Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

Opal-Hearted Land

#229553 May 21, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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I believe the sexual abuse that Rosa_Winkel was referring to is the abuse systematically carried out by the catholic church over many decades and has over the last few years been exposed. It has been mostly ignored with several attempts made to hide it by the hierarchy of the church until the last couple of months, when due to constant police and press pressure the Vatican has eventually admitted the crimes of it’s employees.
But true it does go on everywhere, however if priests are to regain the trust that people once held for them then it should now not be happening to children in church. We will have to wait and see.
I agree. The Catholics have been forced to acknowledge it - finally. Here, we are having a Royal Commission into sexual abuse in institutions.

But I only mentioned that briefly @ the end of that post. There are other forms of child abuse which the churches are responsible for.

“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

Opal-Hearted Land

#229554 May 21, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Dogs get embarrassed. It's adorable.
Cute :-))

Dogs also get jealous, if you pat one and ignore another.

“True Blue”

Since: Jun 13

Opal-Hearted Land

#229555 May 21, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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I don't know what I am talking about.
Smile.
There's nothing new there.
:-)

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#229556 May 21, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Ah, the 'rational atheist' oxymoron makes a prediction.
Um, you know that was already made a thousand years ago by many 'rational atheist' oxymorons?
Smile.
Atheism a thousand years ago?
You truly are as stupid as a legendary mythological creature.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#229557 May 21, 2014
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtfu...

Gotta love those dumb 'rational atheist' oxymorons...

Smirk.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#229558 May 21, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>Cute :-))

Dogs also get jealous, if you pat one and ignore another.
Lol. Just like kids.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#229559 May 21, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism a thousand years ago?
You truly are as stupid as a legendary mythological creature.
Lol. We are of the Ancients.

"Wadda maroon."

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229560 May 21, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Dogs get embarrassed. It's adorable.
Yes, so do cats and it’s hilarious, problem is laughing at them makes it worse and so…

How to get a cat to ignore you…

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229561 May 21, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Cultural history is about 8000 years. All cultural history includes deities.
Blushing is an indication of morality.
Just how would you confirm an animal has a moral code?
You don't know what you are talking about.
Smile.
More obfuscation? WTF has cultural anything got to do with it? And the term ‘cultural history means’ different things in different parts of the world and in different disciplines. You consider it 8000 years, some experts consider it up to 14000 years (I’ll take the experts opinion over yours), latest archaeology is increasing that date all the time with recent finding say that the first civilisations arose 78,000 years ago.

But even given you statement that “All cultural history includes deities” there has never – that’s NEVER been any evidence to confirm such belief.

Blushing is an indication of embarrassment, morality has nothing to do with it

In the same way you confirm a human has a moral code, by observation. There is no point in asking a human because just like apes and pigs, we know humans can be deceitful and lie.

Oh yes I do know what I am talking about and I can prove it, how about you?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229562 May 21, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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The chance of every culture coming up with the same explanation of a fictional supernatural being(s), is ludicrous.
Ahh right so you believe in Anu or Brama, or the world turtle, if the forest spirits, or lightning, or the sun, or the moon or the aurocks, or Mithras or Odin or ice giants or talking donkeys or racism? Do you wear sacred underwear? Can you get bitten by poisonous snakes and remain unharmed? Do you wave chickens over your head to absolve you from sin? Have you had you foreskin or clitoris removed in religious ceremony?

Same explanation?

Try again.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229563 May 21, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Do you understand how bigoted and ignorant that makes you look???
Please explain how one god not standing out from the other 3700 or so gods that have been worshipped throughout history makes me look anything other than factual?

Ahh I get it, you are christian so anything that contradicts your belief in the mythology of bronze age goat herders is automatically bigoted and ignorant – right?

Do you realise how deliberately ignorant and moronic that makes you look?

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229564 May 21, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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I agree. The Catholics have been forced to acknowledge it - finally. Here, we are having a Royal Commission into sexual abuse in institutions.
But I only mentioned that briefly @ the end of that post. There are other forms of child abuse which the churches are responsible for.
I know first hand of some of the child abuse that churches are responsible for.

I am dyslexic and for 10 years of my life I suffered sustained verbal abuse by good church going christian folks because I was unable to read the babble and therefore different.

And of course is the indoctrination they impose on children, in any other grouping it would be considered child abuse and punished by imprisonment. Good godbots get away with it because god is on their side which makes them above the law – hmmm.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#229565 May 21, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, so do cats and it’s hilarious, problem is laughing at them makes it worse and so…

How to get a cat to ignore you…
Want attention.

So I read, I've never met a cat that could ignore me.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229567 May 21, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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Want attention.
So I read, I've never met a cat that could ignore me.
You must be using the right cat treats

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229568 May 21, 2014
Rodny wrote:
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Sorry to intervene, but you are wrong, and KM is right.
I suppose you never heard of atheist religions, which abounded thousands of years ago.
They believed in spirits and ancestor worship but did not have any particular gods.
So before you make derogatory remarks be sure that it doesn't backfire on you.
Methinks you need to look up the meaning of the words atheism and deity

Worship implies deity, whether that deity be a named god, a carving of an ancestor or a tree in a wooded clearing makes no difference

In the words of a wise one – atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#229570 May 21, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>You must be using the right cat treats
I haven't got any cats at the moment but when I did have them, as well as rescue ones. I gave them whatever they wanted and usually had a ball on a string hooked to my belt loop. Never with shorts though, just not worth it.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#229571 May 21, 2014
Rodny wrote:
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Sorry to intervene, but you are wrong, and KM is right.
I suppose you never heard of atheist religions, which abounded thousands of years ago.
They believed in spirits and ancestor worship but did not have any particular gods.
So before you make derogatory remarks be sure that it doesn't backfire on you.
You're of course another person who understand very little about atheism, and the reasons for it. Barring some primitive cultures that may have been superstition free or appear to have had no ritualistic belief systems, which we can only guess about.
The true concept of atheism in the western societies presented itself first with enlightenment
and the age of reason and is at best 400 years old, but truly did not revolutionize itself until the last 150. When you say "atheist religion" You remove all doubt to sanity.
We non believers know there is a learning curve between religion and enlightenment.
They curve away from each other, and you believers don't get to define what unbelievers believe. Just as the uninformed don't get to inform , nor do the unknowing ....know.

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#229572 May 21, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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I know first hand of some of the child abuse that churches are responsible for.
I am dyslexic and for 10 years of my life I suffered sustained verbal abuse by good church going christian folks because I was unable to read the babble and therefore different.
And of course is the indoctrination they impose on children, in any other grouping it would be considered child abuse and punished by imprisonment. Good godbots get away with it
because god is on their side which makes them above the law – hmmm.
Good point. What happened to you is what happens when you put untrained individuals in some sort of authority over children and charge them with the religious education of those children.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229573 May 21, 2014
Rodny wrote:
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The usual atheist offensive name calling apart, I think that what KM meant was that all reasoning people who ever lived realized that the vast universe came from somewhere. It couldn't just have happened out of nothing and nowhere, as modern atheists want us to believe.
The reason why different societies had different names for gods is just that they called them by different names. Even today the word God is totally different in most languages. As far as I know it is only called God in English
So fact is what you call name calling?

My last sentence was in direct response to the godbot statement “Do you understand how bigoted and ignorant that makes you look???” So funny how you choose not to pull that godbot up on name calling but rather you chose to have a go at the atheist. How easy it is to prove your christianity (note that is not a compliment).

Of all reasoning people who ever lived (that’s a lot of people, estimated at over 100 billion) most had no idea that the universe existed outside the shell of the earth that was believed until comparatively recently in human terms. Since that time when the universe was know about, the religions based on the god dun it wiv magic have been playing catch-up and failing.

Actually it could just have happened out of nothing, there is no scientific bar to that thesis, and atheism has little to do with it. Was it you who commented on my statement regarding doing your research before opening your mouth and some fool sticking their foot in it? Just because you don’t want to believe that something can come from nothing is your own problem and based on the rules of this universe that were created after this universe began.

BTW, may I suggest you look up the meaning of the word ‘void’ and try that one again.

One reason why different societies had different names for their deities was/is because they were different deities ranging from talking donkeys to turtles, from war gods to love goddesses, from trees and streams to spaced out dreams.

The word god is a 6th century translation of the germanic word Gott that arrived in England via the Dutch. Which basically means that all English translations of the babble are based on 6th century wording and therefore wrong in the context of the OT period, thanks for bringing that up.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#229574 May 21, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
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I haven't got any cats at the moment but when I did have them, as well as rescue ones. I gave them whatever they wanted and usually had a ball on a string hooked to my belt loop. Never with shorts though, just not worth it.
I am just recovering from a feline love bite on my arm I received on the day I returned from holiday. It seems that at least one of my little angels missed me (or decided to inflict pain because I left her)

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