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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Thinking

Poole, UK

#231225 Jun 26, 2014
Since religion employs censorship all the time, there is no evidence to back up your claim.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe it takes a lot of faith to believe religion requires censorship in the face of the mounting evidence that it gets along fine without it.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231226 Jun 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Since religion employs censorship all the time, there is no evidence to back up your claim.
<quoted text>
You made the claim... religion employs censorship... Not my claim, yours... Do I really need to research evidence for this? That Christianity is growing in countries where a bible can get you executed? That religion exists regardless of whether or not censorship exists. My religion only has custody of most of its' members for an hour and a half a week, yet they keep showing up in spite of all the opinions that dispute what they believe in.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#231227 Jun 26, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe it takes a lot of faith to believe religion requires censorship in the face of the mounting evidence that it gets along fine without it.
What evidence?

Not one single godbot has provided any evidence, not once in more than 2000 years
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231228 Jun 26, 2014
Is it OK to call your god a cu*t?
Yes or no?
If no, you are talking about a religion built on censorship.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
You made the claim... religion employs censorship... Not my claim, yours... Do I really need to research evidence for this? That Christianity is growing in countries where a bible can get you executed? That religion exists regardless of whether or not censorship exists. My religion only has custody of most of its' members for an hour and a half a week, yet they keep showing up in spite of all the opinions that dispute what they believe in.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#231229 Jun 26, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
You made the claim... religion employs censorship... Not my claim, yours... Do I really need to research evidence for this? That Christianity is growing in countries where a bible can get you executed? That religion exists regardless of whether or not censorship exists. My religion only has custody of most of its' members for an hour and a half a week, yet they keep showing up in spite of all the opinions that dispute what they believe in.
Say what?

Do you actually have validated evidence for your statement that “Christianity is growing in countries where a bible can get you executed?”

Compare the indoctrination into christianity with the increase in world populations and you will see it is declining everywhere but the babble belt of the USA. Declining to such an extent that there have been several synods (often inter cult/sect) to try to slow the decline.

In the UK it is estimated that christianity will be a minority religion within 35 years (that the UK, a genuine christian country whose monarch is head of the christian church in the UK)

Even Italy, the centre of the catholic church, not long ago the most devoutly religious country in the world with a takeup of close to 100% is no down to less than 70% christianity.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231230 Jun 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Wrong.
Birk.
<quoted text>
Another 'rational atheist' oxymoron bail.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231231 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
But contrary to your claim, not liable
Lots of rebuttal that you have found out to your displeasure
And of course pot kettle black comes to mind, I was not the one accusing me of made up BS and lies, that was you and it was not even hearsay, it was just verbal garbage because you had nothing to add, that was you so may I ask, project much?
Payback is a bitch eh?
And honey, I am also not the one winging about it
It fits the definition of libel. Your denial can't change it.

All it does is once again confirm your role as Queen Blondie of the 'rational atheist' oxymorons.

Snicker.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#231232 Jun 26, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
It fits the definition of libel. Your denial can't change it.
All it does is once again confirm your role as Queen Blondie of the 'rational atheist' oxymorons.
Snicker.
You already admitted it was hearsay

You seem to like backpedalling, musts be a godbot failing
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231233 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
What evidence?
Not one single godbot has provided any evidence, not once in more than 2000 years
I think what gets the most lost in these kinds of discussions is the very definition of faith. Since our topic is "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" Maybe everyone should have a clear understanding of what the word really means.

faith (n.)
mid-13c., "duty of fulfilling one's trust," from Old French feid, foi "faith, belief, trust, confidence, pledge," from Latin fides "trust, faith, confidence, reliance, credence, belief," from root of fidere "to trust,"

From the online etymology dictionary. Faith is a belief with a reliance on that belief, not to be mistaken for hope. I could go through the philosophical arguments that collectively make a strong case for belief in God that I read. But that really isn't the intention of this topic, which is to say that Atheism requires as much faith as religion.

That is to say that reliance upon the belief that there is no God means some changes in life application based upon that belief. Generally, in my life, I have found that Atheism isn't much of an applied faith... That is to say, Atheists spend a lot of time working out why they believe what they do, but they don't live out what it would actually mean to them and in their daily lives that there is no creator.

There are a lot of ideals that we, as people raised in a culture founded on christian ideals live by such as justice, equality, compassion. There really is no need for any of those if we are, in fact nothing more than the product of genetics. If we aren't created, we aren't equal and the only viable reason that we would strive for equality is that we haven't yet developed a method by which we can assign value for people. Just like every apple isn't equal, neither then, would be people.

Justice is another one, we hope that justice is done, it seems to be mixed with a bit of compassion and so we spend so much time and money to ensure that people are treated fairly by our justice system, even though that very person is the product of random, yet we try to establish this kind of order and control. But if we were consistent with the belief that only the fittest survive, why take it easy on anyone? And if we aren't right, why does it matter in the midst of meaningless survival that is destined to end and be forgotten.

Compassion is probably the most inconsistent value an atheist can have. Really, why waste your time when this world is all there is. Especially, if that person is genetically inferior, perhaps letting them die in a ditch would be better for mankind as a whole.

Yet, instead, I see atheists hold on to these values that come straight out of the bible, yet want to short change God for the glory in that. It's ridiculously inconsistent. I'm not saying Christians aren't inconsistent. There are many that do not live out the implications of their faith as well. But for this topic, I believe that a truly faithful atheist should be trying to suck every pleasure they possibly can out of this life, regardless of cost or consequence, this is, after all, all there is and it is pointless.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231234 Jun 26, 2014
Another straw man.

Morality existed long before your religion.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think what gets the most lost in these kinds of discussions is the very definition of faith. Since our topic is "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" Maybe everyone should have a clear understanding of what the word really means.
faith (n.)
mid-13c., "duty of fulfilling one's trust," from Old French feid, foi "faith, belief, trust, confidence, pledge," from Latin fides "trust, faith, confidence, reliance, credence, belief," from root of fidere "to trust,"
From the online etymology dictionary. Faith is a belief with a reliance on that belief, not to be mistaken for hope. I could go through the philosophical arguments that collectively make a strong case for belief in God that I read. But that really isn't the intention of this topic, which is to say that Atheism requires as much faith as religion.
That is to say that reliance upon the belief that there is no God means some changes in life application based upon that belief. Generally, in my life, I have found that Atheism isn't much of an applied faith... That is to say, Atheists spend a lot of time working out why they believe what they do, but they don't live out what it would actually mean to them and in their daily lives that there is no creator.
There are a lot of ideals that we, as people raised in a culture founded on christian ideals live by such as justice, equality, compassion. There really is no need for any of those if we are, in fact nothing more than the product of genetics. If we aren't created, we aren't equal and the only viable reason that we would strive for equality is that we haven't yet developed a method by which we can assign value for people. Just like every apple isn't equal, neither then, would be people.
Justice is another one, we hope that justice is done, it seems to be mixed with a bit of compassion and so we spend so much time and money to ensure that people are treated fairly by our justice system, even though that very person is the product of random, yet we try to establish this kind of order and control. But if we were consistent with the belief that only the fittest survive, why take it easy on anyone? And if we aren't right, why does it matter in the midst of meaningless survival that is destined to end and be forgotten.
Compassion is probably the most inconsistent value an atheist can have. Really, why waste your time when this world is all there is. Especially, if that person is genetically inferior, perhaps letting them die in a ditch would be better for mankind as a whole.
Yet, instead, I see atheists hold on to these values that come straight out of the bible, yet want to short change God for the glory in that. It's ridiculously inconsistent. I'm not saying Christians aren't inconsistent. There are many that do not live out the implications of their faith as well. But for this topic, I believe that a truly faithful atheist should be trying to suck every pleasure they possibly can out of this life, regardless of cost or consequence, this is, after all, all there is and it is pointless.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231235 Jun 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Another straw man.
Morality existed long before your religion.
<quoted text>
Actually, I would argue that morality is a product of my religion. That wasn't really my point, but yeah, sure, okay let's talk about morality.

On what authority do we even set values? We in the western world see injustice for what it truly is. For instance we look at the rights of women in some middle eastern countries and hopefully you look at that and say, that is not just. But in those countries, it is totally okay. To them that is what is morally right... Even when you know in your heart that it is not. It's a moral relativism that occurs when people adopt their ideas of right and wrong based on the culture around them.

So, what's the point? Yeah we've had morals forever, but what are they based on? Many cultures have established a system of morals that we know is abhorrent. But on what authority can we even establish that. Especially if we are the product of random.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#231236 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You already admitted it was hearsay
You seem to like backpedalling, musts be a godbot failing
Yes I did.

It can be both silly Queen Blondie.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#231237 Jun 26, 2014
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think what gets the most lost in these kinds of discussions is the very definition of faith. Since our topic is "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" Maybe everyone should have a clear understanding of what the word really means.
faith (n.)
mid-13c., "duty of fulfilling one's trust," from Old French feid, foi "faith, belief, trust, confidence, pledge," from Latin fides "trust, faith, confidence, reliance, credence, belief," from root of fidere "to trust,"
From the online etymology dictionary. Faith is a belief with a reliance on that belief, not to be mistaken for hope. I could go through the philosophical arguments that collectively make a strong case for belief in God that I read. But that really isn't the intention of this topic, which is to say that Atheism requires as much faith as religion.
That is to say that reliance upon the belief that there is no God means some changes in life application based upon that belief. Generally, in my life, I have found that Atheism isn't much of an applied faith... That is to say, Atheists spend a lot of time working out why they believe what they do, but they don't live out what it would actually mean to them and in their daily lives that there is no creator.
There are a lot of ideals that we, as people raised in a culture founded on christian ideals live by such as justice, equality, compassion. There really is no need for any of those if we are, in fact nothing more than the product of genetics. If we aren't created, we aren't equal and the only viable reason that we would strive for equality is that we haven't yet developed a method by which we can assign value for people. Just like every apple isn't equal, neither then, would be people.
Justice is another one, we hope that justice is done, it seems to be mixed with a bit of compassion and so we spend so much time and money to ensure that people are treated fairly by our justice system, even though that very person is the product of random, yet we try to establish this kind of order and control. But if we were consistent with the belief that only the fittest survive, why take it easy on anyone? And if we aren't right, why does it matter in the midst of meaningless survival that is destined to end and be forgotten.
Compassion is probably the most inconsistent value an atheist can have. Really, why waste your time when this world is all there is. Especially, if that person is genetically inferior, perhaps letting them die in a ditch would be better for mankind as a whole.
Yet, instead, I see atheists hold on to these values that come straight out of the bible, yet want to short change God for the glory in that. It's ridiculously inconsistent. I'm not saying Christians aren't inconsistent. There are many that do not live out the implications of their faith as well. But for this topic, I believe that a truly faithful atheist should be trying to suck every pleasure they possibly can out of this life, regardless of cost or consequence, this is, after all, all there is and it is pointless.
Faith : noun : strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.


And still no evidence

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#231238 Jun 26, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I did.
It can be both silly Queen Blondie.
Legally, no, but never mind that, either take topix and to court or stop whinging
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231239 Jun 26, 2014
No. Morality came before your religion was invented. Now you're trying to hijack some morals in the name of your religion.

Your bible says that your god drowned every baby not on the ark. I certainly reject that morality.
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I would argue that morality is a product of my religion. That wasn't really my point, but yeah, sure, okay let's talk about morality.
On what authority do we even set values? We in the western world see injustice for what it truly is. For instance we look at the rights of women in some middle eastern countries and hopefully you look at that and say, that is not just. But in those countries, it is totally okay. To them that is what is morally right... Even when you know in your heart that it is not. It's a moral relativism that occurs when people adopt their ideas of right and wrong based on the culture around them.
So, what's the point? Yeah we've had morals forever, but what are they based on? Many cultures have established a system of morals that we know is abhorrent. But on what authority can we even establish that. Especially if we are the product of random.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231240 Jun 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Faith : noun : strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
And still no evidence
Interesting definition, here I was having faith in my friends, my leaders, my loved ones. And I can only have faith in religion. And then only if there has been nothing to lead me to believe it's worth trusting someone or something.

The fact is that you, my friend, have had to put your faith in many things in your life, but I'm sure that you, like me, do not go throwing it at prospects that leave you wondering if it's well placed.
Lab28

Anaheim, CA

#231241 Jun 26, 2014
Thinking wrote:
No. Morality came before your religion was invented. Now you're trying to hijack some morals in the name of your religion.
Your bible says that your god drowned every baby not on the ark. I certainly reject that morality.
<quoted text>
Every culture that has adopted christianity has had to wrestle with some part of it. I've found that our culture wrestles with the reverence towards God, and submitting to him. It goes against our nature.
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231242 Jun 26, 2014
Your bible says god killed every baby not on the ark. Why would you collaborate with *that*?
Lab28 wrote:
<quoted text>
Every culture that has adopted christianity has had to wrestle with some part of it. I've found that our culture wrestles with the reverence towards God, and submitting to him. It goes against our nature.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#231243 Jun 26, 2014
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>
Picture if you will the illusion of an afterlife.
Will people all faiths on the planet be in either a heaven or hell?
Got already know your decisions.
Your future is predetermined by him.
Free will is a contradiction in and of itself.
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do to their fellows, because it always coincides with their own desires." ~Susan B. Anthony
was susan b a big fat butch? i REALLY distrust those!

btw - are you trying to threaten me with eternal extinction? cuz that's about the cruelest bullying tactic there is!
Thinking

Poole, UK

#231244 Jun 26, 2014
The old christard hell threatening bully playing the victim card!

And another homophobic comment. You really are helping the exodus from christianity.
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
was susan b a big fat butch? i REALLY distrust those!
btw - are you trying to threaten me with eternal extinction? cuz that's about the cruelest bullying tactic there is!

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