Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#159346 Mar 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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No, actually, my first electronic calculator could to trig functions and was, essentially, a modern scientific calculator. it just cost 25 times as much as one today (not counting inflation).
Eep.
Lincoln

United States

#159347 Mar 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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They had to.
Otherwise they would have to admit that he failed or wasn't the Son of God.
No scientists post on atheist-bot threads, funny

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159348 Mar 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Actually, you are seriously behind in a lot of things. Certain portions of the DNA are "switched off," this is part of the mutation. For example, chickens still have the genes to make teeth, but these genes are suppressed by chemicals to prevent them from reacting within the cells, thus, they don't inherently grow teeth. To "reverse" evolution these genes simply have to be unblocked, thus they are again activated. This has been known for a very long time. Most of your DNA actually never reacts with chemicals, because most of it is actually blocked. They use to think it was "junk" DNA, and thus the term was coined, but that was long discarded for the more accurate ones.
Seriously Dave, you are so far behind in understanding genetic science it's almost ... well, embarrassing.
Went by what the article said.

What you describe takes a very long time and requires a lot of variability in environments to develop, particularly with more complex models like us.

Perhaps models were produced from scratch that would adapt to various environments.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159349 Mar 10, 2013
Many years ago I was sitting in an office with other guys when one of them took two pencils, put a rubber band around them, twisted them to tension the band, and then dropped them on a desktop and we watched them dance around as the band unwound. We all laughed and got big giggle at this mindless toy bouncing around. The things people do to pass the time, and the creativity they can use to do so.

That didn't require any high tech knowledge or deep scientific understanding.

Humans make devices to express themselves in the damndest ways. From that to nuclear bombs to posting thoughts, if any, on here. We just use the forces of nature provided and have learned to manipulate for desired ends, even if they are dumb.

Each molecule of those pencils and rubber band was "expressing itself". Stress on assemblage created action and reaction.

Since we are here, what you call existing, there is a rather large probability something wound us up and dropped us on the table to express themselves.
Imhotep

United States

#159350 Mar 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Yeah.
Jesus failed.
He was supposed to become the king of the Jews, but he got nailed to a cross instead, and his sky daddy didn't come out to save him, so they had to make up the whole resurrection thing. And that's why the whole "why hast thou forsaken me" thing.
Oopsie.
Easter cancelled
Body found, film @ 11
Lincoln

United States

#159352 Mar 10, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Easter cancelled
Body found, film @ 11
.....tax supported public schools closed for Easter.
Peace
Imhotep

United States

#159353 Mar 10, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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.....tax supported public schools closed for Easter.
Peace
...tax exempt organized religions.
Vatican worlds largest landowner?
Pedophilia Central!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159354 Mar 10, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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...tax exempt organized religions.
Vatican worlds largest landowner?
Pedophilia Central!
Hiding place for homosexual predators of adolescent males. Is that the church or the homosexual network that does the evil?

Why do Topix atheists believe that ignorant snarkiness and using buzzwords is a substitute for intelligent and objective thinking?

Perhaps it is limits of their mental abilities?
Lincoln

United States

#159355 Mar 10, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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...tax exempt organized religions.
Vatican worlds largest landowner?
Don't put your money in the Vatican Bank,
read this mornings New York Times on this !
Peace

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#159357 Mar 10, 2013
zander714 wrote:
Atheism requires as much faith as religion?... This is one of the dumbest Topix forum titles I have ever read. Atheism is the lack of faith. It requires faith in nothing.
We've been telling the fundies that for years.

Somehow they can't seem to wrap their heads around the concept.
Lincoln

United States

#159358 Mar 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>We've been telling the fundies that for years.
Somehow they can't seem to wrap their heads around the concept.
"Atheist-bot" does not like the "fundies" :-)

Enjoy your use of the plural - "We've been telling the..."

Who is we?

You have a tapeworm perhaps?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159359 Mar 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>We've been telling the fundies that for years.
Somehow they can't seem to wrap their heads around the concept.
You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.

You have to have faith in what you know is the truth of all things to base that non-belief on. Look around you. There is not a man-made device or organic creature that wasn't created by some process with a design that they assembled from.

Topix atheists can't wrap their heads around that.

Of course, they can just be confusing a belief in a creator in a man made organized view as the same as an absolute unknowable creative force that made their magical poof into existence possible. Perhaps they don't know what they believe in or not believe in.

They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

“God of War”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#159360 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.
You have to have faith in what you know is the truth of all things to base that non-belief on. Look around you. There is not a man-made device or organic creature that wasn't created by some process with a design that they assembled from.
Topix atheists can't wrap their heads around that.
Of course, they can just be confusing a belief in a creator in a man made organized view as the same as an absolute unknowable creative force that made their magical poof into existence possible. Perhaps they don't know what they believe in or not believe in.
They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.

There is no magical or poof, that made our existence possible.
Unless you are calling about 2 million years of evolution a poof or magical. There was no instant gratification by creation.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#159361 Mar 10, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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"Atheist-bot" does not like the "fundies" :-)
Enjoy your use of the plural - "We've been telling the..."
Who is we?
You have a tapeworm perhaps?
No.

But I can think of a coupla atheists on here who've been doing it longer'n I have.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#159362 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.
You have to have faith in what you know is the truth of all things to base that non-belief on. Look around you. There is not a man-made device or organic creature that wasn't created by some process with a design that they assembled from.
Topix atheists can't wrap their heads around that.
Of course, they can just be confusing a belief in a creator in a man made organized view as the same as an absolute unknowable creative force that made their magical poof into existence possible. Perhaps they don't know what they believe in or not believe in.
They aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Nope, again.

Absent compelling evidence, there's no reason to believe in a deity.

See how easy?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159363 Mar 10, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, again.
Absent compelling evidence, there's no reason to believe in a deity.
See how easy?
Oh, yes, very easy.

Ostriches do the same thing.

Of course, looking around and seeing design, as in plans that are followed, EVERYWHERE in our existence is compelling evidence that there was no creation in our design, however remote it may be from direct view.

Yes, it truly takes the intelligence of a Topix atheist to comprehend such things.

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#159364 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have to have faith in your lack of belief to argue for it.
Your mother should have had you tested.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#159365 Mar 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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There is no magical or poof, that made our existence possible.
Unless you are calling about 2 million years of evolution a poof or magical. There was no instant gratification by creation.
Didn't say there was. Slow growth is more likely. Like from a seed.

Now, how did this VERY sudden existence, what, down to less than 10^-34 second, that you believe in occur? Wow, must have really startled the human scientists witnessing that.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#159366 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, yes, very easy.

Ostriches do the same thing.

Of course, looking around and seeing design, as in plans that are followed, EVERYWHERE in our existence is compelling evidence that there was no creation in our design, however remote it may be from direct view.

Yes, it truly takes the intelligence of a Topix atheist to comprehend such things.
What plans?

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#159367 Mar 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Oh, yes, very easy.
Ostriches do the same thing.
Of course, looking around and seeing design, as in plans that are followed, EVERYWHERE in our existence is compelling evidence that there was no creation in our design, however remote it may be from direct view.
Yes, it truly takes the intelligence of a Topix atheist to comprehend such things.
Yet again, no.

Although if you really are seeing all that, it's fair evidence of monomania.

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