Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231504 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Your beliefs don't stack up.
If I was an all powerful deity I would be able to avoid any such "tough love" situation without genocide.
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"I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! " -Ecclesiastes 1:13

So, in the face of the question of "why?" It seems that all answers are insufficient with you. Solomon, one of Israel's wealthiest kings, who reigned over a time of endless prosperity, experienced it all. The conclusion he came to is that life is meaningless.

The point is to enjoy it, you can choose to look at the world through a scope of criticism. You can choose to observe how bleak and futile life truly is, or you can choose to be grateful for the moments that you have and enjoy it.

"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord." - Job 1:21

Powerlessness does not come easy. It isn't fun to admit that really anything we have is a blessing and that it isn't by my merit that I have what I have. But only by the grace of God. But, if I start with that outlook, the world is a lot less bleak.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231505 Jun 30, 2014
I really enjoy life.

But if dark ages religitards and genocide apologists hadn't set us back 1000 years, I also like to imagine where we might have travelled to by now.
Lab28 wrote:
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"I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! " -Ecclesiastes 1:13
So, in the face of the question of "why?" It seems that all answers are insufficient with you. Solomon, one of Israel's wealthiest kings, who reigned over a time of endless prosperity, experienced it all. The conclusion he came to is that life is meaningless.
The point is to enjoy it, you can choose to look at the world through a scope of criticism. You can choose to observe how bleak and futile life truly is, or you can choose to be grateful for the moments that you have and enjoy it.
"And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord." - Job 1:21
Powerlessness does not come easy. It isn't fun to admit that really anything we have is a blessing and that it isn't by my merit that I have what I have. But only by the grace of God. But, if I start with that outlook, the world is a lot less bleak.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#231506 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Why would I kill a child? I'm not even slightly religious.
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Why should God answer the prayer of one who in his whole life never bothered to acknowledge him or even spend 5 minutes in prayer?

Then when a life threatening illness comes to your child you expect God to be a genie in a bottle and grant you your wish because you demand it.

If God had delivered the child from leukemia would you have given him the credit? Or would you have continued living you life as before without acknowledging God in your everyday life?

It’s always so tragic when a child dies by any means. We take the life of a child for granted. We assume they’ll out live us and never die. But children do die my friend and are not immune from dying.

I’ve never suffered the loss of a child. I can’t image the anguish and pain from such a loss. But this I know, the bible says, Matthew 19:14,

“But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

For in heaven my friend are many children running and playing from generations gone by. Because they left this life and are living in a place of eternal joy doesn’t mean God is not God or able to do anything.

Death comes to us all my friend and it is a fact of life. All things that live must die and it's been that way since Adam & Eve.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231507 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I really enjoy life.
But if dark ages religitards and genocide apologists hadn't set us back 1000 years, I also like to imagine where we might have travelled to by now.
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I would actually argue that it is the principals of Christianity that has made the western world excel the way that it has.

The fact is that Christianity was a strong influence for abolitionism, women's suffrage, and civil rights. That's just here in the US. I think you should wonder what fairness would look like without Christianity.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#231508 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Why would I kill a child? I'm not even slightly religious.
<quoted text>
Atheism my friend has never stopped anyone from dying and it never will.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231509 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I really enjoy life.
But if dark ages religitards and genocide apologists hadn't set us back 1000 years, I also like to imagine where we might have travelled to by now.
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I'd also like to point out that "religion setting us back 1,000 years" is an assertion that is based on a belief that without religion we would be better off. Which you might be able to point to some evidence for, but hardly can be proven. Ergo, faith.

Which then becomes evidence for the topic of this thread.

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#231510 Jun 30, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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Let's pretend every Christian came to the conclusion that God doesn't exist. And every church folded up shop and stopped funding every food pantry, every homeless shelter, every sober living, rehab, domestic violence shelter, and every third world mission connected to every other religious institution believing in the existence of God.
Everyone stopped going to church and stopped tithing, that is, trusting God with their assets which goes to fund these programs that help people in need. Everyone decided it was about their loved ones and not unconditional love. Do you think this would create more or less problems for society?
Then you would see the unreligious donate just as much. Any person who has a humane bone in their body would continue to stock food banks and all the other institutions for helping people. You have this crazy idea that all those things are Christian only orginations. You are wrong. The missionaries could come home and the peace corp would take over.

Think of all that money that would then be spent or saved and that would help the economy immensely. And we wouldn't get pis*ed off because of the tax dodge.

And don't tell me that your love is "unconditional" as most Christians have a few strings tied to their love.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231511 Jun 30, 2014
sweets2360 wrote:
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Then you would see the unreligious donate just as much. Any person who has a humane bone in their body would continue to stock food banks and all the other institutions for helping people. You have this crazy idea that all those things are Christian only orginations. You are wrong. The missionaries could come home and the peace corp would take over.
Think of all that money that would then be spent or saved and that would help the economy immensely. And we wouldn't get pis*ed off because of the tax dodge.
And don't tell me that your love is "unconditional" as most Christians have a few strings tied to their love.
I agree, they aren't Christian only, but I am in the industry and have found that a majority of them are. I have also found that a majority of volunteers, employees, even administration are. When it comes to funding as well, I predict that you would see a drastic decline in the money coming in for a lot of humanitarian efforts. A lot of people are putting a lot of money in a lot of baskets every week for no other reason than because they are trusting God with their assets.(Or, if they're inconsistent to not feel guilty.)

There is also the whole question of why should I help the less fortunate. I think we can all agree that we are under no obligation to. We can have the humanist argument that we are wired to, which will work until it doesn't feel good anymore. Or the socialist argument that we should because it would be unfair not to, which will work until we get resentful.

I found a few articles on atheism and charitable donations, all trying to spin it one way or another. The numbers remain the same though, atheists give less.

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#231512 Jun 30, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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I agree, they aren't Christian only, but I am in the industry and have found that a majority of them are. I have also found that a majority of volunteers, employees, even administration are. When it comes to funding as well, I predict that you would see a drastic decline in the money coming in for a lot of humanitarian efforts. A lot of people are putting a lot of money in a lot of baskets every week for no other reason than because they are trusting God with their assets.(Or, if they're inconsistent to not feel guilty.)
There is also the whole question of why should I help the less fortunate. I think we can all agree that we are under no obligation to. We can have the humanist argument that we are wired to, which will work until it doesn't feel good anymore. Or the socialist argument that we should because it would be unfair not to, which will work until we get resentful.
I found a few articles on atheism and charitable donations, all trying to spin it one way or another. The numbers remain the same though, atheists give less.
Moron.. We help out our friends and fellowman, because we are able, they need help and because it's the right thing to do. Not because anything else, and mind you if able I would not turn away even those who would cause your feeble mind to terminate itself , at the mere sight of those who need it.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231513 Jun 30, 2014
Neither has your god myth.

But it's killed plenty.
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism my friend has never stopped anyone from dying and it never will.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231514 Jun 30, 2014
Morality predates your religion.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would actually argue that it is the principals of Christianity that has made the western world excel the way that it has.
The fact is that Christianity was a strong influence for abolitionism, women's suffrage, and civil rights. That's just here in the US. I think you should wonder what fairness would look like without Christianity.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231515 Jun 30, 2014
Your beliefs don't stack up.

Your god should just stop childhood leukaemia now, and worry about whether I bow and scrape to it later.
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Why should God answer the prayer of one who in his whole life never bothered to acknowledge him or even spend 5 minutes in prayer?
Then when a life threatening illness comes to your child you expect God to be a genie in a bottle and grant you your wish because you demand it.
If God had delivered the child from leukemia would you have given him the credit? Or would you have continued living you life as before without acknowledging God in your everyday life?
It’s always so tragic when a child dies by any means. We take the life of a child for granted. We assume they’ll out live us and never die. But children do die my friend and are not immune from dying.
I’ve never suffered the loss of a child. I can’t image the anguish and pain from such a loss. But this I know, the bible says, Matthew 19:14,
“But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”
For in heaven my friend are many children running and playing from generations gone by. Because they left this life and are living in a place of eternal joy doesn’t mean God is not God or able to do anything.
Death comes to us all my friend and it is a fact of life. All things that live must die and it's been that way since Adam & Eve.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231516 Jun 30, 2014
Great documentary on the Evolutionary reasons for altruism, complete with crap BBC Micro Model B graphics.

Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, they aren't Christian only, but I am in the industry and have found that a majority of them are. I have also found that a majority of volunteers, employees, even administration are. When it comes to funding as well, I predict that you would see a drastic decline in the money coming in for a lot of humanitarian efforts. A lot of people are putting a lot of money in a lot of baskets every week for no other reason than because they are trusting God with their assets.(Or, if they're inconsistent to not feel guilty.)
There is also the whole question of why should I help the less fortunate. I think we can all agree that we are under no obligation to. We can have the humanist argument that we are wired to, which will work until it doesn't feel good anymore. Or the socialist argument that we should because it would be unfair not to, which will work until we get resentful.
I found a few articles on atheism and charitable donations, all trying to spin it one way or another. The numbers remain the same though, atheists give less.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231517 Jun 30, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Moron.. We help out our friends and fellowman, because we are able, they need help and because it's the right thing to do. Not because anything else, and mind you if able I would not turn away even those who would cause your feeble mind to terminate itself , at the mere sight of those who need it.
Now, now, there is no need to resort to name calling.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231518 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Morality predates your religion.
<quoted text>
Actually, I would argue that morality is a product of my religion. That wasn't really my point, but yeah, sure, okay let's talk about morality.

On what authority do we even set values? We in the western world see injustice for what it truly is. For instance we look at the rights of women in some middle eastern countries and hopefully you look at that and say, that is not just. But in those countries, it is totally okay. To them that is what is morally right... Even when you know in your heart that it is not. It's a moral relativism that occurs when people adopt their ideas of right and wrong based on the culture around them.

So, what's the point? Yeah we've had morals forever, but what are they based on? Many cultures have established a system of morals that we know is abhorrent. But on what authority can we even establish that. Especially if we are the product of random.

[I actually posted this a few days ago. The last time you said morality predates my religion]

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#231519 Jun 30, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I would argue that morality is a product of my religion. That wasn't really my point, but yeah, sure, okay let's talk about morality.
On what authority do we even set values? We in the western world see injustice for what it truly is. For instance we look at the rights of women in some middle eastern countries and hopefully you look at that and say, that is not just. But in those countries, it is totally okay. To them that is what is morally right... Even when you know in your heart that it is not. It's a moral relativism that occurs when people adopt their ideas of right and wrong based on the culture around them.
So, what's the point? Yeah we've had morals forever, but what are they based on? Many cultures have established a system of morals that we know is abhorrent. But on what authority can we even establish that. Especially if we are the product of random.
[I actually posted this a few days ago. The last time you said morality predates my religion]
Morality dies not mean equality when religion is concerned.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231520 Jun 30, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Great documentary on the Evolutionary reasons for altruism, complete with crap BBC Micro Model B graphics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =I71mjZefg8gXX
<quoted text>
That's like forty five minutes long, bro. What are we trying to establish? That we were designed to be altruistic and cooperative? I agree.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231521 Jun 30, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism my friend has never stopped anyone from dying and it never will.
Actualy it did,,It never told anyone to kill in its name!

Religion flies planes into buildings,,

Science flies us to the stars
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231522 Jun 30, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Morality dies not mean equality when religion is concerned.
"a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all." -Colossians 3:11

"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. " -Genesis 1:26

"For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men," -Titus 2:11

It really isn't right that some people will discriminate while proclaiming themselves Christian. It's actually inconsistent with the message from the bible. But people will continue to be people.

But I'm not entirely sure to what you're referring. If you're talking about what I think you're talking about it's somewhat of a complicated situation that generally ends up in everyone being frustrated if you look at what scripture says about it. But I think it's foolish to argue moral doctrine to the unsaved. If I tell someone they ought to be married before having sex, they're going to look at me as though I'm living in the nineteenth century. Best to have a full understanding of grace before even attempting to contemplate specific moral doctrines.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#231523 Jun 30, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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I found a few articles on atheism and charitable donations, all trying to spin it one way or another. The numbers remain the same though, atheists give less.
Actualy atheists give way more then xians considering how few atheists there is,,

Google atheist charities..

Btw why do you xians expect anyone to give you anything,why don't you get of your lazy azz and go work?
I feed me and my family why should I feed yours?

Proud people would never accept a handout or even a tip,.

http://youtu.be/f8mNkkqXETo

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