Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#231495 Jun 30, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I suggest you go and sit on a broomstick.
LOL! why is this ok for you to say to me, but if i said something to you like "can i watch you and river tam share a brumstick" everyone gets all spazzy?!

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#231496 Jun 30, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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hahaha! Thanks :)
Just as there were no days of Noah, so there will be no days of fulfilled biblical prophecies.
You can quote me on that, if you like :)
hahaha....no problemos!

oh you'll be quoted alright:

"each person will give an account for their every idle word spoken" - Jesus (my paraphrase)

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

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#231497 Jun 30, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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Okay, let's pretend for a second that I am wrong. That I am simply sending up prayers to someone who doesn't exist, and that I have been reading about stories that didn't happen.
Let's say I spend day after day remaining focused on God, praying for His presence in my life, and that I am giving credit to any possible good I can muster to an imaginary entity. Let's say I am giving freely to others because grace was freely given to me but there is no grace because there was no Christ. I am putting the needs of others before my own pointlessly, and I am trying to remain humble and obedient when there isn't anything to be humble for or obedient to.
What will I lose for it? I sure will be disappointed when I die I guess, but my faith has brought me a lot of joy and purpose to my life. I have also seen others turn to Christ and have seen them really change for the better. But if there is no God and no Christ, what do we miss out on? Because we gave up on selfishly sucking every pleasure we possibly could out of life? Because we stopped looking for fulfillment and purpose in things that were destined to fail us?
I guess the joke will sure be on us.
Why couldn't you have just stopped at I will be disappointed when I die.

This selfishly sucking every pleasure we possible could out of life because we stopped looking for fulfillment and purpose......Just rattle on and on. Atheists have just as much purpose in life as you do. It just isn't god. Its family, friends and community. You are always such a downer. Maybe you would just curl up and die without your god to kowtow to, but the rest of us would have a nice life. Not a selfish like, not sucking life out of everything else, but the nice life you described first.

You Christians just cannot believe that your world would not come to an end if you stopped believing in it.

“let's do this thang!”

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#231498 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Let's start with god's entrapment story.
The Adam and Eve story doesn't make sense. If they were commanded to do something and did not *before* they had knowledge of good and evil, then they were imperfectly designed.
It was the designer's fault.
We had a PM (Brown) that threw fax machines at the wall when they didn't work. He was a psycho, too.
So when is your god going to give his vengeance for his own f**k up a rest?
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NO - for you, we'll start with how hot the earth's core might be and why we might want to avoid spending eternity there.....
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231499 Jun 30, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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Why couldn't you have just stopped at I will be disappointed when I die.
This selfishly sucking every pleasure we possible could out of life because we stopped looking for fulfillment and purpose......Just rattle on and on. Atheists have just as much purpose in life as you do. It just isn't god. Its family, friends and community. You are always such a downer. Maybe you would just curl up and die without your god to kowtow to, but the rest of us would have a nice life. Not a selfish like, not sucking life out of everything else, but the nice life you described first.
You Christians just cannot believe that your world would not come to an end if you stopped believing in it.
Let's pretend every Christian came to the conclusion that God doesn't exist. And every church folded up shop and stopped funding every food pantry, every homeless shelter, every sober living, rehab, domestic violence shelter, and every third world mission connected to every other religious institution believing in the existence of God.

Everyone stopped going to church and stopped tithing, that is, trusting God with their assets which goes to fund these programs that help people in need. Everyone decided it was about their loved ones and not unconditional love. Do you think this would create more or less problems for society?
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#231500 Jun 30, 2014
"If someone is depraved, kill their kids" - kimare.

Slime.
KiMare wrote:
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Post where I said that.
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#231501 Jun 30, 2014
You are such a massive wimp.

No backbone.

You are only motivated by fear.
waaasssuuup wrote:
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NO - for you, we'll start with how hot the earth's core might be and why we might want to avoid spending eternity there.....
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#231502 Jun 30, 2014
Why would I kill a child? I'm not even slightly religious.
number four wrote:
<quoted text>God's prerogative ...He can give and and only He can take ..( I'm sorry that sounds like a cop out )
But , society had become so decadent , would you not snuff out your child's life ...if , you knew their future was a hopeless and brutal life belonging to a Tijuana brothel ..?
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#231503 Jun 30, 2014
Your beliefs don't stack up.

If I was an all powerful deity I would be able to avoid any such "tough love" situation without genocide.
Lab28 wrote:
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I admire your compassion for those babies that were killed during the flood. Thank God that he promises never to send a flood to cover the earth again.
I wonder if you've ever been in the situation where you had to show "tough love" to somebody. Where somebodies actions had forced your hand to where you had to put them on the streets where you know they will be unsafe, or you had to walk away from somebody you knew was going to continue a downward spiral that could very likely result in their death.
I dunno if you've ever experienced the disappointment when somebody that you had such high hopes for ends up stuck in a cycle that you cannot convince them they have a choice to get out of. I think if you had, you might be able to relate to God's disappointment in man when he decided to flood the earth.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231504 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Your beliefs don't stack up.
If I was an all powerful deity I would be able to avoid any such "tough love" situation without genocide.
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"I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! " -Ecclesiastes 1:13

So, in the face of the question of "why?" It seems that all answers are insufficient with you. Solomon, one of Israel's wealthiest kings, who reigned over a time of endless prosperity, experienced it all. The conclusion he came to is that life is meaningless.

The point is to enjoy it, you can choose to look at the world through a scope of criticism. You can choose to observe how bleak and futile life truly is, or you can choose to be grateful for the moments that you have and enjoy it.

"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord." - Job 1:21

Powerlessness does not come easy. It isn't fun to admit that really anything we have is a blessing and that it isn't by my merit that I have what I have. But only by the grace of God. But, if I start with that outlook, the world is a lot less bleak.
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#231505 Jun 30, 2014
I really enjoy life.

But if dark ages religitards and genocide apologists hadn't set us back 1000 years, I also like to imagine where we might have travelled to by now.
Lab28 wrote:
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"I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! " -Ecclesiastes 1:13
So, in the face of the question of "why?" It seems that all answers are insufficient with you. Solomon, one of Israel's wealthiest kings, who reigned over a time of endless prosperity, experienced it all. The conclusion he came to is that life is meaningless.
The point is to enjoy it, you can choose to look at the world through a scope of criticism. You can choose to observe how bleak and futile life truly is, or you can choose to be grateful for the moments that you have and enjoy it.
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord." - Job 1:21
Powerlessness does not come easy. It isn't fun to admit that really anything we have is a blessing and that it isn't by my merit that I have what I have. But only by the grace of God. But, if I start with that outlook, the world is a lot less bleak.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#231506 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Why would I kill a child? I'm not even slightly religious.
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Why should God answer the prayer of one who in his whole life never bothered to acknowledge him or even spend 5 minutes in prayer?

Then when a life threatening illness comes to your child you expect God to be a genie in a bottle and grant you your wish because you demand it.

If God had delivered the child from leukemia would you have given him the credit? Or would you have continued living you life as before without acknowledging God in your everyday life?

It’s always so tragic when a child dies by any means. We take the life of a child for granted. We assume they’ll out live us and never die. But children do die my friend and are not immune from dying.

I’ve never suffered the loss of a child. I can’t image the anguish and pain from such a loss. But this I know, the bible says, Matthew 19:14,

“But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

For in heaven my friend are many children running and playing from generations gone by. Because they left this life and are living in a place of eternal joy doesn’t mean God is not God or able to do anything.

Death comes to us all my friend and it is a fact of life. All things that live must die and it's been that way since Adam & Eve.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231507 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I really enjoy life.
But if dark ages religitards and genocide apologists hadn't set us back 1000 years, I also like to imagine where we might have travelled to by now.
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I would actually argue that it is the principals of Christianity that has made the western world excel the way that it has.

The fact is that Christianity was a strong influence for abolitionism, women's suffrage, and civil rights. That's just here in the US. I think you should wonder what fairness would look like without Christianity.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#231508 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Why would I kill a child? I'm not even slightly religious.
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Atheism my friend has never stopped anyone from dying and it never will.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231509 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I really enjoy life.
But if dark ages religitards and genocide apologists hadn't set us back 1000 years, I also like to imagine where we might have travelled to by now.
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I'd also like to point out that "religion setting us back 1,000 years" is an assertion that is based on a belief that without religion we would be better off. Which you might be able to point to some evidence for, but hardly can be proven. Ergo, faith.

Which then becomes evidence for the topic of this thread.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

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#231510 Jun 30, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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Let's pretend every Christian came to the conclusion that God doesn't exist. And every church folded up shop and stopped funding every food pantry, every homeless shelter, every sober living, rehab, domestic violence shelter, and every third world mission connected to every other religious institution believing in the existence of God.
Everyone stopped going to church and stopped tithing, that is, trusting God with their assets which goes to fund these programs that help people in need. Everyone decided it was about their loved ones and not unconditional love. Do you think this would create more or less problems for society?
Then you would see the unreligious donate just as much. Any person who has a humane bone in their body would continue to stock food banks and all the other institutions for helping people. You have this crazy idea that all those things are Christian only orginations. You are wrong. The missionaries could come home and the peace corp would take over.

Think of all that money that would then be spent or saved and that would help the economy immensely. And we wouldn't get pis*ed off because of the tax dodge.

And don't tell me that your love is "unconditional" as most Christians have a few strings tied to their love.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231511 Jun 30, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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Then you would see the unreligious donate just as much. Any person who has a humane bone in their body would continue to stock food banks and all the other institutions for helping people. You have this crazy idea that all those things are Christian only orginations. You are wrong. The missionaries could come home and the peace corp would take over.
Think of all that money that would then be spent or saved and that would help the economy immensely. And we wouldn't get pis*ed off because of the tax dodge.
And don't tell me that your love is "unconditional" as most Christians have a few strings tied to their love.
I agree, they aren't Christian only, but I am in the industry and have found that a majority of them are. I have also found that a majority of volunteers, employees, even administration are. When it comes to funding as well, I predict that you would see a drastic decline in the money coming in for a lot of humanitarian efforts. A lot of people are putting a lot of money in a lot of baskets every week for no other reason than because they are trusting God with their assets.(Or, if they're inconsistent to not feel guilty.)

There is also the whole question of why should I help the less fortunate. I think we can all agree that we are under no obligation to. We can have the humanist argument that we are wired to, which will work until it doesn't feel good anymore. Or the socialist argument that we should because it would be unfair not to, which will work until we get resentful.

I found a few articles on atheism and charitable donations, all trying to spin it one way or another. The numbers remain the same though, atheists give less.

“The Edge”

Since: Dec 10

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#231512 Jun 30, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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I agree, they aren't Christian only, but I am in the industry and have found that a majority of them are. I have also found that a majority of volunteers, employees, even administration are. When it comes to funding as well, I predict that you would see a drastic decline in the money coming in for a lot of humanitarian efforts. A lot of people are putting a lot of money in a lot of baskets every week for no other reason than because they are trusting God with their assets.(Or, if they're inconsistent to not feel guilty.)
There is also the whole question of why should I help the less fortunate. I think we can all agree that we are under no obligation to. We can have the humanist argument that we are wired to, which will work until it doesn't feel good anymore. Or the socialist argument that we should because it would be unfair not to, which will work until we get resentful.
I found a few articles on atheism and charitable donations, all trying to spin it one way or another. The numbers remain the same though, atheists give less.
Moron.. We help out our friends and fellowman, because we are able, they need help and because it's the right thing to do. Not because anything else, and mind you if able I would not turn away even those who would cause your feeble mind to terminate itself , at the mere sight of those who need it.
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#231513 Jun 30, 2014
Neither has your god myth.

But it's killed plenty.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Atheism my friend has never stopped anyone from dying and it never will.
Thinking

Hounslow, UK

#231514 Jun 30, 2014
Morality predates your religion.
Lab28 wrote:
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I would actually argue that it is the principals of Christianity that has made the western world excel the way that it has.
The fact is that Christianity was a strong influence for abolitionism, women's suffrage, and civil rights. That's just here in the US. I think you should wonder what fairness would look like without Christianity.

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