Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#232342 Jul 11, 2014
Godspeakinginmydreamslol wrote:
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Can´t really put it in simpler terms than I already did for you. God is in your head. Atheism just means that we don´t believe the things we dream in our mind are actually existing in our universe. How hard is it to get that? I prove you god exists, when you prove me the dreams of an insane person too ok? Hope that was clear enough.
Right, sure, there’s no God because you say so,[rolling eyes].

Atheism is all in your head.

By the way, your freedom was purchased by thousands who did believe in God. There’s 125,000 Judeo/Christian United States American graves throughout Europe. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands casualties we took on for Europe..

Since then we have protected Europe with our military. I think it’s high time we leave you Europeans to stand up and defend for yourself against tyranny. Let Russia gobble all they want. Because sacrifices our Judeo/Christian soldiers means nothing to you.

If it was up to me I would dig up everyone of our dead military service members in Europe and bring them home to the United States. Then unlock the gate and wave the Russians in to Europe. In fact the Russians are already in Europe.

I personally don’t think Europe is worth defending. It’s a cold and godless continent. Let the cold and godless atheist defend it. I’m tired of seeing our resources being spent only to watch the arrogant and godless Europeans thumb their noses at our dead service members.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#232343 Jul 11, 2014
Godspeakinginmydreamslol wrote:
Look up scientific experiments, where religious people were invited in to pray while their brain activity gets monitored. While they pray they have increased activity especially in the parts that are responsible for imagination.
Religion is still part of our lives because some people have trouble letting go and are too comfortable in their beliefs. It´s not thanks to religion we went to the moon. Why didn´t god mention that, or the bible?
You have the proof that the earth is way older than religion says it is. You know it was made up. How hard is it to accept that the rest is made up too?
And that day is coming my friend.

We will leave NATO and you will have to stand and fight for your freedom.

We are not going to be there to fight your fight and do your dying for you.

Let Europe fold like a house of cards. Because I do not care.
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232344 Jul 11, 2014
number four wrote:
<quoted text>" if man lays with another man , as if he is ' with ' a woman , is anathema .
I'm willing to bet , you are one of those heathens who condemns the Bible for not opposing slavery and misogyny ..but , opposing gay sex..well , that's just beyond the pale ..!!
Heathen?
< Crickets chirping >

I am an equal opportunity skeptic.
I am cynical and sarcastic.

My opinion:
I find all religions to be nothing more than organized superstition.

PSA:
Cocaine, crystal meth and alcohol are the gateway drugs to Christianity.
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232346 Jul 11, 2014
Patrick wrote:
<quoted text>
Noah's ark was made by an individual,
the Titanic was made by experts
Eternal irony part one...

God created Alzheimer's... unfortunately he also suffers from it!

If Christ died for our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not committing them?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232347 Jul 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Yep, Noah and his family.
hahaha!

It's pure fiction, Eagle.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232348 Jul 11, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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Refusing to buy new technology and staying away from medicine is just a way of not having faith that God can operate in the mundane just as well as He operates in the extraordinary.
Just as long as you're not using all that new technology to better experience pornography, I believe you'll be okay.
You Christians have unusual issues with sex, hey.

Don't worry about, you're deity isn't real for everyone. Just for you and believers like you.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232349 Jul 11, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
“Adam,” being the first man, was a Zoologist/Biologist. He was the first scientist on the earth.
He was given the task of naming the animals.
A task that still remains in the hands of Biologist & Zoologist.
And to all those who claim there was no first man. All numbers ever generated are synonymous with the number one. All numbers always lead back to the number one.
“Adam,” being the first man, was a Zoologist/Biologist. He was the first scientist on the earth.
He was given the task of naming the animals.
A task that still remains in the hands of Biologist & Zoologist.
And to all those who claim there was no first man. All numbers ever generated are synonymous with the number one. All numbers always lead back to the number one.
Adam never existed. It's just a story.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232350 Jul 11, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you considered that maybe the reason somebody uses their imagination while praying might be because they are considering what next to say to God?
Did they use scripted, well known prayers like the Lord's prayer? Or were they just invited to open up a dialogue with God in prayer. Is there any comparison with brain activity of somebody who is talking in a conversation?
Does God exist in the brain, and if he does can he be measured?
The neurons that govern religiosity can be measured - and damaged.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#232351 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
hahaha!
It's pure fiction, Eagle.
Noah's pier ,bait and tackle shop.
Membership sold in pairs.
Come rain or shine!
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#232352 Jul 12, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
You Christians have unusual issues with sex, hey.
Don't worry about, you're deity isn't real for everyone. Just for you and believers like you.
I would argue that everyone has issues with sex. It was an attempt at humor so I'm going to skip the "sex is beautiful, but it's also dangerous" sermon.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#232353 Jul 12, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
The neurons that govern religiosity can be measured - and damaged.
The neurons that govern religiosity? So you mean you can measure how likely somebody is to take things on blind faith, or how likely someone is to conform to the doctrines of a religion. How stubborn someone is? Because that plays a role too. I think if we scanned enough people in this forum we could come up with a conclusive answer to the topic at hand.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#232354 Jul 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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No quantity representing a physical entity can be infinite.
If expansion continues unending, the expansion at any point is finite in extent. The infinite extent is not realizable. It is theoretical.
Unknowable quantity is not the same as infinite quantity.
"Infinite" and "quantity" is a contradiction.
For an expansion to be infinite in extent, it would have to be infinite in extent before expansion. Any expanding finite can never be anything but finite.
"Finite +1,+2,+3,..." will be finite at any point and any time.
If an expansion could continue for "infinite time", it could be infinite in extent.
But of course, that is circular reasoning, i.e., given an infinite, you can have an infinite.
As I have pointed out, physicists use the term "infinite" indiscriminately and erroneously to represent ideas.
Ideas are not physical reality. Physical reality and an infinite are contradictions.
To consider an infinite value representing reality destroys any rational computational basis for reality.
This is because portions of the value of an infinite are also infinite.
Therefore, "less than" and "equal to" would not be contradictory. In reality, "less than" and "equal to" are contradictory. Therefore, infinity cannot represent reality.
So the infinite loop I programmed on my Commodore 64 will only last as long as the electricity and the dudes on Ebay who supply the replacement hardware?

That's not encouraging.

Damn you Buck Crick. Damn you to Helllllllllll.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#232355 Jul 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
If you can count a portion of it, it is not infinite. That's why Hilbert's Hotel illustrates the contradiction.
When you walk up your staircase, no matter how long you walk, you would be no closer to infinite steps than when you stood on the first step. That's why such a realized phenomenon is impossible.
Indefinite?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232356 Jul 12, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Now you're projecting something I haven't said. I never said you got any closer to an infinite sum, any finite sums added up will never reach an infinite sum.
But that doesn't mean you can't count parts or add parts to an infinite sum.
I gave you a real world scenario that is exactly that, no amount of travel will get you to the destination, because the destination is an infinite distance away.
You're just full of crap Buck, the Grand hotel is an example of how additions can be made to an infinite sum. But it works the same way with subtraction, you can infinitly subtract from an infinite sum. When the grand hotel patrons leave, there is a infinitely long line exiting the door , and it never ends.
You gave nothing. You gave no infinite distance in the real world. It is impossible.

You need to explain how a finite distance can become infinite by addition, which you already admitted cannot happen, but also claim to happen.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#232357 Jul 12, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
The universe is beyond human comprehension by classical logic in it's extent.
Baffling as it is, it spans an infinite distance.

You just said it is beyond human comprehension, then said it is humanly comprehended to be infinite.

There is no "infinite distance", and such a distance is impossible.

Hilbert proved infinite changes are impossible.

The universe has finite particles expanding for a finite time at a finite speed.

When does that become infinite?

What physicists know about the extent of the universe is that it is larger than the observable universe and they cannot measure it.

It is convenient to call that "infinite".

You don't understand this, because you are very naive and enamored with science theory.

I suspect you loved Star Wars and Harry Potter.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232358 Jul 12, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would argue that everyone has issues with sex. It was an attempt at humor so I'm going to skip the "sex is beautiful, but it's also dangerous" sermon.
hahaha

:)

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232359 Jul 12, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
The neurons that govern religiosity? So you mean you can measure how likely somebody is to take things on blind faith, or how likely someone is to conform to the doctrines of a religion. How stubborn someone is? Because that plays a role too. I think if we scanned enough people in this forum we could come up with a conclusive answer to the topic at hand.
No, I don't think so. I sort of overstepped there, sorry. But I think we could in the future. Right now the best we can do is correlate some areas - the left temporal lobe - that, when damage, increases religiosity.

Here's a google scholar search for "religiosity neuroscience" - some interesting finds!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232360 Jul 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
The universe has finite particles expanding for a finite time at a finite speed.
The speeds is actually increasing with time, and speeding up. How do you know it's finite?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#232361 Jul 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You gave nothing. You gave no infinite distance in the real world. It is impossible.
You need to explain how a finite distance can become infinite by addition, which you already admitted cannot happen, but also claim to happen.
You are correct in one aspect.
You have to travel an infinite distance to get there, in other words it's impossible, because you cant traverse an infinite distance. But the phenomenon is a real and tangible fact of the cosmological event horizon.,
It would be like exactly like climbing the infinite staircase.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#232362 Jul 12, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You just said it is beyond human comprehension, then said it is humanly comprehended to be infinite.
There is no "infinite distance", and such a distance is impossible.
Hilbert proved infinite changes are impossible.
The universe has finite particles expanding for a finite time at a finite speed.
When does that become infinite?
What physicists know about the extent of the universe is that it is larger than the observable universe and they cannot measure it.
It is convenient to call that "infinite".
You don't understand this, because you are very naive and enamored with science theory.
I suspect you loved Star Wars and Harry Potter.
I suspect you don't study cosmology.

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