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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235304 Aug 25, 2014
Stilgar Fifrawi wrote:
<quoted text>
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Amen!
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235305 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmmm....lots of "John" calling Jesus "God".....and so forth.
You've already admitted that Jesus never called himself "God", but now you still are trying to prove the opposite.
Odd.
Why do you read more into these passages than what the original author probably intended?
Please post where "God" specifically states which texts are of "His inspiration" and which are not, in order for us to justify what is "of God" and what is not. This way, we can be completely sure that "John" was one of the texts "God" inspired.
You can do this, right?
Use your COMPLETE honesty when making your next post, okay?
Thanks!
You didn't read my post so why should I read and answer yours? If you had read the post you wouldn't be asking the same question.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235306 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
RR - we've gone over this n the past multiple times. "John" is not Jesus.
We already know that anyone can claim Jesus as "God", but there is no evidence to support the claim.
Unless you have something that hasn't been conveyed yet. Do you?
I can see why you use a third party source - because that is all you have to offer.
Honesty RR - honesty.....you aren't exhibiting it here.
You are willfully refusing to comprehend whatís being posted. That shows in itself that you have no argument so instead you throw up a resistance based on stubbornness. Your boat is full of holes and you are sinking.
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235307 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Where in this passage does Jesus call himself "God"?
Please stop- you aren't helping anyone, including yourself.
Please be kind to the poor eaglet...

Don't deflate any more eagle12 balloons with this information.

Meeting for the first time in March 1985, the Jesus Seminar has periodically
brought together dozens of university scholars and gospel specialists
representing every shade of Christian thought, plus a few Jews and atheists.

In their initial study, the scholars collected more than 1500 versions of
approximately 500 Jesus parables, aphorisms, dialogues, and stories written
during the first 300 years of Christianity.

After 6 years of debate and reflection the consensus was that 82% of the
words attributed to Jesus were fake.

In phase two, between 1991 and 1996, the Jesus Seminar considered 387
versions of 176 'Jesus events'. Their conclusion: 84% of the activities
attributed to Jesus were bogus.

In contrast, Caesar's words and deeds are fully documented by multiple
witnesses.

Disclaimer: All spelling errors made by Siri are forgiven, go to paradise and receive 72 dictionaries.
Young person

United States

#235308 Aug 25, 2014
I shall not argue with anyone because they are wrong !
Thou shall not judge !
Life is not a result of the Big Bang theory !
That's a tv sitcom !

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235309 Aug 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Exodus 33:18-23 (NASB)
18 Then Moses said, "I pray You, show me Your glory!"
19 And He said, "I Myself will make all My goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of the LORD before you; and I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show compassion on whom I will show compassion."
20 But He said, "You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"
21 Then the LORD said, "Behold, there is a place by Me, and you shall stand there on the rock;
22 and it will come about, while My glory is passing by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock and cover you with My hand until I have passed by.
23 "Then I will take My hand away and you shall see My back, but My face shall not be seen."
Note;
-Seeing God was a life-threatening danger.
-God used three forms of protection for the radiation;
Behind a rock
Shielded with His hand
Only allowed a partial view (back)
Exodus 34:29-35 (NASB)
29 It came about when Moses was coming down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the testimony were in Moses' hand as he was coming down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because of his speaking with Him.
30 So when Aaron and all the sons of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone, and they were afraid to come near him.
31 Then Moses called to them, and Aaron and all the rulers in the congregation returned to him; and Moses spoke to them.
32 Afterward all the sons of Israel came near, and he commanded them to do everything that the LORD had spoken to him on Mount Sinai.
33 When Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.
34 But whenever Moses went in before the LORD to speak with Him, he would take off the veil until he came out; and whenever he came out and spoke to the sons of Israel what he had been commanded,
35 the sons of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone. So Moses would replace the veil over his face until he went in to speak with Him.
Note; The effect of radiation.
Please explain how a accurate description of radiation's danger, affect and protection appeared in a story about a Alien visiting humans in a fiction book written by numerous authors, distorted by time and translation occurred.
Smile.
So - KM....just so I understand your position from this point forth.....symbolism in this holy book is a valid explanation. Thus....when one is to read what the early Sumerians placed in cuneiform on tablets, in symbolism - the meaning is actually true?

If so, then you've just proven many theories of ancient astronauts coming to Earth and - first"creating" men, and then "destroying" men.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/sum/sum06.htm

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235310 Aug 25, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't read my post so why should I read and answer yours? If you had read the post you wouldn't be asking the same question.
Oh - I read your post - you think men can make a truthful statement about someone who they never met, but still use texts and stories about this man, that seems to give them exclusive inspiration from "God'" and the ability to discern incomplete information, in order to make you believe in a certain belief and direction. You put it as....."Jesus is God - I have plenty of passages by men to prove it!"
- Really? Do you think I was born yesterday? Your excitement is textual criticism nightmare.
- Please post where "God" specifically states which texts are of "His" inspiration and which are not.

As for your premise - I disagreed and I still disagree. I've shown you evidence that supports my position in a much stronger way than any of which you put out here - but all you do is admonish a post of mine that you won't accept.

Yeah - I gotcha Eagle - you are afraid to believe in all of what Jesus taught, yet come on an Atheistic forum to only think - "If I speak about Jesus - I'm sure to change someone!" You are way over-zealous if you think you are right in any manner.

You are one of many. Your ilk is why our planet is so scared of progression - but think 'sacred' is more important, even when you don't believe in the complete person you worship.

Cheers!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235311 Aug 25, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are willfully refusing to comprehend whatís being posted. That shows in itself that you have no argument so instead you throw up a resistance based on stubbornness. Your boat is full of holes and you are sinking.
Actually not. In fact - I am hitting it straight on the head - as they say.....just to see how honest you are. ANd I can tell - you don't like to be honest with me or yourself......bummer.

Since I've been very open in my thoughts - you aren't really one to speak on this topic.

Please show me where I've been stubborn and resistance to answer. I think you are running out of straws to reach out after.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#235312 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Where in this passage does Jesus call himself "God"?
Please stop- you aren't helping anyone, including yourself.
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Please be kind to the poor eaglet...
Don't deflate any more eagle12 balloons with this information.
Meeting for the first time in March 1985, the Jesus Seminar has periodically
brought together dozens of university scholars and gospel specialists
representing every shade of Christian thought, plus a few Jews and atheists.
In their initial study, the scholars collected more than 1500 versions of
approximately 500 Jesus parables, aphorisms, dialogues, and stories written
during the first 300 years of Christianity.
After 6 years of debate and reflection the consensus was that 82% of the
words attributed to Jesus were fake.
In phase two, between 1991 and 1996, the Jesus Seminar considered 387
versions of 176 'Jesus events'. Their conclusion: 84% of the activities
attributed to Jesus were bogus.
In contrast, Caesar's words and deeds are fully documented by multiple
witnesses.
Disclaimer: All spelling errors made by Siri are forgiven, go to paradise and receive 72 dictionaries.
:o)

Just trying to straighten out those damaged halos - one at a time.....*smiles*.....

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#235313 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
So - KM....just so I understand your position from this point forth.....symbolism in this holy book is a valid explanation. Thus....when one is to read what the early Sumerians placed in cuneiform on tablets, in symbolism - the meaning is actually true?
If so, then you've just proven many theories of ancient astronauts coming to Earth and - first"creating" men, and then "destroying" men.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/sum/sum06.htm
I'm not relating this passage to any other writing. I'm asking for an explanation for how this and several other descriptions at this time occurred that we can only understand at this time.

You may want to plan on explaining the cloud by day and fire by night floating over the tribe.

Oh, and don't forget the fulfilled promise of the Alien that we observe in the Jews this very day.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#235314 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Where in this passage does Jesus call himself "God"?
Please stop- you aren't helping anyone, including yourself.
<quoted text>
:o)
Just trying to straighten out those damaged halos - one at a time.....*smiles*.....
Well, lets see if you can follow.
1. Mankind was made in the image of God.
2. Christians are even called the children of God
3. Jesus accepted being called the only begotten Son of God.
Like Father like Son.
"When you've seen me, you've seen the Father."
Smile.
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235315 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Where in this passage does Jesus call himself "God"?
Please stop- you aren't helping anyone, including yourself.
<quoted text>
:o)
Just trying to straighten out those damaged halos - one at a time.....*smiles*.....
Good luck with that!

It is unfortunate that theists are scientifically illiterate.

The World is fortunate that only 7% of scientists are this illiterate.

The more education a person has the less religiosity. I don't say this to be demeaning to theists only I think they do not understand science.

Science questions everything, it experiments, it relies on accurate results, science is never satisfied. Investigation not revelation.

I will admit that it is possible for some people to be born with their brain 'hardwired' for a God... and logic/reason cannot, will not sway them. I imagine they yearn for immortality.

N'est pas

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#235316 Aug 25, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Isaiah 9: 7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus Christ the son of God was and is the great I Am, the King of Kings, Lord of Lords and God of all Gods, the mighty God. God manifested in the flesh.
Amen
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235317 Aug 25, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, lets see if you can follow.
1. Mankind was made in the image of God.
2. Christians are even called the children of God
3. Jesus accepted being called the only begotten Son of God.
Like Father like Son.
"When you've seen me, you've seen the Father."
Smile.
1. Not mankind... Remember Adam's rib?
"go forth and multiply" w/Eve

2. If thou art not Catholic thou art not a true Christian. The holy Catholic Church created Christianity and wrote the Bible. They refused to except the Old Testament handed down to the choose.

3. Jesus/God was also fond mooning.
And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.--Exodus 33:23
Is this the world's first official full moon?

Disclaimer: All spelling errors made by Siri are forgiven, go to paradise and receive 72 dictionaries.

Grins
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235318 Aug 25, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Please be kind to the poor eaglet...
Don't deflate any more eagle12 balloons with this information.
Meeting for the first time in March 1985, the Jesus Seminar has periodically
brought together dozens of university scholars and gospel specialists
representing every shade of Christian thought, plus a few Jews and atheists.
In their initial study, the scholars collected more than 1500 versions of
approximately 500 Jesus parables, aphorisms, dialogues, and stories written
during the first 300 years of Christianity.
After 6 years of debate and reflection the consensus was that 82% of the
words attributed to Jesus were fake.
In phase two, between 1991 and 1996, the Jesus Seminar considered 387
versions of 176 'Jesus events'. Their conclusion: 84% of the activities
attributed to Jesus were bogus.
In contrast, Caesar's words and deeds are fully documented by multiple
witnesses.
Disclaimer: All spelling errors made by Siri are forgiven, go to paradise and receive 72 dictionaries.
The Jesus Seminar has come under criticism regarding its method, assumptions and conclusions from a wide array of scholars and laymen. Scholars who have expressed concerns with the work of the Jesus Seminar include Richard Hays, Ben Witherington, Greg Boyd, N.T. Wright, William Lane Craig, Luke Timothy Johnson, Craig A. Evans, Craig, Blomberg, Darrell Bock, and Edwin Yamauchi.

The specific criticisms leveled against the Jesus Seminar are:

Divorcing Jesus from his cultural context and followers

Use of a flawed voting system

Ignoring evidence for eschatological teachings of Jesus

Creating a Jesus based on the presuppositions of the members

Luke Timothy Johnson argued that while some members of the seminar are reputable scholars (Borg, Crossan, Funk, others), others are relatively unknown or undistinguished in the field of biblical studies.

One member, Paul Verhoeven, holds no Ph.D. but a M.Sc. in mathematics and physics, not biblical studies, and is best known as a film director. Johnson also critiqued the seminar for its attempts to gain the attention of the media for the 2000 ABC News program "The Search for Jesus" hosted by news anchor Peter Jennings.

Seminar critic William Lane Craig has argued that the self-selected members of the group do not represent the consensus of New Testament scholars.

He writes:

Of the 74 listed in their publication The Five Gospels, only 14 would be leading figures in the field of New Testament studies. More than half are basically unknowns, who have published only two or three articles. Eighteen of the fellows have published nothing at all in New Testament studies. Most have relatively undistinguished academic positions, for example, teaching at a community college.

According to Greg Boyd, a prominent evangelical pastor and theologian:
The Jesus Seminar represents an extremely small number of radical-fringe scholars who are on the far, far left wing of New Testament thinking. It does not represent mainstream scholarship.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Seminar
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235319 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
RR - we've gone over this n the past multiple times. "John" is not Jesus.
We already know that anyone can claim Jesus as "God", but there is no evidence to support the claim.
Unless you have something that hasn't been conveyed yet. Do you?
I can see why you use a third party source - because that is all you have to offer.
Honesty RR - honesty.....you aren't exhibiting it here.
Just about all of us end up in a courtroom at some point and time. You will notice there is a person thatís an assigned ďCourt Reporter.Ē

Now Court Reporters donít record what they themselves say but what others say. What they record is a part of the official record court document. The authors of the New Testament recorded what Jesus said.

Your logic canít be applied to the real world nor can it be applied in Jesus time. I think you need to contact the entire United States Judicial system and tell them unless the person testifying personally records their own testimony it is invalid in your opinion. And be sure to tell them only your opinion counts because you are an authoritative genius. Let us know how it turns out for you.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235320 Aug 25, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually not. In fact - I am hitting it straight on the head - as they say.....just to see how honest you are. ANd I can tell - you don't like to be honest with me or yourself......bummer.
Since I've been very open in my thoughts - you aren't really one to speak on this topic.
Please show me where I've been stubborn and resistance to answer. I think you are running out of straws to reach out after.
Do Court Reporters record just what they say or do they record what others say?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#235321 Aug 25, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Good luck with that!
It is unfortunate that theists are scientifically illiterate.
The World is fortunate that only 7% of scientists are this illiterate.
The more education a person has the less religiosity. I don't say this to be demeaning to theists only I think they do not understand science.
Science questions everything, it experiments, it relies on accurate results, science is never satisfied. Investigation not revelation.
I will admit that it is possible for some people to be born with their brain 'hardwired' for a God... and logic/reason cannot, will not sway them. I imagine they yearn for immortality.
N'est pas
Elitism is a lot like body odor, it stinks. Thereís nothing like a person who thinks more highly of himself than the rest of society.
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235322 Aug 25, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Jesus Seminar has come under criticism regarding its method, assumptions and conclusions from a wide array of scholars and laymen. Scholars who have expressed concerns with the work of the Jesus Seminar include Richard Hays, Ben Witherington, Greg Boyd, N.T. Wright, William Lane Craig, Luke Timothy Johnson, Craig A. Evans, Craig, Blomberg, Darrell Bock, and Edwin Yamauchi.
The specific criticisms leveled against the Jesus Seminar are:
Divorcing Jesus from his cultural context and followers
.
According to Greg Boyd, a prominent evangelical pastor and theologian:
The Jesus Seminar represents an extremely small number of radical-fringe scholars who are on the far, far left wing of New Testament thinking. It does not represent mainstream scholarship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Seminar
Nice try I will give you that :-/

Unfortunately for you... the presence of observable and falsifiable scientific evidence is perhaps the most compelling reason we can conclude that the Bible is not inerrant.

This evidence clearly yields certain conclusions that are contradicted by direct statements from biblical authors.

Thus thy Bible is an imperfect book containing flaws of human origin.

Due to the overwhelming amount of scientific errors the book possesses, you should conclude that there was no divine inspiration or intervention involved during its creation.

Additionally, the vast categories of errors contained in the Bible demonstrate that the mistakes are not confined to a single author or field of study, this alone should question the foundation and intent of the book as a whole.

The "Word of God", far from being inerrant, has always been a work in progress.
CunningLinguist

Umatilla, FL

#235323 Aug 25, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Elitism is a lot like body odor, it stinks. Thereís nothing like a person who thinks more highly of himself than the rest of society.
That's religion you're smelling, eaglet.

It stinks - A steaming pile of Shiite.

You are scientifically uneducated by personal choice.

You gleefully reject modern science in favor of dogma, what are you afraid of?

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