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# Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#233268 Jul 22, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Which just so happens to be a closed loop of finite dimensions. You got dizzy running in circles.
Oh I'm not dizzy, you're dizzy in denial this symbol exists and it represents a sum that is infinite.

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#233269 Jul 22, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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I see.
So you take a series of finite measurements and "add them up".
And get infinite.
Adding finites always gives you a larger finite. Always. By definition.
And you don't see a problem with your suggestion.
Amazing.
According to physics,In fact, its volume began near zero. In fact, its volume began near zero.
Then expanded.
You need to tell us how A x B = Infinite, where "A" is the average rate of expansion and "B" is elapsed time.
It's a mystery why you don't do that.
You must enjoy making sht up , because this isn't what I wrote.
And adding to infinite doesn't make it more infinite

"In fact, its volume began near zero.In fact, its volume began near zero."

WRONG!
According to physics the universe began as an infinitesimal.

infinitesimal =
1. infinitely or immeasurably small .

There goes your favorite word again. hahahah!

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#233270 Jul 22, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You are a class A nut, quite simply infinity + a + b + d + e = infinity
infinity + A x B = infinity. You will never get a or b to equal infinity , but infinity + any set of numerical addition will always equal infinity.
That's convenient.

"Consequently, the universe was denser and hotter in the past. Moreover, the Big Bang model suggests that at some moment all matter in the universe was contained in a single point, which is considered the beginning of the universe. Modern measurements place this moment at approximately 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe.[2] After the initial expansion, the universe cooled sufficiently to allow the formation of subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#233271 Jul 22, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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I see.
So you take a series of finite measurements and "add them up".
And get infinite.
Adding finites always gives you a larger finite. Always. By definition.
And you don't see a problem with your suggestion.
Amazing.
According to physics, the universe did not begin infinite. In fact, its volume began near zero.
Then expanded.
You need to tell us how A x B = Infinite, where "A" is the average rate of expansion and "B" is elapsed time.
It's a mystery why you don't do that.
Time for your Big Bang and physics lesson of the day.

According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.- See more at: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/#sthash.UJ63H8...

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#233272 Jul 22, 2014
When infinitesimals grow up, they become infinitly large. lol

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#233273 Jul 22, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You must enjoy making sht up , because this isn't what I wrote.
And adding to infinite doesn't make it more infinite
"In fact, its volume began near zero.In fact, its volume began near zero."
WRONG!
According to physics the universe began as an infinitesimal.
infinitesimal =
1. infinitely or immeasurably small .
There goes your favorite word again. hahahah!
That's even better!!!!

The universe began infinitely small, and became infinitely large!!!

After you claimed it started infinite in extent. But now it's extremely small - "infintesimal", in extent.

Here's a flash for you.

Infinitely small cannot be infinitely large.

Pick one.

You have to pick the small version, because that's what your physics says.

And now you are back to your next impossible problem - explaining how something expands from very small to infinite.

You can do this by solving A x B = Infinity, where "A" is the average rate of expansion, and "B" is elapsed time.

The world is waiting.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233274 Jul 22, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Oh I'm not dizzy, you're dizzy in denial this symbol exists and it represents a sum that is infinite.
Symbol?

Look for the exit sign from la la land. Will aid you in your quest for knowledge.

Here is something symbolic for you.

As you gaze out upon the infinite, it will become finite after you take the first step. You created a measure. Just keep walking.

Confucius said something like that, too.

You will never get to your destination, but you will see plenty of scenery along the way. Enjoy.

Watch out for tar babies along the way. Don't get in any arguments with them.

Buck Crick

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#233275 Jul 22, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Time for your Big Bang and physics lesson of the day.
According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.- See more at: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/#sthash.UJ63H8...
OK. I will let you misuse the term "infinitely" to say the universe began....very small.

This refutes your claim that it started infinite in extent, which you made up in order to escape the impossibility of expanding to an infinite distance.

So now. The universe was very, very small. How did it get to an infinite extent by addition?

We know this is impossible.

You attempted to obfuscate the difficulty by saying it "began infinite".

But the alleged infinte was in DENSITY, not EXTENT or VOLUME.

So you are back to the need to explain A x B = Infinity, where "A" is average rate of expansion, and "B" is elapsed time.

I'll give you "B". It's 13.8 billion years.

You just need to tell us "A" - the rate of expansion required to reach infinite distance in 13.8 billion years.

I made it really simple for you.

Now cough up the number.

Buck Crick

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#233276 Jul 22, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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You must enjoy making sht up , because this isn't what I wrote.
And adding to infinite doesn't make it more infinite
"In fact, its volume began near zero.In fact, its volume began near zero."
WRONG!
According to physics the universe began as an infinitesimal.
infinitesimal =
1. infinitely or immeasurably small .
There goes your favorite word again. hahahah!
"immeasurably small" means near zero.

"Infinitely small" is an absurdity. Chop it in half, what is it then?

Half as large, but the same size.

Don't try to bull shit me.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233277 Jul 22, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's convenient.
"Consequently, the universe was denser and hotter in the past. Moreover, the Big Bang model suggests that at some moment all matter in the universe was contained in a single point, which is considered the beginning of the universe. Modern measurements place this moment at approximately 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe.[2] After the initial expansion, the universe cooled sufficiently to allow the formation of subatomic particles, including protons, neutrons, and electrons."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
Amusing how that heat thing is so ignored and used just for math calculations. And incorrectly at that.

Heat is derived from resistance to motion. It can only be transferred via packets of matter. Via conduction or as bullets of energy called light.

Buck Crick

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#233278 Jul 22, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Symbol?
Look for the exit sign from la la land. Will aid you in your quest for knowledge.
Here is something symbolic for you.
As you gaze out upon the infinite, it will become finite after you take the first step. You created a measure. Just keep walking.
Confucius said something like that, too.
You will never get to your destination, but you will see plenty of scenery along the way. Enjoy.
Watch out for tar babies along the way. Don't get in any arguments with them.
Right again, Dave.

Something infinite would be infinite in all its parts - one step toward the horizon of an infinite universe would be an infinite distance.

Here is a useful definition that helps elucidate the concept of infinity. I'd give it to Aura, but he would not understand.

Physicists and math heads get confused on this.

Abstraction; n.:

"the act of considering something in terms of general qualities, apart from concrete realities, specific objects, or actual instances"

i.e., infinite distance, infinite density, infinite sums of money....

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#233279 Jul 22, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Time for your Big Bang and physics lesson of the day.
According to the standard theory, our universe sprang into existence as "singularity" around 13.7 billion years ago. What is a "singularity" and where does it come from? Well, to be honest, we don't know for sure. Singularities are zones which defy our current understanding of physics. They are thought to exist at the core of "black holes." Black holes are areas of intense gravitational pressure. The pressure is thought to be so intense that finite matter is actually squished into infinite density (a mathematical concept which truly boggles the mind). These zones of infinite density are called "singularities." Our universe is thought to have begun as an infinitesimally small, infinitely hot, infinitely dense, something - a singularity. Where did it come from? We don't know. Why did it appear? We don't know.- See more at: http://www.big-bang-theory.com/#sthash.UJ63H8...
Your citation says that infinity is a "mathematical concept".

And you thought it helped your case.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#233280 Jul 22, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Amusing how that heat thing is so ignored and used just for math calculations. And incorrectly at that.
Heat is derived from resistance to motion. It can only be transferred via packets of matter. Via conduction or as bullets of energy called light.
Like someone infinitely powerful squeezed it so tight in his fist it exploded.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233281 Jul 22, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Right again, Dave.
Something infinite would be infinite in all its parts - one step toward the horizon of an infinite universe would be an infinite distance.
Here is a useful definition that helps elucidate the concept of infinity. I'd give it to Aura, but he would not understand.
Physicists and math heads get confused on this.
Abstraction; n.:
"the act of considering something in terms of general qualities, apart from concrete realities, specific objects, or actual instances"
i.e., infinite distance, infinite density, infinite sums of money....
The worship of their numbers blinds math heads to physical realities.

That has been happening since time immemorial.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233282 Jul 22, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Like someone infinitely powerful squeezed it so tight in his fist it exploded.
I lean more to a current being ran through it that broke its bonds, such as a drop of water getting vaporized by a heavy dose of EM. Or as a planted seed.

All within a container.

Believe or not, there are some old religious mystic traditions that point to something like that.

Since: Sep 08

United States

#233283 Jul 22, 2014
There is a msjor fallacy in modern cosmology that can easily be disproven by math and modern physics. The creation of stars just from gravity.

Once you had space created you had room to expand. The negative charge about the newly formed atoms would never let gravity alone ignite the mass into fission or fusion. You would just have an ever expanding globe of gas seeking equilibrium. That gloular shape is caused by that seeking equilibrium. But the gravity does compact and create a sort of anvil for an external force of sufficient speed and mass, or wave of energy, to start the process. Inertia locks it down so atoms can start to be split, which then detonates the surrounding area.
Richardfs

Merrylands, Australia

#233284 Jul 22, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Amusing how that heat thing is so ignored and used just for math calculations. And incorrectly at that.
Heat is derived from resistance to motion. It can only be transferred via packets of matter. Via conduction or as bullets of energy called light.
LOL

How do you explain:-

e=mc^2

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#233285 Jul 22, 2014
"infinite density"

Dave and Butt Cracks' brains.

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#233286 Jul 22, 2014
Richardfs wrote:
"infinite density"
Dave and Butt Cracks' brains.
Always good to hear from Paranoia, Australia.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

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#233287 Jul 22, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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He finds the nationalism behind it appalling and is quick to point out that the only reason I am rooting for USA and the other guy is rooting for Germany is because we were born there.
The above is exactly why you are a Christian and not any other religion. Because you were born in a Christian nation.

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