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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235547 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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If the young man, all football lineman size accompanied by another man advanced on the policeman and possibly even pushed him back into the squad car, then the officer was definitely in fear of his life. It takes seconds for a raging bull to do some serious damage to the matador. Sword or no sword.
The young man had just exercised his physical superiority and will to break the law minutes before. His blood was up.
Let's wait for all the facts to come out, especially if there was physical injury to the officer.
I would have to agree that we don’t know all the facts including toxicology reports.

But on surface I don’t like the idea a unarmed young man lost his life because he was jaywalking.

This is going to be one of those interesting stories to follow. To be continued………………….

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235548 Aug 27, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
David you took the bait check this out
On Aug. 14 1862, Abraham Lincoln hosted a "Deputation of Free Negroes" at the White House, led by the Rev. Joseph Mitchell, commissioner of emigration for the Interior Department. It was the first time African Americans had been invited to the White House on a policy matter. The five men were there to discuss a scheme that even a contemporary described as a "simply absurd" piece of "charlatanism": resettling emancipated slaves on a 10,000-acre parcel of land in present-day Panama.
Lincoln immediately began filibustering his guests with arguments so audacious that they retain the ability to shock a reader 150 years later. "You and we are different races," he began, and "have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races."
The African-American race suffered greatly, he continued, "by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence."
Lincoln went on to suggest, "But for your race among us, there could not be war," and "without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence." The only solution, he concluded, was "for us both ... to be separated."
A valid argument can be made that if not for the assassination of Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, the slaves would be in Panama.
Google: Lincolns Panama Plan
Surprise surprise
We skeptics love this stuff
And, I noticed you commenting about the advance in Ferguson
One another eye-opener?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/...
Where is the outrage?
For that matter the media?
Disclaimer: All spelling errors made by Siri are deliberately left in for my amusement, they are forgiven, will go to paradise and receive 72 dictionaries.
?

Abolitionism started long before Lincoln. BTW, he was a politician. Sensitive guy to politics.

There is a certain disconnection issue with your logic and thought processes.

So, how is the view from your orbiting of Uranus? See anything of interest?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235549 Aug 27, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You reached your conclusion without the facts.
That's what an investigation is for. If Wilson is found from the evidence to have committed manslaughter, then I agree he should go to prison.
I also believe he deserves the right to present the evidence that favors his side of the story, and as yet we don't know what that evidence is.
There are plausible scenarios in which is is guilty of no criminal act. What is the extent of his injury? Was his vision impaired from the blood and the battered eye socket? Did Brown charge him before the shots were fired as multiple witnesses say?
We do need to let justice run its course and all the facts come to the surface.

My heart goes out to this family that lost their son.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235550 Aug 27, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would have to agree that we don’t know all the facts including toxicology reports.
But on surface I don’t like the idea a unarmed young man lost his life because he was jaywalking.
This is going to be one of those interesting stories to follow. To be continued………………….
A normal jaywalking young man just gets out of the street when a cop tells him to. No reason to argue about it.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235551 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Your desire to "rile up" is interesting. Perhaps you should discuss it with a shrink.
Sin can only be that which is destructive to a creature's integrity as a physical being, which also includes the environment it exists in. This can be done through ignorance or just because they want to be mean, such as wanting to rile people up, which in itself is ignorance. Selfishness falls in there somewhere, too.
Didn't they teach you that shit in guru school?
You are taking my posts too seriously.

No - I didn't even know there was a "guru school".....but thanks for thinking I attended one.

*shrugs*

"Sin can only be that which is destructive to a creature's integrity as a physical being, which also includes the environment it exists in."

New Age says:
If one were to dwell in sin, one will become that which they reside within.

So again - one has to participate in "sin" in order for it to be "tangible". I chose a long time ago to avoid crime, hate, and ignorance - so I decided to live a life in peace and kindness. "Sin" is symbolism brought into fear by men so others can be fearful.

Bullshite I tell you.

We choose what we do through free will - "sin" and/;or an "evil one" have nothing to do with it. People choose for themselves.....unless you think some god controls our actions. Do you?

If you do - I completely disagree with that thought, because no god has ever touched me, faced me head on, spoke to me, or even caused me to do something I didn't want to do on my own.

It's all a farce and so many people lie everyday on this topic alone. Are you one of those dishonest "Christians"?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235552 Aug 27, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
No I don't understand that. That's what you say, not Jesus.
24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying,“How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
Jesus answered,“I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
Where's the "one in spirit" part?
"The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,"
- confirms that Jesus is not "God".....but a separate entity.

"no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one."
- Jesus again clarifies he is not "God" - but has the same abilities as his "Father" (i.e."God")......thu s the same "spirit" is revealed as in use by Jesus.(this ability is an indicator of what type of being Jesus and "God" are - as "God" can snatch the supposed "spirit" and not flesh - because "no flesh can enter the kingdom of heaven")

I'm surprised at you RR - you should know this....as you do appear to have some knowledge based in religion. But you still question it. Why? I can tell you why - you refuse to believe in all of what Jesus taught.

If you had believed in all of his teachings, this topic would be old news for you.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235553 Aug 27, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
David you took the bait check this out
On Aug. 14 1862, Abraham Lincoln hosted a "Deputation of Free Negroes" at the White House, led by the Rev. Joseph Mitchell, commissioner of emigration for the Interior Department. It was the first time African Americans had been invited to the White House on a policy matter. The five men were there to discuss a scheme that even a contemporary described as a "simply absurd" piece of "charlatanism": resettling emancipated slaves on a 10,000-acre parcel of land in present-day Panama.
Lincoln immediately began filibustering his guests with arguments so audacious that they retain the ability to shock a reader 150 years later. "You and we are different races," he began, and "have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races."
The African-American race suffered greatly, he continued, "by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence."
Lincoln went on to suggest, "But for your race among us, there could not be war," and "without the institution of Slavery and the colored race as a basis, the war could not have an existence." The only solution, he concluded, was "for us both ... to be separated."
A valid argument can be made that if not for the assassination of Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth, the slaves would be in Panama.
Google: Lincolns Panama Plan
Surprise surprise
We skeptics love this stuff
And, I noticed you commenting about the advance in Ferguson
One another eye-opener?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/...
Where is the outrage?
For that matter the media?
Disclaimer: All spelling errors made by Siri are deliberately left in for my amusement, they are forgiven, will go to paradise and receive 72 dictionaries.
As far as this alleged meeting “Deputation of Free Negroes” is concerned. There are many qualified historians that are far more qualified to weigh in on this matter than little ole me.

But this I shall say, Abraham Lincoln was one of the most courageous presidents to have taken on the issue of slavery in the United States. So strong was his conviction it divided a entire nation. And as he so elegantly stated in the Gettysburg address:

“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.“

Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235554 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
A normal jaywalking young man just gets out of the street when a cop tells him to. No reason to argue about it.
True, but I think Waytt Earp would have handled it different. Probably cold cocked the kid when he wasn’t looking then drag him off the street.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235555 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
?
Abolitionism started long before Lincoln. BTW, he was a politician. Sensitive guy to politics.
There is a certain disconnection issue with your logic and thought processes.
So, how is the view from your orbiting of Uranus? See anything of interest?
Oh yeah, Andrew Johnson wasn't known as a big fan of black people. Uh, he took over Lincoln's spot.

The 13th amendment was passed before Lincoln died. The slaves were freed.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235556 Aug 27, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
You are taking my posts too seriously.
No - I didn't even know there was a "guru school".....but thanks for thinking I attended one.
*shrugs*
"Sin can only be that which is destructive to a creature's integrity as a physical being, which also includes the environment it exists in."
New Age says:
If one were to dwell in sin, one will become that which they reside within.
So again - one has to participate in "sin" in order for it to be "tangible". I chose a long time ago to avoid crime, hate, and ignorance - so I decided to live a life in peace and kindness. "Sin" is symbolism brought into fear by men so others can be fearful.
Bullshite I tell you.
We choose what we do through free will - "sin" and/;or an "evil one" have nothing to do with it. People choose for themselves.....unless you think some god controls our actions. Do you?
If you do - I completely disagree with that thought, because no god has ever touched me, faced me head on, spoke to me, or even caused me to do something I didn't want to do on my own.
It's all a farce and so many people lie everyday on this topic alone. Are you one of those dishonest "Christians"?
As a physical consciousness you are a slave to the environment you exist in. You react to it in order to survive. It has forces that shape your "decisions". That is hard core physics and evolution.

Do you disagree with that?

Tis a very large universe, and I suspect you can't really see what is headed your way in it.

Now, do you still believe you are in control of your destiny?
Patrick

United States

#235557 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yeah, Andrew Johnson wasn't known as a big fan of black people. Uh, he took over Lincoln's spot.
The 13th amendment was passed before Lincoln died. The slaves were freed.
Democrats claimed Lincoln was part black... echoes of today in there somewhere
Peace
Patrick

United States

#235558 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
?
Abolitionism started long before Lincoln. BTW, he was a politician. Sensitive guy to politics.
There is a certain disconnection issue with your logic and thought processes.
So, how is the view from your orbiting of Uranus? See anything of interest?
Abolitionist movement had Atheists,Unitarians and Christians united in the cause.
John Quincy Adams back in the House fought slavery
Peace
Patrick

United States

#235559 Aug 27, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
As far as this alleged meeting “Deputation of Free Negroes” is concerned. There are many qualified historians that are far more qualified to weigh in on this matter than little ole me.
But this I shall say, Abraham Lincoln was one of the most courageous presidents to have taken on the issue of slavery in the United States. So strong was his conviction it divided a entire nation. And as he so elegantly stated in the Gettysburg address:
“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.“
Abraham Lincoln
November 19, 1863
Agree - thanks for the post!
Peace

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235560 Aug 27, 2014
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
Abolitionist movement had Atheists,Unitarians and Christians united in the cause.
John Quincy Adams back in the House fought slavery
Peace
I have a suspicion it was the numbers and clout of the Christians that carried the day.
Patrick

United States

#235561 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I have a suspicion it was the numbers and clout of the Christians that carried the day.
The Abolitionists . American Experience . WGBH | PBS trends to back this up !
--

Tonight PBS will premier it's new installment of the great series, American Experience. "The Abolitionists" will be presented in five parts. From the PBS website:

"Radicals. Agitators. Troublemakers. Liberators. Called by many names, the abolitionists tore the nation apart in order to make a more perfect union. Men and women, black and white, Northerners and Southerners, poor and wealthy, these passionate anti-slavery activists fought body and soul in the most important civil rights crusade in American history. What began as a pacifist movement fueled by persuasion and prayer became a fiery and furious struggle that forever changed the nation.
Bringing to life the intertwined stories of Frederick Douglass, William Lloyd Garrison, Angelina Grimké, Harriet Beecher Stowe and John Brown, The Abolitionists takes place during some of the most violent and contentious decades in American history, amid white-hot religious passions that set souls on fire, and bitter debates over the meaning of the Constitution and the nature of race. The documentary reveals how the movement shaped history by exposing the fatal flaw of a republic founded on liberty for some and bondage for others, setting the nation on a collision course. In the face of personal risks -- beatings, imprisonment, even death -- abolitionists held fast to their cause, laying the civil rights groundwork for the future and raising weighty constitutional and moral questions that are with us still."
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/fi...

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#235562 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess I missed the quote you posted where he killed it.
Could you direct me to it?
I did just read that figs are best cultivated by grafting and such. The seeds don't breed true, but can be used to start new cultivars. I think female fig trees are the ones you eat the fruit of?
You're being disingenuous.

It's in Matt's version of the same story, starting at 21:19.(Luke and John seem to have had urgent business in the South...)

"Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered."

And figs managed to propagate themselves just fine without grafting for maybe 80 million years. Of COURSE seed from grafted plants won't breed true! Ever tried to grow an edible orange from a pip?
Believer

United States

#235563 Aug 27, 2014
In the beginning ,God , created the heavens and the earth !!!!
Now I know I am not the best speller in the world and get ridiculed for that sometimes !!!
But let's understand the bigger picture!
We've hard hard you can't get something from nothing !
Atheists claim this is the case and ridicule believers with faith that their is in fact God!!

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235564 Aug 27, 2014
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Churc...

Someone find me another anti-slavery movement from history that went beyond geo-political boundaries.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#235565 Aug 27, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>You're being disingenuous.
It's in Matt's version of the same story, starting at 21:19.(Luke and John seem to have had urgent business in the South...)
"Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, "May you never bear fruit again!" Immediately the tree withered."
And figs managed to propagate themselves just fine without grafting for maybe 80 million years. Of COURSE seed from grafted plants won't breed true! Ever tried to grow an edible orange from a pip?
So, he had the power to wither a tree with a word. Is that what you are saying?

Impressive.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235566 Aug 27, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
As a physical consciousness you are a slave to the environment you exist in. You react to it in order to survive. It has forces that shape your "decisions". That is hard core physics and evolution.
Do you disagree with that?
Yes - some of it.

I am not a slave to the environment, because I can change my environment. But you'll probably be like Buck and start to state "it is still an environment".

Blah-blah-blah. That would be his perception.....limited one at best.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Tis a very large universe, and I suspect you can't really see what is headed your way in it.
Sure I can. I am psychic. In fact - there has been many times that I've stated something - EXACTLY as someone was thinking of it, but had yet said it.

I also seem to have this ability to win at different things - contests, games, and daily tasks that seem to be futile.

;o)

Yep - I must have an ability that others don't have.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Now, do you still believe you are in control of your destiny?
Yep.

Can you prove I am not?

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