Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#223020 Apr 4, 2014
O G Kush wrote:
<quoted text>
My mother taught me all I needed to know about RELIGION .
"You better pray that will come out of the carpet."
The position of the atheist is that the theist has not successfully met his or her burden of proof.
Proof, with regard to gods rests solely with the side claiming their existence.
When phrased to focus on faith, the claim typically centers on a fundamental misunderstanding of the meaning of atheism.
They have erroneously convinced themselves that atheism means absolute certainty that no gods exist.
They reason that to be absolutely certain without proof is a form of faith.
Atheism is not about certainty at all; it is about doubt.
Therefore I remain dubious until evidence surfaces to the contrary.
My Dear father was an Atheist. Hard core Atheist nearly all of his adult life. He was always trying to convert me to Atheism. When he was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer he remained an Atheist.
Until he had a life changing event six months before he died. I wonít go into the details other than he left Atheism and had the proof he needed.

Itís like treasure hunting in a way. If you never go treasure hunting you will never find treasure. Some professional treasure hunters go years without a find but they keep searching. Until that one day they find a sunken 18th century ship laden with gold & silver.

Most Atheist want someone to bring them proof. If you never go on the hunt you never reap the bounty,
tricki

Boyertown, PA

#223021 Apr 4, 2014
O G Kush wrote:
<quoted text>
My mother taught me all I needed to know about RELIGION .
"You better pray that will come out of the carpet."
The position of the atheist is that the theist has not successfully met his or her burden of proof.
Proof, with regard to gods rests solely with the side claiming their existence.
When phrased to focus on faith, the claim typically centers on a fundamental misunderstanding of the meaning of atheism.
They have erroneously convinced themselves that atheism means absolute certainty that no gods exist.
They reason that to be absolutely certain without proof is a form of faith.
Atheism is not about certainty at all; it is about doubt.
Therefore I remain dubious until evidence surfaces to the contrary.
You can't have any doubts as a Christian. Verboten
tricki

Boyertown, PA

#223022 Apr 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
That is correct.
Love is conditional.
I don't believe that unconditional love exists.
Unconditional love exists. Consequences for disobedience exist.

Not one of you can see past the end of your noses
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#223023 Apr 4, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent point.
Satan and his gang may not find God compelling but certainly found he was capable of propelling their hind end into the abyss.

I bet they all have a cowboy boot imprint on their a**.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#223024 Apr 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Since there is no violation of the Constitution, the conversation has switched over to violation of school policy, specifically disruptive conduct in class.
You misunderstood. Constitutional law as interpreted by the Supreme Court forbids school officials from promoting religion or leading prayers, but it also protects the rights of students to practice their faiths during school hours as long as it doesn't interfere with school activities or impinge on the rights of other students. Disruptive behavior is governed by school policy, the religious rights of the students by constitutional law. Which one applies depends on the situation.

The conversation, then, involves both constitutional law and school policy. There's no "switch," only a view that encompasses both and applies each where appropriate.
tricki

Boyertown, PA

#223025 Apr 4, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
My Dear father was an Atheist. Hard core Atheist nearly all of his adult life. He was always trying to convert me to Atheism. When he was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer he remained an Atheist.
Until he had a life changing event six months before he died. I wonít go into the details other than he left Atheism and had the proof he needed.
Itís like treasure hunting in a way. If you never go treasure hunting you will never find treasure. Some professional treasure hunters go years without a find but they keep searching. Until that one day they find a sunken 18th century ship laden with gold & silver.
Most Atheist want someone to bring them proof. If you never go on the hunt you never reap the bounty,
These atheists have abundant proof, like everyone else. They like to mock and repeat slogans from their indoctrination. They are demon possessed FOOLS with their fate sealed

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#223026 Apr 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I'm proud of him for that. He shows an ability to hold his temptations better than anyone I've ever known.

Of course someone like you would probably be proud of their child having sex at 13.... "Good boy, mini-IPSEC!"
Or maybe you just don't know.

Or maybe he's gay.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#223027 Apr 4, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>I guess for you since you are on his team.
Go team!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#223028 Apr 4, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>My Dear father was an Atheist. Hard core Atheist nearly all of his adult life. He was always trying to convert me to Atheism. When he was diagnosed with stage 4 lung cancer he remained an Atheist.
Until he had a life changing event six months before he died. I won’t go into the details other than he left Atheism and had the proof he needed.

It’s like treasure hunting in a way. If you never go treasure hunting you will never find treasure. Some professional treasure hunters go years without a find but they keep searching. Until that one day they find a sunken 18th century ship laden with gold & silver.

Most Atheist want someone to bring them proof. If you never go on the hunt you never reap the bounty,
Is that the same version you've told before.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#223029 Apr 4, 2014
One of my daughters just gave birth to my first grandchild. I offered only this advice: "You will receive unsolicited advice from almost everyone about almost every aspect of infant care and child rearing. Be polite, but trust your own instincts. You are so much smarter and wiser than I was when I became a parent. You'll do just fine."

And she will.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#223030 Apr 4, 2014
tricki wrote:
<quoted text>
Unconditional love exists. Consequences for disobedience exist.
Not one of you can see past the end of your noses
Give me an example of human unconditional love and I'll show you why you're wrong.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#223031 Apr 4, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
You misunderstood. Constitutional law as interpreted by the Supreme Court forbids school officials from promoting religion or leading prayers, but it also protects the rights of students to practice their faiths during school hours as long as it doesn't interfere with school activities or impinge on the rights of other students. Disruptive behavior is governed by school policy, the religious rights of the students by constitutional law. Which one applies depends on the situation.
The conversation, then, involves both constitutional law and school policy. There's no "switch," only a view that encompasses both and applies each where appropriate.
Well no actually, the US Constitution does not prohibit teachers or school officials from promoting religion, it only prohibits Congress from establishing a national religion.

There are school policies about disruption in class, and I could honestly see how a prayer could be seen as a disruption. But I could also see how texting or shuffling cards or farting could be disruptive. None of those following the guidelines of the US Constitution.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#223032 Apr 4, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
Or maybe you just don't know.
Or maybe he's gay.
Nope. I know my son, you don't. You're just trying to piss me off, I already told you that you can't.

Just give it up.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#223033 Apr 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. I know my son, you don't. You're just trying to piss me off, I already told you that you can't.

Just give it up.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh.

Yup were being serious.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#223034 Apr 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
In my old church, it was always the individual that was responsible for their own actions. It was always the individual that took the blame, whether they listened to God's advice whether they listened to the devil's tricks.
I've always been taught, and I've always agreed, that every action we make is of our own doing and we all bear full responsibility for our actions, whether they're good or bad.
That's nice. But it wasn't my experience.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#223035 Apr 4, 2014
Divinity Surgeon wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep and perpetrated by heterosexual males, in the majority that is.
Some heterosexual females are quite foul as well but they mostly just let their little girls get raped.
I like that our country provides for down and out single mums, they don't need to be that desperate for a man.
Yeah, it's sick. Let the boys inside deal with the scumbag, I've been told exactly HOW.

I would really enjoy teaching the dumb slut mother a lesson.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#223036 Apr 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Well no actually, the US Constitution does not prohibit teachers or school officials from promoting religion, it only prohibits Congress from establishing a national religion.
There are school policies about disruption in class, and I could honestly see how a prayer could be seen as a disruption. But I could also see how texting or shuffling cards or farting could be disruptive. None of those following the guidelines of the US Constitution.
I wrote, "the Constitution "AS INTERPRETED BY THE SUPREME COURT," not just "the Constitution." Texting, shuffling cards, and farting require no exceptions because they are not constitutionally protected activities. Praying is.

Are you twisting logic deliberately just to get my goat or are you really that thick-headed?

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#223037 Apr 4, 2014
number four wrote:
<quoted text>...cool...You responded ..to my post ....smile emoticon ...
I've been thinking about you ...why , did ....the powers ....turn ...
So , brutal ...against ..homosexuals ...every religion ...?
what do you think happened ....from "Classical " .....to...." Hellenistic " .....why , the sea change ...???
Not EVERY religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganymede_%28myth...

You can see why the Ancient Greeks were so accepting, when even their head god did it.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#223038 Apr 4, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
I wrote, "the Constitution "AS INTERPRETED BY THE SUPREME COURT," not just "the Constitution." Texting, shuffling cards, and farting require no exceptions because they are not constitutionally protected activities. Praying is.
Are you twisting logic deliberately just to get my goat or are you really that thick-headed?
I'm a little bit thickheaded, yes.

The Supreme Court also ruled that a corporation is an individual, neat huh?

I really don't give a shit what the Supreme Court rules when it goes against what our Constitution says. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a school board or schoolteacher cannot pray in class or cannot have a prayer over the PA system. The Constitution only refers to Congress in that it cannot enact a national religion.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#223040 Apr 4, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
You know I was always under the impression that christianity was meant to be an honest and original religion and had nothing to do with stealing ideas from other beliefs Ė LOL
Itís as though Horus and Atun and the Tanakh and Yule and Eostra and Saturnalia etc never existed
Kind of weird that that it should adopt the Greek scapegoat idea to avoid having to apportion blame on their god for the bad bits.
Yeah, they're such original thinkers. LOL

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