Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#232672 Jul 15, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
This church and state thing has been on my mind so here it is...
The intent behind it is to avoid religious persecution. It was written in a time that many people could look back a couple of generations at a time when the Roman Catholics or other churches with a lot of power were persecuting people who did not subscribe to their brand. It was a big reason for the influx of many colonists to this great nation.
(On a side tangent I'd like to add that if I were living in western Europe in those times I would also be a heretic, and subject to being persecuted based on my protestantism. So, in a way, my people have also been victims of the atrocities of Christianity, though you won't hear me bringing it up in a way to denigrate Catholicism.)
Now, atheists are bringing it up in a big way, why? Because our federal government endorses Christianity. No specific brand of it, but Christianity nonetheless. They don't go any further than the endorsement. They don't require you worship it, or that you follow a specific sect. But the intent behind the argument of separation is to weaken Christianity, thereby promoting their own religion, that there is no God. Which is an agenda that is religiously motivated.
The intent was to prohibit federal involvement.

Jefferson: "It must then be left to the states".
Patrick

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#232673 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Courts are not allowed to rewrite the Constitution.
With the First Amendment cases, they rewrote it anyway.
They took an establishment clause which was ratified to prohibit federal interference with matters of religion and now use it as a requirement for interfering with matters of religion.
The rewrote it to mean the opposite of the text.
"Courts are not allowed to rewrite the Constitution."
Marbury v. Madison -1803 - case in which the Court formed the basis for the exercise of judicial review i under Article III of the Constitution.

You many not agree with the decisions albeit judicial review seems established. Decisions favored some groups in the 1960s and other now.
Peace

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#232674 Jul 15, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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"Courts are not allowed to rewrite the Constitution."
Marbury v. Madison -1803 - case in which the Court formed the basis for the exercise of judicial review i under Article III of the Constitution.
You many not agree with the decisions albeit judicial review seems established. Decisions favored some groups in the 1960s and other now.
Peace
Judicial review is not "rewriting the Constitution".

Justices are still confined to the document, as written and amended.

In fact, they take an oath swearing to adhere to it.

Most of them lied, of course. At least the liberals did.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

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#232675 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Mom and Dad said I was born weighing 18 pounds and with a thick coat of fur, clutching my sizable penis.
I don't remember.
They should have taken a photo.

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#232676 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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The State of Alabama put me in prison for 12 years.
I wish I had known they were only an imagined entity.
You didn't really get what I wrote, hey?

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#232677 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Unless I'm missing something, the "a" is still on.("atheism")
"atheos" is the root word, not "theos", or else there would be no word "atheos".
You're missing something.

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#232678 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's my point. If it is not there, it is not there, so it is not a physical infinite.
If we want an imaginary target to call "infinite", that's fine.
That's the only legitimate use of "infinite" - an imaginary quantity.
"The infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite is solely that of an idea."
-David Hilbert
Keyword: "idea"
I didn't say "imaginary" but "some thing."

How come you don't have any recent mathematicians to quote?

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#232679 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Wrong.
If something is expanding, it cannot be infinite.
It can if it has always been expanding.

Additionally, Polymath already explained to you all the cases of infinity. Uhm...I don't remember any of them, but so there!

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#232680 Jul 15, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Explain how NOTHING, magically expanded. Radiation can't come from nothing, there can be no temperature since there is nothing to cause it
NOTHING CREATES NOTHING, that is a fact.
Materialists will contort themselves into pretzels to avoid causation of the universe.

But they cannot.

That's why they like to pretend infinity exists. No beginning - no cause.

It's comical.

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#232681 Jul 15, 2014
number four wrote:
<quoted text>..It was a stupid question ...
But , if " Atheism " means ..believing in ' natural selection '..then , nobody is born Atheist ; either ..
One..Two ..Three..." SCISSORS "...!!!
...says ...babies are born Christian .....
I didn't actually make the claim that babies are born atheist. They're born with brains that are confused, ready for learning and not much else.

:)

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#232682 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Judicial review is not "rewriting the Constitution".
Justices are still confined to the document, as written and amended.
In fact, they take an oath swearing to adhere to it.
Most of them lied, of course. At least the liberals did.
What??? What do you mean...liberals lie?

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#232683 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Materialists will contort themselves into pretzels to avoid causation of the universe.
But they cannot.
That's why they like to pretend infinity exists. No beginning - no cause.
It's comical.
People who believe in dualism will perform endless mental gymnastics to believe in creators that entirely lack evidence.

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#232684 Jul 15, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I didn't say "imaginary" but "some thing."
How come you don't have any recent mathematicians to quote?
No "thing" has infinite magnitude.

Not distance, volume, speed, or any other magnitude.

The universe cannot be infinite in any magnitude.

I wish physicists would not kid themselves and us.

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#232685 Jul 15, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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What??? What do you mean...liberals lie?
Pardon me. I know saying liberals lie is redundant.

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#232686 Jul 15, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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People who believe in dualism will perform endless mental gymnastics to believe in creators that entirely lack evidence.
I think there is evidence of a creator.

It's not the creator described in any of the Abrahamic religions.

But I think an objective inquirer could conclude there is a creator. Some would conclude there is not.

There is evidence for both sides of the argument.

I am closer to the atheist view than the Christian view. I don't believe in a personal, interventionist God. But I believe there is something behind the curtain.

I told IANS once that I thought being an atheist is more rational than being a Christian.

I don't think he appreciated the degree of humility the statement required, given my background.

“let's do this thang!”

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#232687 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Pardon me. I know saying liberals lie is redundant.
saying a liberal doesn't lie is like saying Elton John isn't gay

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#232688 Jul 15, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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It can if it has always been expanding.
Additionally, Polymath already explained to you all the cases of infinity. Uhm...I don't remember any of them, but so there!
"always been expanding"??

You mean infinite time in the past?

We could have never reached the present. Can't traverse infinite time.

Polymath's offerings were soundly defeated, folded, spindled, and spoliated.

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#232690 Jul 15, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I didn't actually make the claim that babies are born atheist. They're born with brains that are confused, ready for learning and not much else.
:)
Someone else said it. Black Sheep I think.

I think babies are born Buddhist - "one with everything".

Oceanic Consciousness of the newborn- Freud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_feeling

Since: Sep 10

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#232691 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
There are no atheists left on this thread who can debate.
Just idiots and liars.
I'm getting bored.
Does anyone know of a thread where there are intelligent atheists?
Let me know.
Prove There's a God thread.

Where the big boys and girls are.

Since: Sep 10

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#232692 Jul 15, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Courts are not allowed to rewrite the Constitution.
With the First Amendment cases, they rewrote it anyway.
They took an establishment clause which was ratified to prohibit federal interference with matters of religion and now use it as a requirement for interfering with matters of religion.
The rewrote it to mean the opposite of the text.
That's our Buck.

Often wrong, but never in doubt.

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