Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#227645 Apr 29, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
I just watched a show called Vice on HBO. One segment was about Colorado and pot, which estimates that this year $2 billion dollars that would have gone to the Mexican drug cartels will stay in Colorado and be taxed at something like 20%. It's free market capitalism and it will be coming to a state near you.
The more interesting segment was on defectors from North to South Korea and the struggles they have. Most are sponsored by a church with a very brave minister (well, not brave enough to flex his Christian muscles on Topix every day. That is the ultimate form of bravery.) who helps them defect. He was asked how the North Koreans were embracing membership in his church.
He explained it this way: the North Koreans already have a religion. The only difference is the subject. Kim Il Sung is God. Kim Jong Il is Jesus. Their Bible is their party doctrine.
These are the words of the South Korean Christian minister. Her recognizes that Communist leaders become the religious figureheads of their societies that are, therefore, no less religious than any nation full of a Christians. The only difference is the tangibility of the god.
Here we go again with the poster punk of 'rational atheist' oxymorons:

Shiitehead would have us believe that having Kim II Sung in our neighborhood is the same as having Churches.

Proof that evil makes you stupid.

Since: Dec 12

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#227646 Apr 29, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>Here we go again with the poster punk of 'rational atheist' oxymorons:

Shiitehead would have us believe that having Kim II Sung in our neighborhood is the same as having Churches.

Proof that evil makes you stupid.
Thank you for admitting that your religion is evil.

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#227647 Apr 29, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting that your religion is evil.
There "is" no evil ...!

You , freethinkers .......keep making our point for us , Obviously morality IS objective ..

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#227648 Apr 29, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>I’m not surprised Doctor.

That’s what happens when a Chiwawa does a research study on the intelligence between German Shepherds and Chiwawas.

Of course the Chiwawa is going to claim to be a overall more intelligent and a bad a** Mother F**ker.

What Chiwawa doesn’t think that way?, lol.

[hats off to the Chiwawas!]
What's a chiwawa?

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#227649 Apr 29, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
Boohoo! Better run crying to Mummy, retard.
..But...but...I'm rubber ..and , you're ..you're.........I HATE YOU..!

I wish you were never born "Rosa_Winkel" ..!

Since: May 12

Las Vegas, NV

#227650 Apr 29, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
What's a "Chiwawa"?
A proud Native American nation , from the Appalachian mountain rage .

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#227652 Apr 29, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting that your religion is evil.
Thank you for proving 'rational atheists' are oxymorons.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#227653 Apr 29, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Im not surprised Doctor.
Thats what happens when a Chiwawa does a research study on the intelligence between German Shepherds and Chiwawas.
Of course the Chiwawa is going to claim to be a overall more intelligent and a bad a** Mother F**ker.
What Chiwawa doesnt think that way?, lol.
[hats off to the Chiwawas!]
Why am I NOT surprised by your childish and submissive response!!! You ask for verification, I give it to you, and you suddenly become embarrassed with no defense, so you do what all children do, you try and make a joke to cover up your inability to rationally defend these results, thereby proving the lower intelligence level of believers as compared to non-believers. Thanks again for, with your worthless response, validating the results of the above research.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#227654 Apr 29, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not surprised Doctor.
Thats what happens when a Chiwawa does a research study on the intelligence between German Shepherds and Chiwawas.
Of course the Chiwawa is going to claim to be a overall more intelligent and a bad a** Mother F**ker.
What Chiwawa doesnt think that way?, lol.
[hats off to the Chiwawas!]
You really should have looked up the spelling for "Chiwawa." Your response appears even more stupid.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#227655 Apr 29, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Im not surprised Doctor.
Thats what happens when a Chiwawa does a research study on the intelligence between German Shepherds and Chiwawas.
Of course the Chiwawa is going to claim to be a overall more intelligent and a bad a** Mother F**ker.
What Chiwawa doesnt think that way?, lol.
[hats off to the Chiwawas!]
Thanks for making the point once again that believers are less intelligence than non-believers, with you misspell of Chihuahua. It takes almost no intelligence at all to look up a word you are unfamiliar with. Lazy or stupid? Both maybe?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#227656 Apr 29, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Observation and experimentation, coupled with logic and experience in the world, and a minimal amount of indoctrination by self serving interests.
How is that?
Now. You prove yourself.
Oops. Sorry. I forgot. You done bit the dust.
More of your ping pong ball and fart bubble experiments?

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#227657 Apr 29, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>He was right, Goddidit is not an answer, it only deepens the non-answer. Saying Goddidit presents more questions than it answers since God is a non-existent entity. Saying a non-existent entity did anything is a logical impossibility.
You confuse your rejecting an answer with there being no answer to reject.
It was still an answer. You did not like it. You argue against your own crap sir.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#227658 Apr 29, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
I just watched a show called Vice on HBO. One segment was about Colorado and pot, which estimates that this year $2 billion dollars that would have gone to the Mexican drug cartels will stay in Colorado and be taxed at something like 20%. It's free market capitalism and it will be coming to a state near you.
The more interesting segment was on defectors from North to South Korea and the struggles they have. Most are sponsored by a church with a very brave minister (well, not brave enough to flex his Christian muscles on Topix every day. That is the ultimate form of bravery.) who helps them defect. He was asked how the North Koreans were embracing membership in his church.
He explained it this way: the North Koreans already have a religion. The only difference is the subject. Kim Il Sung is God. Kim Jong Il is Jesus. Their Bible is their party doctrine.
These are the words of the South Korean Christian minister. Her recognizes that Communist leaders become the religious figureheads of their societies that are, therefore, no less religious than any nation full of a Christians. The only difference is the tangibility of the god.
moral of story - why are you so interested in having a corrupt and narcissisitc communist/socialist leader like the north koreans instead of having the Perfect Lord Jesus Christ who loved us and gave Himself for us???

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#227659 Apr 29, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
<quoted text>Unlike Christians, Sikhs are required to leave peaceful lives. One who ran a bodega near where I used to live wore a button that explained I am a Sikh not a Muslim after 9-11.
why do you lie about Christ's Body on earth when paul commisions us to "as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men"

do you think you can besmerch God's reputation and get away with it?:

"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment" - Jesus

buckle-up friend, cuz payback is a bitch!

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#227660 Apr 29, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
A new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.
A piece of University of Rochester analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, found a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity in 53 out of 63 studies.
According to the study entitled,'The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations', published in the 'Personality and Social Psychology Review', even during early years the more intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from religion.
In old age above average intelligence people are less likely to believe, the researchers also found.
One of the studies used in Zuckerman's paper was a life-long analysis of the beliefs of 1,500 gifted children with with IQs over 135.
The study began in 1921 and continues today. Even in extreme old age the subjects had much lower levels of religious belief than the average population.
The review, which is the first systematic meta-analysis of the 63 studies conducted in between 1928 and 2012, showed that of the 63 studies, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while 10 showed a positive one.
Only two studies showed significant positive correlations and significant negative correlations were seen in a total of 35 studies.
The authors of the review looked at each study independently, taking into account the quality of data collection, the size of the sample and the analysis methods used.
The three psychologists carrying out the review defined intelligence as the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience.
Religiosity is defined by the psychologists as involvement in some (or all) facets of religion.
According to the review, other factors - such as gender or education - did not make any difference to the correlation between intelligence and religious belief.
The level of belief, or otherwise, did however vary dependent upon age with the correlation found to be weakest among the pre-college population.
The paper concludes that: "Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who 'know better'."
Criticisms of the conclusions include that the paper only deals with a definition of analytic intelligence and fails to consider newly identified forms of creative and emotional intelligence.
The psychologists who carried out the review also sought to pre-empt the secularist interpretation of the findings by suggesting that more intelligent people are less likely to have religious beliefs as they associate themselves with ideas around personal control.
"Intelligent people typically spend more time in school - a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits," the researchers wrote.
"More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs."
You're welcome!!
"Religiosity is defined by the psychologists as involvement in some (or all) facets of religion."

Amusing.

May I point out you are involved in some or all facets of religion by your preaching on here?

There is no difference between a Jew and a Christian arguing the fine points as a theist and a Topix atheist.

You are too involved to be a ratioanl atheist.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#227661 Apr 29, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
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More of your ping pong ball and fart bubble experiments?
I have a vague memory of posting that quite some time ago. However, the last line I don't remember.

Why are you reaching so far back, and why can't you post a link to the message instead of representing such words as a direct quote?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#227662 Apr 29, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>why do you lie about Christ's Body on earth when paul commisions us to "as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men"

do you think you can besmerch God's reputation and get away with it?:

"But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment" - Jesus

buckle-up friend, cuz payback is a bitch!
You should really read what you wrote.

You'd better not only buckle up, but wear a helmet and buy some Kevlar.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#227663 Apr 29, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for making the point once again that believers are less intelligence than non-believers, with you misspell of Chihuahua. It takes almost no intelligence at all to look up a word you are unfamiliar with. Lazy or stupid? Both maybe?
Really?

A 'rationally atheist' oxymoron who ran like a sissy?

You parrot atheist talking points that distort and ignore information without applying your own reasoning. Now you want to judge a faith calls people to better themselves and help others?

What a hypocrite and fraud!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#227664 Apr 29, 2014
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
"Religiosity is defined by the psychologists as involvement in some (or all) facets of religion."
Amusing.
May I point out you are involved in some or all facets of religion by your preaching on here?
There is no difference between a Jew and a Christian arguing the fine points as a theist and a Topix atheist.
You are too involved to be a ratioanl atheist.
No conversations or responses with, or to the mentally impaired, sorry!!!

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#227665 Apr 29, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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And in case anyone thinks that accusation was over the top, here's his response when I pulled him up for his sleazy talk to an underage poster.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Don't you love good Xians.
you're wrong Rosa (ya gotta luv the self-righteous anticristers)!

YOU brought slease into the scenario when you accused me for no reason of being a perv. THEN i accused you of being a perv back!

you anti's think you can do/say anything you want without being responsible, but you're in for a big surprise!

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