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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#225254 Apr 17, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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do you consider yourself the chief representative of the LGBT community? i think of rupaul and big freda as your superiors;-)
I'm hardly ashamed of being gay or being an example of a gay person. You on the other hand would make any Christian cringe.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#225255 Apr 17, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
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agreed! and socialism/humanism/atheism(sum med-up as 'gaytheism') IS THE MOST VICIOUS AND BLOOD THIRSTY OF ALL RELIGIONS PUT TOGETHER!
after all it was your founder and high priest who came up with your motto - "SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST"!:-)
Have you ever wondered what it would be like to know what you were talking about?

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#225256 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Current life?
Compared to what?
A prior life.
A future life.
Another current life.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. "
Hamlet
by Shakespeare

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#225257 Apr 17, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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I'm hardly ashamed of being gay or being an example of a gay person. You on the other hand would make any Christian cringe.
Why would you be ashamed to be gay? I don't get that.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#225258 Apr 17, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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A prior life.
A future life.
Another current life.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. "
Hamlet
by Shakespeare
I don't believe in prior lives or future lives.

Even if my friend Bill says otherwise.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#225259 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Your mistakingly assuming that God needs to judge us. Of course He doesn't need to, He already knows what we've done.
The judgment of God is designed to do a few things to us. It's designed to frighten us, to sober us, to humble us and to reassure us.
I neither mistook nor assumed anything Redneck.
>YOU< said that God would ask for a personal account of your life on JUDGEMENT DAY son, not me.

Well kid, it sure as all hell did not, nor would not frighten me.
It has not and will not sober me. I can do that already myself.
I already am humble when and where appropriate.
I have all the reassurance I need already.

AND

If there is no need to judge us ... as you say in your first sentence ... then intelligent folks want to know why you say it is needed to frighten, sober, humble, and reassure us, in your very next sentence.

Seems to me that the prodigal son's father had a better feel for love than how you describe your God's love through a "judgment" rather than a simple gesture of open arms and a big hug and welcome home embrace.
<smile>

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#225260 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I find it strange that you bother to keep track.
We just live in worlds that are so different.

I give my employees lots of flexibility.

You're like in the military.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#225261 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I find it strange that you bother to keep track.
I find it strange that you do not bother to stay on the same track when attempting rebuttal or explanations. It is obvious to me that this happens simply because you attempt "complete" explanations of things you do not understand, by countering your own position in the same post.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#225262 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe in prior lives or future lives.
Even if my friend Bill says otherwise.
Buck believes in reincarnation.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#225263 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I don't believe in prior lives or future lives.
Even if my friend Bill says otherwise.
I see. So you now recant your words concerning your own life after death and judgment day?

Ya know Redneck, I really do not give a rat's patoot what you believe, but it seems like a good idea to me to at least remain consistent in your claims. After all, it's your own life/lives with which you toy.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#225264 Apr 17, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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Buck believes in reincarnation.
And I have lots of evidence.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#225265 Apr 17, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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I see. So you now recant your words concerning your own life after death and judgment day?
Ya know Redneck, I really do not give a rat's patoot what you believe, but it seems like a good idea to me to at least remain consistent in your claims. After all, it's your own life/lives with which you toy.
"As we live through thousands of dreams in our present life, so is our present life only one of many thousands of such lives which we enter from the other more real life and then return after death. Our life is but one of the dreams of that more real life, and so it is endlessly, until the very last one, the very real the life of God." - Leo Tolstoy

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#225266 Apr 17, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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I see. So you now recant your words concerning your own life after death and judgment day?
Ya know Redneck, I really do not give a rat's patoot what you believe, but it seems like a good idea to me to at least remain consistent in your claims. After all, it's your own life/lives with which you toy.
Most geniuses believe in reincarnation.

"I am in exact accord with the belief of Thomas Edison that spirit is immortal, that there is a continuing center of character in each personality. But I donít know what spirit is, nor matter either. I suspect they are forms of the same thing. I never could see anything in this reputed antagonism between spirit and matter. To me this is the most beautiful, the most satisfactory from a scientific standpoint, the most logical theory of life. For thirty years I have leaned toward the theory of Reincarnation. It seems a most reasonable philosophy and explains many things."

-Henry Ford
IPSEC

Arlington, TX

#225267 Apr 17, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Come at you?
If I came at you, your ass would be whipped on less ground than it takes you to shit on.
I'm not an internet tough guy. I've done time for being what I claim to be.
Oooooooh, you're soooooo scawy, Internet tough guy. Bring it. I'll send you an address.

You're an idiot.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#225268 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Why would you be ashamed to be gay? I don't get that.
Waaasup seems to think I should be.*shrugs* He is a bit messed up in the sexuality dept. if you haven't noticed. ;)
IPSEC

Arlington, TX

#225269 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh?
I asked you what hope atheism gives you.
You replied; "It brings me hope that people will abandon silly superstition and embrace reality."
Then I commented on how you're that atheist that admits atheist can be a motivator.
How am I reading that wrong?
Because that hope is not atheism as a motivator but as a result, knucklehead.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#225270 Apr 17, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Most geniuses believe in reincarnation.
I guess I'm the exception.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#225271 Apr 17, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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And I have lots of evidence.
Not good, reliable, object evidence though.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#225272 Apr 17, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Current life?

Compared to what?
The better one you hope exists after you die.
IPSEC

Arlington, TX

#225274 Apr 17, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
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AA has worked for thousands for over the last 75 years. The reason for this kind of success is simple. It has saved countless lives.
My friend, the bits and pieces of your life experiences are coming together. I will not debase you for we are all members of the human race. My very own brother was a hopeless alcoholic. His wife died about 4 years ago from drug & alcohol addiction.
Mark, whom I have mentioned before was able to break free by the grace of God. His life was incredibly dysfunctional for over 20 years. Now he is dealing with the repercussions of his addiction by watching the dysfunction in his sons lives. They have not broken free.
I have my doubts a secular drug and alcohol treatment would have helped him. I donít think it would have been powerful enough to have made a difference. When I say he was hopelessly addicted, I just canít stress that enough. He has been living free and clean for over 6 years. Today he is a productive and law abiding member of our society.
Actually, no, despite your anecdote, AA has a success rate less than no program at all. Their documented 5 percent success rate is no thing more than spontaneous remission because some people will just stop attempting to kill themselves. An alcohol program that has a five percent success rate really then has a zero percent success rate.

When one of those people who is going to quit drinking anyway, or who did already just quit, walks into an A.A. meeting, A.A. is happy to take all of the credit for that success story, while disavowing any responsibility for all of those other people who walk in, are disgusted by what they see, and walk right back out, and relapse. That is grossly dishonest.

On their own

"There is a high rate of recovery among alcoholics and addicts, treated and untreated. According to one estimate, heroin addicts break the habit in an average of 11 years. Another estimate is that at least 50% of alcoholics eventually free themselves although only 10% are ever treated. One recent study found that 80% of all alcoholics who recover for a year or more do so on their own, some after being unsuccessfully treated. When a group of these self-treated alcoholics was interviewed, 57% said they simply decided that alcohol was bad for them. Twenty-nine percent said health problems, frightening experiences, accidents, or blackouts persuaded them to quit. Others used such phrases as "Things were building up" or "I was sick and tired of it." Support from a husband or wife was important in sustaining the resolution."

Treatment of Drug Abuse and Addiction ó Part III, The Harvard Mental Health Letter, Volume 12, Number 4, October 1995, page 3.
(See Aug.(Part I), Sept.(Part II), Oct. 1995 (Part III).)

Many AA members are confusing causation with correlation, or causation with coincidence. They fail to see that they go to AA meetings because they want to quit drinking, not that they want to quit drinking because they go to AA meetings. And the reason that they finally quit drinking is because they really want to quit ó want it so strongly that they finally really do it. And the commonest reason for quitting is because people just get sick and tired of being sick and tired, and wish to avoid death.

A recent review by the Cochrane Library, a health-care research group, of studies on alcohol treatment conducted between 1966 and 2005 states its results plainly:

"No experimental studies unequivocally demonstrated the effectiveness of AA or TSF [12-step facilitation] approaches for reducing alcohol dependence or problems."

We're addicted to rehab. It doesn't even work., By Bankole A. Johnson, The Washington Post, Sunday, August 8, 2010

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...

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