objective thought.
The numbers ate your brain.
None the less, this is how the real world works. I'm sorry it doesn't agree with your intuition of your mistaken ideas of how science has to work.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#159410 Mar 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me be more specific. The composition (and energy level) determines whether the nucleus is stable or not. In that sense, the stability or instability is cased. If it is unstable, the timing of the decay is completely probabilistic. There is no difference between a nucleus that is about to decay and one that is not. In that sense, there is no cause to the decay.

Yes but can it be "influenced" Or isn't it known that there is an influence? I consider it beyond the scope of determination for several factors. But we have discovered several mechanisms as contributing factors.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159411 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
No need to follow me. Just quit following others blindly because of what you read in a book. They can make misinterpretations and mistakes, too.
But that would leave you all alone.
Don't forget the donation box on your way out.
OK, you give the alternative explanation to the actual observations that have accumulated over the last century. Start with the double-slit experiment and the interference effects of electrons. Then proceed to the properties of the Kaon and the difference between the neutral kaon and its anti-particle. Then you can explain the violations of Bell's inequalities and how you get a picture consistent with your views that agrees with those observations.

You can claim the observations are mis-interpreted, but you have to give an alternative explanation that predicts and explains the observations before you can support that claim.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#159412 Mar 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes but can it be "influenced" Or isn't it known that there is an influence? I consider it beyond the scope of determination for several factors. But we have discovered several mechanisms as contributing factors.
What do you mean by 'influenced'? If you bombard the nucleus with neutrons, there is a chance it will absorb one and become a *different* nucleus with a different decay rate. If you bombard the nucleus with very high energy gamma rays, it is possible to put it into a different energy state that has a different decay rate.

In each case, the new decay rate still is probabilistic. Once you have the new nucleus, there is no difference between one just before decay and at any other time.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#159413 Mar 10, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you selling scientology?
Yes, it hasn't been working properly, so I have decided to get rid of it.

I will sell you the whole religion of scientology for USD10,000.

Believe me, it's a great deal.

I will accept a cashier's check, or electronic payment directly from your bank.

Thank you Jesus.

I mean Jimmy.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159414 Mar 10, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you selling scientology?
Did you see any ads on my posts?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159415 Mar 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Blues? ha ha ha ha You gotta be kidding!!!! The first part of this the same 4 note bass line over and over. When he finally attempts to play a blues form, which is a very strict musical form, he misplaces the 4 Chord a number of times. A blues need's the 4 chord on the fifth measure, not the seventh like he did a couple of times. He's making a valiant ATTEMPT to play a minor blues, unfortunately he's not using the right tensions on the chords to bring out the true blues sound. I doubt this guy would know a blues, or anything related to jazz if it crawled up his leg and bit him on the ass. I dare say any beginning guitarists could copy what pukebucket has done here. Give me a guitar and a few minutes and I could do better that this. At least I'd put the 4 chord where it belongs. Holy shit, every time you post of these musical abortions he gets worse and worse. LOL
Poor Buckethead, he doesn't follow your musical doctrine. The boy is going to Hell for sure.
christianity is EVIL

Halifax, Canada

#159416 Mar 10, 2013
[QUOTE who="2%"]<quoted text>
Good Friday is a day of mourning.
Easter is the day of celebration.
The day Jesus rose from the dead fulfilling scripture and conquering Sin.
That is what Christians celebrate. Talk about being out of touch with you own hatred.
[/QUOTE]
so according to you sin no longer exists..

xianity makes people stupid

www.evilbible.com

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#159417 Mar 10, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you selling scientology?
No, no, no, The Dave Nelson is a Scienthingiest.

He done did debellupped the Stringy Thingy Thingeory hizzownself.

<The Dave Nelson> "The bastards will one day pay for mocking my Stringy Thingy Thingeory!.. Mu..Mua.. MuahahahAHAHAHAHAA! "

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159418 Mar 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
None the less, this is how the real world works. I'm sorry it doesn't agree with your intuition of your mistaken ideas of how science has to work.
Bullshit.

If it did you wouldn't have so many probabilities and virtual particles floating in and put of existence.

The real world is the one technology is built on, not your theoretical musings in la la land.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#159419 Mar 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean by 'influenced'? If you bombard the nucleus with neutrons, there is a chance it will absorb one and become a *different* nucleus with a different decay rate. If you bombard the nucleus with very high energy gamma rays, it is possible to put it into a different energy state that has a different decay rate.
In each case, the new decay rate still is probabilistic. Once you have the new nucleus, there is no difference between one just before decay and at any other time.
Solar activity influences radioactive decay, so we know this is a mitigating factor.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159420 Mar 10, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
No, no, no, The Dave Nelson is a Scienthingiest.
He done did debellupped the Stringy Thingy Thingeory hizzownself.
<The Dave Nelson> "The bastards will one day pay for mocking my Stringy Thingy Thingeory!.. Mu..Mua.. MuahahahAHAHAHAHAA! "
:-)

At least I have one of my own. You have to borrow or buy what you have.

Oh, mine works just fine for me.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159421 Mar 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Solar activity influences radioactive decay, so we know this is a mitigating factor.
You would think the gravitational force would, too, meaning the field it resided in.

I thought the nucleus had a lot to do with gravity per modern physics.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#159422 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, Buckethead do blues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =xJ1p8IYbv6EXX
Jazz and other stuff, too. Even a trumpet is included in some of those.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159423 Mar 10, 2013
Your lot wears a crops right? Of you had a brother killed by a truck would you wear a necklace with a likeness of that truck?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't. We celebrate His resurrection.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#159424 Mar 10, 2013
Didn't your god go walking through the garden of Eden? Eat a meal with Abraham? Wrestle all night with Jacob?

How does that make him sound?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I don't. Christians don't believe in an invisible sky wizard. That's an atheist thing.
Y'all just can't seem to fathom God in any other way than a magical human being...

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