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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#232307 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Actually I'm not anti-anything!
Others... long before you're saviour said this...
Essentially this concept is old as civilized man... There is nothing original about it in your religion.
"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE
"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE
"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE
"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE
"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE
"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE
I am an equal opportunity skeptic.
I find all religions to be nothing more than superstition.
I post my opinion and comment.
Enjoy your faith if brings you happiness.
those people and sayings don't exist, they're figments of your very gay imagination!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232308 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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No quantity representing a physical entity can be infinite.
If expansion continues unending, the expansion at any point is finite in extent. The infinite extent is not realizable. It is theoretical.
Unknowable quantity is not the same as infinite quantity.
"Infinite" and "quantity" is a contradiction.
For an expansion to be infinite in extent, it would have to be infinite in extent before expansion. Any expanding finite can never be anything but finite.
"Finite +1,+2,+3,..." will be finite at any point and any time.
If an expansion could continue for "infinite time", it could be infinite in extent.
But of course, that is circular reasoning, i.e., given an infinite, you can have an infinite.
As I have pointed out, physicists use the term "infinite" indiscriminately and erroneously to represent ideas.
Ideas are not physical reality. Physical reality and an infinite are contradictions.
To consider an infinite value representing reality destroys any rational computational basis for reality.
This is because portions of the value of an infinite are also infinite.
Therefore, "less than" and "equal to" would not be contradictory. In reality, "less than" and "equal to" are contradictory. Therefore, infinity cannot represent reality.
Ok...uh...doesn't the word "expansion" or "continued expansion" denote infinite? I mean, is not the definition of infinite "never ending"?

And so, wouldn't that be finitely measurable at any given time, but changing each unit of time? In that case the process itself would be described as infinite, not the actual count at any given time.

Oh, and if the ever-expanding universe model was correct, then the universe itself would never have had a beginning, so it literally would be infinite - it would meet your qualifications above b/c it started infinite, is expanding and so any slice of it necessarily is infinite.

Anyways, what about pi? It's a finite value, but we can never reach a conclusion with the derived number, so every step you take, there's always one more digit. Concurrently, pi can never be completely defined - so even though you, personally, might be adding digits to your understanding of pi, you haven't merely added a +1 quantity and you've never accurately defined it. Or is that some bizarre failure of our base 10 math system?

Buck Crick

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#232309 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Any quantity + more quantity could be infinite.
If the universe is infinite, it was infinite as a singularity.
If there were an infinite staircase, you could count steps going up, till you decided to turn back.
How much of infinity you counted, is irrelevant, because infinity is not a pie.
Every step on the staircase would be finite. And so would the next,...and the next,...

You could stand on one of the steps and say, "Man, that's a long staircase. I can't even see the end of it. I believe it goes to infinity!"

You would be wrong.

Infinity is not a realizable physical phenomenon. It is impossible.

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#232310 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Huh. Just like waaasssuuup?
i like random persecution points cuz they count for more heavenly currency than regular ones!;-)

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#232311 Jul 11, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I'd be fascinated.
You do publish, shoot me a link?
just watch the movie ghostbusters. hers is the same idea...

Buck Crick

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#232312 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Ok...uh...doesn't the word "expansion" or "continued expansion" denote infinite? I mean, is not the definition of infinite "never ending"?
And so, wouldn't that be finitely measurable at any given time, but changing each unit of time? In that case the process itself would be described as infinite, not the actual count at any given time.
Oh, and if the ever-expanding universe model was correct, then the universe itself would never have had a beginning, so it literally would be infinite - it would meet your qualifications above b/c it started infinite, is expanding and so any slice of it necessarily is infinite.
Anyways, what about pi? It's a finite value, but we can never reach a conclusion with the derived number, so every step you take, there's always one more digit. Concurrently, pi can never be completely defined - so even though you, personally, might be adding digits to your understanding of pi, you haven't merely added a +1 quantity and you've never accurately defined it. Or is that some bizarre failure of our base 10 math system?
A sequence of addition always gives a finite sum, no matter if it is unending. If it is continuing, the continuation is finite in value at any point, and always will be.

Pi is a mathematical representation of of the relationship between entities. It is not a physical phenomenon.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#232313 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Every step on the staircase would be finite. And so would the next,...and the next,...
You could stand on one of the steps and say, "Man, that's a long staircase. I can't even see the end of it. I believe it goes to infinity!"
You would be wrong.
Infinity is not a realizable physical phenomenon. It is impossible.
Because you or anyone else believes that, or said so....doesn't make it so.
You could march up the infinite staircase , for all of your days. Never reaching the top counting , but what ever figure you count, is just a portion of an infinite sum.
If you could not count a portion of infinity, concepts like the Grand Hotel could not have been devised or written.
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#232314 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Most religions fall into this category anyway!
Theists do not think this through, or refuse to think lest they disturb their faith.
How can any rituals done over/for/around a baby affect
the baby's understanding of the world around it?
The infant doesn't understand language or geography or personal property or income taxes or.....anything at all, really.
To then present that baby to a priest and after some water sprinkles and some solemn words say that the baby is now Catholic, means that the baby magically understands the difference between a venal sin and a mortal sin.
Can't you see how silly that is?
The baby understands nothing more than was understood before the religious ceremony. And, since the infant in question does not understand, let alone believe, in any kind of God at all, it is an atheist -- a being without religious belief.
Interesting Opinions.....

Science describes accurately the material word.
Metaphysical ideas can not be proved.
Thus each person decides for himself or herself
Philosophical issue tied to our common mortality.

Live a long life and help others

Trolls seem upset that their ideas are not accepted
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#232315 Jul 11, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Ok. And one on how God gave humans souls!
Yeah!
(I am just not that corrupt - do you know how long it takes to write a book that you know to be lies?)
Not that corrupt? Force yourself!

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#232316 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Because you or anyone else believes that, or said so....doesn't make it so.
You could march up the infinite staircase , for all of your days. Never reaching the top counting , but what ever figure you count, is just a portion of an infinite sum.
If you could not count a portion of infinity, concepts like the Grand Hotel could not have been devised or written.
If you can count a portion of it, it is not infinite. That's why Hilbert's Hotel illustrates the contradiction.

When you walk up your staircase, no matter how long you walk, you would be no closer to infinite steps than when you stood on the first step. That's why such a realized phenomenon is impossible.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#232317 Jul 11, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Interesting Opinions.....
Science describes accurately the material word.
Metaphysical ideas can not be proved.
Thus each person decides for himself or herself
Philosophical issue tied to our common mortality.
Live a long life and help others
Trolls seem upset that their ideas are not accepted
Science does not "describe" anything.

It is a field of study. It cannot talk, read, or write.

Further, people utilizing 'science" are sometimes not accurate.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#232318 Jul 11, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Because you or anyone else believes that, or said so....doesn't make it so.

The laws of logic make it so.

If you wish to abandon logic, that's your business. I'm just pointing it out.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#232319 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
If you can count a portion of it, it is not infinite. That's why Hilbert's Hotel illustrates the contradiction.
When you walk up your staircase, no matter how long you walk, you would be no closer to infinite steps than when you stood on the first step. That's why such a realized phenomenon is impossible.
Now you're projecting something I haven't said. I never said you got any closer to an infinite sum, any finite sums added up will never reach an infinite sum.
But that doesn't mean you can't count parts or add parts to an infinite sum.
I gave you a real world scenario that is exactly that, no amount of travel will get you to the destination, because the destination is an infinite distance away.
You're just full of crap Buck, the Grand hotel is an example of how additions can be made to an infinite sum. But it works the same way with subtraction, you can infinitly subtract from an infinite sum. When the grand hotel patrons leave, there is a infinitely long line exiting the door , and it never ends.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#232320 Jul 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The laws of logic make it so.
If you wish to abandon logic, that's your business. I'm just pointing it out.
It has nothing to do with human logic, it has to do with a realization of the physical universe.
What cannot be apparently is in cosmological terms.
How we cope with this is irrelevant, how we protest it logically will not change it.
How this can be, we have no logic to explain.
The universe is beyond human comprehension by classical logic in it's extent.
Baffling as it is, it spans an infinite distance.
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232321 Jul 11, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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those people and sayings don't exist, they're figments of your very gay imagination!
Unfortunately your religion is imagination, and you could use a visit to the library.

However I will entertain you with something you can interpret - the Bible.

It all makes sense now.(dies laughing)

Gay marriage and marijuana being legalized on the same day.

Leviticus 20:13
"If a man lays with another man he should stoned".

We're just interpreting it wrong!
CunningLinguist

Howey In The Hills, FL

#232322 Jul 11, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Interesting Opinions.....
Science describes accurately the material word.
Metaphysical ideas can not be proved.
Thus each person decides for himself or herself
Philosophical issue tied to our common mortality.
Live a long life and help others
Trolls seem upset that their ideas are not accepted
I am an equal opportunity skeptic.

I find all religions to be nothing more than superstition.

I post my opinion and comment.

Those who need superstition in order to have a good "after life" I find amusing in the 21st-century.

Like Noah's ark heaven and hell are equally impossible.

Remember the Muslim martyrs that flew gleefully into the world trade centers were getting 72 virgins and going straight to paradise.

I wonder how the virgins felt about that ? They hang out in paradise waiting on a martyr to arrive... I doubt any Christian woman would call this paradise.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#232323 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately your religion is imagination, and you could use a visit to the library.
However I will entertain you with something you can interpret - the Bible.
It all makes sense now.(dies laughing)
Gay marriage and marijuana being legalized on the same day.
Leviticus 20:13
"If a man lays with another man he should stoned".
We're just interpreting it wrong!
you could use a visit to a good Bible study to de-program you from doctrines of devils!

i just love the educational campaign "just read something, anything!"

sorry - no, there's more unclean and antichrist trash to read than there is not!;-)
Patrick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#232324 Jul 11, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
I am an equal opportunity skeptic.
I find all religions to be nothing more than superstition.
I post my opinion and comment.
Those who need superstition in order to have a good "after life" I find amusing in the 21st-century.
Like Noah's ark heaven and hell are equally impossible.
Remember the Muslim martyrs that flew gleefully into the world trade centers were getting 72 virgins and going straight to paradise.
I wonder how the virgins felt about that ? They hang out in paradise waiting on a martyr to arrive... I doubt any Christian woman would call this paradise.
Noah's ark was made by an individual,
the Titanic was made by experts

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#232325 Jul 11, 2014
Anon wrote:
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Not that corrupt? Force yourself!
hahaha! nice.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

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#232326 Jul 11, 2014
Patrick wrote:
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Noah's ark was made by an individual,
the Titanic was made by experts
The story of Noah's ark was made by an individual.

Fixed that for you.

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