Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#227609 Apr 28, 2014
I just watched a show called Vice on HBO. One segment was about Colorado and pot, which estimates that this year $2 billion dollars that would have gone to the Mexican drug cartels will stay in Colorado and be taxed at something like 20%. It's free market capitalism and it will be coming to a state near you.

The more interesting segment was on defectors from North to South Korea and the struggles they have. Most are sponsored by a church with a very brave minister (well, not brave enough to flex his Christian muscles on Topix every day. That is the ultimate form of bravery.) who helps them defect. He was asked how the North Koreans were embracing membership in his church.

He explained it this way: the North Koreans already have a religion. The only difference is the subject. Kim Il Sung is God. Kim Jong Il is Jesus. Their Bible is their party doctrine.

These are the words of the South Korean Christian minister. Her recognizes that Communist leaders become the religious figureheads of their societies that are, therefore, no less religious than any nation full of a Christians. The only difference is the tangibility of the god.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#227610 Apr 28, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
<quoted text>"Good quality frozen pizza"? Hahahahahahahaha. Made with the finest chemicals from factories in New Jersey. You're a nitwit in all aspects of your life. Check.
You added olives twice?
http://youtu.be/u5AZhjhbxf8

“Aaaaaaaaaaaaah”

Since: Aug 07

Piscataway

#227611 Apr 28, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
Shocking stuff!
I really feel for the Sikh people. They're quite peaceful, I used to live near a Sikh temple.
Unlike Christians, Sikhs are required to leave peaceful lives. One who ran a bodega near where I used to live wore a button that explained I am a Sikh not a Muslim after 9-11.
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#227612 Apr 28, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
You preface your bold claim with "at this point in time", and "For this moment in time", and then conclude that NOTHING else exists.
ROTFLMAO
Yep according to you, my keyboard does not exist because you can not see it.
Don't be a dope, I know you have a keyboard because you're posting using a keyboard. As you pointed out, it is not necessary to physically see something to know it exists. Experience, observation, reason and logic all come into play.
blacklagoon

Jamaica Plain, MA

#227613 Apr 28, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
What evidence would that be that supports" higher intellectual levels for non-believers."







A new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.

A piece of University of Rochester analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies.

According to the study entitled,'The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations', published in the 'Personality and Social Psychology Review', even during early years the more intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from religion.

In old age above average intelligence people are less likely to believe, the researchers also found.

One of the studies used in Zuckerman's paper was a life-long analysis of the beliefs of 1,500 gifted children with with IQs over 135.

The study began in 1921 and continues today. Even in extreme old age the subjects had much lower levels of religious belief than the average population.

The review, which is the first systematic meta-analysis of the 63 studies conducted in between 1928 and 2012, showed that of the 63 studies, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while 10 showed a positive one.

Only two studies showed significant positive correlations and significant negative correlations were seen in a total of 35 studies.

The authors of the review looked at each study independently, taking into account the quality of data collection, the size of the sample and the analysis methods used.

The three psychologists carrying out the review defined intelligence as the “ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience”.

Religiosity is defined by the psychologists as involvement in some (or all) facets of religion.

According to the review, other factors - such as gender or education - did not make any difference to the correlation between intelligence and religious belief.

The level of belief, or otherwise, did however vary dependent upon age with the correlation found to be weakest among the pre-college population.

The paper concludes that: "Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme —the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who 'know better'."

Criticisms of the conclusions include that the paper only deals with a definition of analytic intelligence and fails to consider newly identified forms of creative and emotional intelligence.

The psychologists who carried out the review also sought to pre-empt the secularist interpretation of the findings by suggesting that more intelligent people are less likely to have religious beliefs as they associate themselves with ideas around personal control.

"Intelligent people typically spend more time in school - a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits," the researchers wrote.

"More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs."

You're welcome!!

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227614 Apr 28, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
Then he would probably think that carbon emissions are a diamond ring.
Well, he does think his shit doesn't stink. LOL

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227615 Apr 28, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I love to kick at the darkness until it bleeds light.
Or sink the knife of reality to the hilt into the belly of denial and twist it with a smirk.
You alternate between squealing like a stuck pig troll, or running like a punk sissy.
I'm in your head.
Smile.
OK. You are a proven violent sociopath.

But, we already knew that.

You are a rabid Christian terrorist.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227616 Apr 28, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That's like saying "the first president of United States" doesn't mention George Washington.
No one's listening to you...
WTF ?

I see you are you still experimenting with illegal drugs.

At least it will give your liver a break from the alcohol poisoning.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227617 Apr 28, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent. Nothing beats the high life.
But tell us, how many times did you hit your wife?
And how many lies did you tell?
Hey, it's easy to get a passport, although you don't need it to enter L.A. County.
You're not invited though.
Stay in the hot dusty desert.
And say hi to your racist buddy Don Sterling should he decide to slum over your way.
I hope a baby didn't embarrass him while eating. You know how he gets.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227618 Apr 28, 2014
Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>More love and tolerance on display,
Nope, just rabid Christians screaming their usual hatred and bigotry.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227619 Apr 28, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
NOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS!!!:-)
put your thinking cap on for a min:
do you really want to belong to a weird cult that judges each other by the size of your head and by an ambiguous IQ rating system?!
stick with just being a trekkie since they're much less harmless and probably have better social lives.....
I know one thing, that no sane person would want to be a part of your weird cult that judges people by whether they believe a 1700 year old pagan cults babbling are "The word of God".

If Christianity is "Truth" then 'Bible God' deserves to be crucified. This time cut its damn head off so it stays dead.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227620 Apr 28, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect.
That entity which was your Dad no longer exists in this dimension, time, and place. Since that is true, it is impossible to beat up your father, he is not here. there is only an urn of burned matter left as a reminder that he left.
NOTE: Since cremation has taken place there is not even a dead body to beat sir, just ashes.
Like I said ... impossible.
So the best he can do is pound dirt ? LOL

OK. I accept that.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#227621 Apr 28, 2014
No Shiite wrote:
<quoted text>Yep, all religion is to you is a cudgel to bash others. How pathetic must your life bea.
Are you saying that you don’t bash people here on topix?

You claim bashing people is pathetic?

So you are a self appointed judge that has given immunity to yourself for bashing others?

Thank you for giving us an example of a false balance.

[tipping hat]

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227622 Apr 28, 2014
I only throw back the rocks that are fling at me.

I seem to get along with everyone most of the time, except the rabid Fundies.

Seems the rabid Fundies are the problem here, no one else.

I have argued with Kate about Stregha, IANS about Humanism, Scom about Christianity and they have never become frothing at the mouth lunatics like the rabid Fundies here.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#227623 Apr 28, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
NOW WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS!!!:-)
put your thinking cap on for a min:
do you really want to belong to a weird cult that judges each other by the size of your head and by an ambiguous IQ rating system?!
stick with just being a trekkie since they're much less harmless and probably have better social lives.....
I'm sure it's better than being a kiddie fiddler, like you.
:-(
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#227624 Apr 28, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
A new review of 63 scientific studies stretching back over decades has concluded that religious people are less intelligent than non-believers.
A piece of University of Rochester analysis, led by Professor Miron Zuckerman, found “a reliable negative relation between intelligence and religiosity” in 53 out of 63 studies.
According to the study entitled,'The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations', published in the 'Personality and Social Psychology Review', even during early years the more intelligent a child is the more likely it would be to turn away from religion.
In old age above average intelligence people are less likely to believe, the researchers also found.
One of the studies used in Zuckerman's paper was a life-long analysis of the beliefs of 1,500 gifted children with with IQs over 135.
The study began in 1921 and continues today. Even in extreme old age the subjects had much lower levels of religious belief than the average population.
The review, which is the first systematic meta-analysis of the 63 studies conducted in between 1928 and 2012, showed that of the 63 studies, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while 10 showed a positive one.
Only two studies showed significant positive correlations and significant negative correlations were seen in a total of 35 studies.
The authors of the review looked at each study independently, taking into account the quality of data collection, the size of the sample and the analysis methods used.
The three psychologists carrying out the review defined intelligence as the “ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience”.
Religiosity is defined by the psychologists as involvement in some (or all) facets of religion.
According to the review, other factors - such as gender or education - did not make any difference to the correlation between intelligence and religious belief.
The level of belief, or otherwise, did however vary dependent upon age with the correlation found to be weakest among the pre-college population.
The paper concludes that: "Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme —the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who 'know better'."
Criticisms of the conclusions include that the paper only deals with a definition of analytic intelligence and fails to consider newly identified forms of creative and emotional intelligence.
The psychologists who carried out the review also sought to pre-empt the secularist interpretation of the findings by suggesting that more intelligent people are less likely to have religious beliefs as they associate themselves with ideas around personal control.
"Intelligent people typically spend more time in school - a form of self-regulation that may yield long-term benefits," the researchers wrote.
"More intelligent people get higher level jobs (and better employment (and higher salary) may lead to higher self-esteem, and encourage personal control beliefs."
You're welcome!!
I’m not surprised Doctor.

That’s what happens when a Chiwawa does a research study on the intelligence between German Shepherds and Chiwawas.

Of course the Chiwawa is going to claim to be a overall more intelligent and a bad a** Mother F**ker.

What Chiwawa doesn’t think that way?, lol.

[hats off to the Chiwawas!]

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#227625 Apr 28, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I’m not surprised Doctor.
That’s what happens when a Chiwawa does a research study on the intelligence between German Shepherds and Chiwawas.
Of course the Chiwawa is going to claim to be a overall more intelligent and a bad a** Mother F**ker.
What Chiwawa doesn’t think that way?, lol.
[hats off to the Chiwawas!]
The Chihuahua (learn to spell) and the German Shepard are both far more intelligent than you are.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#227626 Apr 28, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure it's better than being a kiddie fiddler, like you.
:-(
And in case anyone thinks that accusation was over the top, here's his response when I pulled him up for his sleazy talk to an underage poster.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

Don't you love good Xians.
Chess Jurist

Columbus, OH

#227627 Apr 28, 2014
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
<quoted text>
And in case anyone thinks that accusation was over the top, here's his response when I pulled him up for his sleazy talk to an underage poster.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Don't you love good Xians.
A permalink works best.

I assume this is your target:

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Chess Jurist

Columbus, OH

#227628 Apr 28, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
The Chihuahua (learn to spell) and the German Shepard are both far more intelligent than you are.
But less so than the African Grey:



Now that's a bird who knows a pretty tail when he sees one.

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