Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#231256 Jun 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Do you believe in the flood as told in the bible? Are you like 5 years old?
<quoted text>
Desperately trying to change the subject from the afterlife?

I understand sissy.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#231257 Jun 26, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
a. I'm not your "honey" - so your endearment is worthless.
b. I have plenty of faith. Are you implying that I am faithless? How did you come to this conclusion?
New Age - believes in what Jesus taught, thus - plenty of faith and probably more so than you consider yourself to have.
I accept all of what Jesus taught - and since you don't - it sounds like you lack faith in Jesus.
Maybe you don't argue with faithless people, is because you lack so much of it in Jesus, that you fit right in with those you oppose.
Honey, your view is rejected by people of faith. The vast majority from the beginning of the Church until now.

The baseless arrogance of your assertion only exposes your insincerity.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231258 Jun 26, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
<quoted text>
So you don't argue with the "faithless"....yet will with what you call an Atheist.
You do post as if you are confused or more accurately, just chose to not converse with me.
I understand - most so-called "Christians" usually pull that same card with me, AFTER I had shown them that their belief is skewed and not one that believes in Jesus and what he taught.
Like I said, I understand completely - you like being told how to believe.
Carry on.
Asking an atheist to explain the universal awareness of an afterlife is hardly arguing the Christian faith.

For future reference, I will correct an incorrect assertion about what the Bible says. I will not argue doctrine.

You come across as a teenage girl, how old are you?

Smile.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#231259 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
It this retirement for you or a case of Kerry calling you home?
You’ll have to get used to the weather over here all over again. I have trouble when I’ve been in a warm country for just a few days. Actually we are going through a warm snap at the moment (between 19 and 24C) across the UK and here in Lancashire have had no rain for more than a week – must be summer.
<quoted text>
Fine thanks, busy and hectic, but that’s life.
I just wanna go home.
And, yes, it's still "home" to me.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#231260 Jun 26, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
*gasp!
Thanks for overloading my brain cells with the information, well done!
Your opinion yes or no - did the Egyptians create the first religion?
LOL

Didn't mean to - just wanted to post some alternate theories and facts that you hadn't.

We all learn new things all the time - just don't stop doing so......

(2) Jesus says:

(1) "The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he finds.
(2) And when he finds, he will be dismayed.
(3) And when he is dismayed, he will be astonished.
(4) And he will be king over the All."

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gth_pat_rob.htm

"Your opinion yes or no - did the Egyptians create the first religion?"

Good question.....considering that the Egyptians and the early Central American Olmec and Toltec Indians were also creating communities at the same time, but thousands of miles away from Egypt.

IMO - I've read alot of information on religion, its origins and so forth....and ya know - I've yet to come to a conclusion on where it all began.

We could go back to about 11000 BCE and note that the Clovis people had burying rituals - which could be construed as "religious" based - or a comparison to spiritualism.

So in truth - I don't know who created "religion" - per se. I do believe a form of "spiritualism" had existed. and religion was born through it.

Does that help?

Cheers!

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#231261 Jun 26, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:

a. I'm not your "honey" - so your endearment is worthless.
b. I have plenty of faith. Are you implying that I am faithless? How did you come to this conclusion?
New Age - believes in what Jesus taught, thus - plenty of faith and probably more so than you consider yourself to have.
I accept all of what Jesus taught - and since you don't - it sounds like you lack faith in Jesus.
Maybe you don't argue with faithless people, is because you lack so much of it in Jesus, that you fit right in with those you oppose.
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Honey, your view is rejected by people of faith. The vast majority from the beginning of the Church until now.
The baseless arrogance of your assertion only exposes your insincerity.
Smile.
a. I'm not your "honey" - so please don't use it when posting to me. If you continue, I will have to start using my own "endearing" words when addressing you. And in truth, my endearments are nothing like yours.

"your view is rejected by people of faith. The vast majority from the beginning of the Church until now."
- Incorrect conclusion. I have faith and I don't reject Jesus' teachings. So you are wrong.
- The vast majority of men chose to present you with their version of a belief. So you accepted this format and chose to believe what men tell you. Not only on what to believe, but how to believe.
+ Please post where "God" specifically states which texts are of "His inspiration" and which are not. I want to make sure I am following "God", and not men - like you have been doing.
+ The so-called "Church" has never been fully defined. Do you have a definition that can be used. I've been trying to formulate one, but since only so-called "Catholics" use it more often than others, you are probably Catholic by lineage and promote that definition. Soooooo - what is the definition of the "Church"?

"The baseless arrogance of your assertion only exposes your insincerity."
- baseless arrogance? I think not. Maybe you should have been more pointed and accurate by saying, "Your research has pointed ouot some facts that I don't abide by, because they are not within the religion I was given to by other men."

Your ignorance to your religion is the point I've been making, and it has nothing to do with sincerity, arrogance, or whatever - all it has done is point out the fallacies you continue to promote in order to mislead others with wrong information. I don't.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231262 Jun 26, 2014
So you worship a god that drowned every baby on the ark. You're an evil fuckwit.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
do you NOT believe in the flood as told in the Bible? what, are you like the multitude of morons in Noah's day?
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231263 Jun 26, 2014
not on the ark ^
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231264 Jun 26, 2014
Of course. Whereas your sodom and gomorrah story says that god endorses child rape.

You're backing the wrong cu*t.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
btw - i'm guessing you also believe that homosexuality is a valid life-style, like the moronic multitudes of sodomites did in the days of sodom and gomorrah!
"as it was in the days of sodom, so shall it be in the end" - Jesus
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231265 Jun 26, 2014
Have you forgotten who you're logged in as or are you retarded?

I only post here as "Thinking".
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Desperately trying to change the subject from the afterlife?
I understand sissy.
Smile.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231266 Jun 26, 2014
Kerry is a beautiful part of the world. Hope it all works out for you.
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I just wanna go home.
And, yes, it's still "home" to me.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231267 Jun 26, 2014
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
a. I'm not your "honey" - so your endearment is worthless.
b. I have plenty of faith. Are you implying that I am faithless? How did you come to this conclusion?
New Age - believes in what Jesus taught, thus - plenty of faith and probably more so than you consider yourself to have.
I accept all of what Jesus taught - and since you don't - it sounds like you lack faith in Jesus.
Maybe you don't argue with faithless people, is because you lack so much of it in Jesus, that you fit right in with those you oppose.
<quoted text>
a. I'm not your "honey" - so please don't use it when posting to me. If you continue, I will have to start using my own "endearing" words when addressing you. And in truth, my endearments are nothing like yours.
"your view is rejected by people of faith. The vast majority from the beginning of the Church until now."
- Incorrect conclusion. I have faith and I don't reject Jesus' teachings. So you are wrong.
- The vast majority of men chose to present you with their version of a belief. So you accepted this format and chose to believe what men tell you. Not only on what to believe, but how to believe.
+ Please post where "God" specifically states which texts are of "His inspiration" and which are not. I want to make sure I am following "God", and not men - like you have been doing.
+ The so-called "Church" has never been fully defined. Do you have a definition that can be used. I've been trying to formulate one, but since only so-called "Catholics" use it more often than others, you are probably Catholic by lineage and promote that definition. Soooooo - what is the definition of the "Church"?
"The baseless arrogance of your assertion only exposes your insincerity."
- baseless arrogance? I think not. Maybe you should have been more pointed and accurate by saying, "Your research has pointed ouot some facts that I don't abide by, because they are not within the religion I was given to by other men."
Your ignorance to your religion is the point I've been making, and it has nothing to do with sincerity, arrogance, or whatever - all it has done is point out the fallacies you continue to promote in order to mislead others with wrong information. I don't.
Blondie,

I don't care what belief system you have, I accurately noted that the vast majority of historical Christianity rejects it.

You have no idea what I accept and from whom. You ASSume way too much.

There are plenty of resources available for you to learn Christian doctrine. You know that. The truth is, you are not interested in Christian doctrine, are you.

I'm curious, how many people follow your belief system? Do you think they run a food bank in my community? Did other men write your belief system, or did you make it up? How's that going?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231268 Jun 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I only post here as "Thinking".
<quoted text>
And we keep waiting and waiting to see it...

So you are stilling thinking about the afterlife? I thought you were an 'rational atheist' oxymoron?

Now you join the universal wonder of the human race.

Smile.
well

Lake Villa, IL

#231269 Jun 26, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Legally, yes.
Did you think I was whining?
I've dealt with that libel since 1996, long before I retired in 2005 after 20 years as Pastor of the Church.

Smile.
Since 1996 huh? What do you think it is about you that causes this problem? A Pastor really should not have those kinds of troubles, you seem to really rub people the wrong way...how can you lead your flock appropriately?

If something is the truth it isn't libel though is it?

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#231270 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
My personal life is non of your concern
..I realize that , but we look at your photo profile ...and , Wow ..you look old and skeletal ...we , just can't help to wonder what kind of life choices , did that to you ..??

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#231271 Jun 26, 2014
well wrote:
<quoted text>
Since 1996 huh? What do you think it is about you that causes this problem? A Pastor really should not have those kinds of troubles, you seem to really rub people the wrong way...how can you lead your flock appropriately?
If something is the truth it isn't libel though is it?
One person who pursues all these years?

A man who lived off a woman and her four sons?

And then demanded that I require her to take him back?

And now a bunch of gays who side with him?

You tell me.

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#231272 Jun 26, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>What they claim is the only thing that counts. Count the real ones by what they live and the count may even be as high as 1, if you are counting Christains, that is.
Do you think that even one could be found planet wide who would chow down on his own cooked children, should his god demand it? And who would be willing to cut off his own genitalia, because it pleases his god? And he would also stand silently while his neighbor humped his wife in the streets? Is there such a Christain, who would actually live buybull morality? Just one? It is not you is it? NO?
Well then the only Christains are the ones who claim to be Christains....... you know the hypocrites who pretend that they obey a god.
..dude..You just don't give God a break ..

You lambast Him for the wickedness of His adherents ...and then...you lambast Him for punishing of said adherents ..

What I don't understand is how someone claims to rational , and yet believes the Bible is wholly a construct of Man ..

and , obviously they weren't intelligent enough to leave out the embarrassing passages ...Good grief , Woman you're the one who loves bringing up Emmanuel verses Jesus ...they , couldn't fix that solecism ...

And , the Bible asserts only " honor your father and mother '

If it were truly constructed by man ...where , is " question not the political or religious leaders "..??

or , beith not a pacifist in thyne defense of thyne nation ..??

So , I hate trumpeting "Kimare'a" horn .( I like girls )..but , he is absolutely correct . There is no logic in the so called rational unbeliever ..

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

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#231273 Jun 26, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
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Actually, I would argue that morality is a product of my religion. That wasn't really my point, but yeah, sure, okay let's talk about morality.
On what authority do we even set values? We in the western world see injustice for what it truly is. For instance we look at the rights of women in some middle eastern countries and hopefully you look at that and say, that is not just. But in those countries, it is totally okay. To them that is what is morally right... Even when you know in your heart that it is not. It's a moral relativism that occurs when people adopt their ideas of right and wrong based on the culture around them.
So, what's the point? Yeah we've had morals forever, but what are they based on? Many cultures have established a system of morals that we know is abhorrent. But on what authority can we even establish that. Especially if we are the product of random.
They are based on humans being a tribal people. The only way humans could survive was to cooperate with one another. In hunting, rearing children, building snug places to live. Warring with other tribes. One bad apple was usually cast out. Anyone that brought the tribe down or endangered them was gone. A person who murdered another? Gone. Stole from the tribe? Gone. Caused dissention and upheaval in the tribe? Gone. Hurt another on purpose? Gone.

They had to bond together. Each held the others lives in their hands and had to be trusted without doubt. As civilization grew, so did their ways of handling the moral decisions of what to do with the people who we cant trust and make life difficult for others. Today we put them in prisons. They are still cast out of our communities where they wreak havoc.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#231274 Jun 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Kerry is a beautiful part of the world. Hope it all works out for you.
<quoted text>
Yah.
Thank you.

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CunningLinguist

Alachua, FL

#231275 Jun 26, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Blondie,
I don't care what belief system you have, I accurately noted that the vast majority of historical Christianity rejects it.
You have no idea what I accept and from whom. You ASSume way too much.
There are plenty of resources available for you to learn Christian doctrine. You know that. The truth is, you are not interested in Christian doctrine, are you.
I'm curious, how many people follow your belief system? Do you think they run a food bank in my community? Did other men write your belief system, or did you make it up? How's that going?
Smile.
"New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
a. I'm not your "honey" - so your endearment is worthless."

You two need to get a room.
Clean sheets etc.
Kiss and make up.

Or you could ramp-up the hostilities to a fever pitch? My personal choice!

Then again 'faith' should solve your problems correct?

** opens Acme's newest product:'religion in a disposable, recyclable bottle'. Thousands of flavors to choose from.

Jesus abhors this type of behavior... you both should be ashamed.

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