Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Mar 09

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#222064 Mar 28, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
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Um...it was taught to me.
Right from the start.
Then I think that was a poor choice by whoever did it and it doesn't surprise me you left the faith

But I don't think its a common practice

Unfortunately, you were one of the people it happened to

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#222065 Mar 28, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>He actually doesn't say 'alone'
Just as Jesus says in the Good Samaritan that those that do this (love their neighbor) shall live. In that particular passage he doesn't add they also must believe in God. But he makes that clear repeatedly in other places.
You have to look at scripture as a whole. People aren't going to repeat every thing, every time they say something. You look at all the teachings combined to get the full message
I have no idea why Paul says that about child rearing. Although that is after sinning but in Galatians it is made clear that salvation is the same be it man or woman, Jew or Gentile
There are a few exceptions where I have no explanation for the seemingly apparent contradiction. I have brought this one up myself. I have no idea what Paul is talking about. The authors were inspired to write and had the autonomy to do so which is why sometimes you see some things reflecting more of a personal perspective. He never claims Jesus taught this. Personally I think Paul wasn't a big fan of women.
I am honest when it comes to how I interpret things. As best as I can be anyway. This is just what it looks like IMO. Something that really shouldn't be. But in hundreds of thousands of verses you get a fee that leave you scratching your head. I always defer to the teachings of Christ if there is even a question
So if the Bible says something that you don't understand or like, then just ignore it? Paul says women must give birth to be saved. That's pretty ridiculous I agree, but that's what it says. I agree that Paul was a misogynist. Actually, he was pretty loathsome all-around, and as you implied previously he also arguably contradicted alot of things Jesus said too. So do we just cherry-pick what Paul said? Or maybe we do like some other "red letter" Christians sects do and just focus on what Jesus said? Here is my advice: don't take an ancient book of collected documents of dubious provenance quite so seriously. Just be nice to other people and live a decent life. If any God would send you to hell for that, then that God is not worth veneration anyway.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#222066 Mar 28, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>People can make anything complicated.
But really it boils down to the two greatest commandments. Those two are very simple
And some things are more complicated. But they also are nearly as crucial, even though it helps to know them. But if someone lived by nothing other than love God and love their neighbor they would basically be fine. The rest is more about instruction and example and history.
There are people who decide they don't need to know all the Bible because they have made the two greatest commandments the driving force behind their life. I learn more because I like learning it and because I struggle mightily sometimes with the second greatest commandment. But really the only people I feel really better know it are the ones who try to use it as a club to beat others with. Then again, if they did know it, they should know that contradicts it.
I guess my main point is though that what you must know is simple. As for the rest, people can delve in as much as they are personally moved to. It dies get more advanced to learn. But the simple parts are enough to get by. I know people who probably don't know 50 verses and are some if the nicest, most loving, dedicated Christians I know. Learning the Bible and living the Bible are two very different things. And what you need to know to live it is pretty simple
I think we agree more than disagree. But as I said before, live a moral life and don't worry about it. I don't see why God needs our love or even acknowledgement. Hopefully the universe wasn't created by Tinkerbelle..

Since: Mar 09

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#222067 Mar 28, 2014
Edit Wilde

Also should add people are saved through grace alone. But the reasons God will save them with his grace is if they are obedient and faithful until the end

Also grace sometimes is being distinguished from works of law. Works of law is the Pharisees who thought simply by following the law they could be saved, even without belief
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#222068 Mar 28, 2014
wilderide wrote:
So at some undefined point someone who sins enough can never be saved anymore? They are hopeless, even if they reform and repent later? And regardless, when Paul says that people are saved by grace alone, he is wrong. So that is still a glaring error. Especially considering Paul then contradicts himself by insisting that women must be saved by faith and childbirth, which means women who are sterile are hopeless.

golly, what would be the limit? my my.

wildebeest does not present this faux dilemma cause she thinks it can't be clarified. she, once again, is running from the simple atheist test. i promised to answer all her most confounding questions
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#222069 Mar 28, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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So if the Bible says something that you don't understand or like, then just ignore it? Paul says women must give birth to be saved. That's pretty ridiculous I agree, but that's what it says. I agree that Paul was a misogynist. Actually, he was pretty loathsome all-around, and as you implied previously he also arguably contradicted alot of things Jesus said too. So do we just cherry-pick what Paul said? Or maybe we do like some other "red letter" Christians sects do and just focus on what Jesus said? Here is my advice: don't take an ancient book of collected documents of dubious provenance quite so seriously. Just be nice to other people and live a decent life. If any God would send you to hell for that, then that God is not worth veneration anyway.
if a man will not work,
neither shall he eat

Since: Mar 09

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#222070 Mar 28, 2014
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
So if the Bible says something that you don't understand or like, then just ignore it? Paul says women must give birth to be saved. That's pretty ridiculous I agree, but that's what it says. I agree that Paul was a misogynist. Actually, he was pretty loathsome all-around, and as you implied previously he also arguably contradicted alot of things Jesus said too. So do we just cherry-pick what Paul said? Or maybe we do like some other "red letter" Christians sects do and just focus on what Jesus said? Here is my advice: don't take an ancient book of collected documents of dubious provenance quite so seriously. Just be nice to other people and live a decent life. If any God would send you to hell for that, then that God is not worth veneration anyway.
Wow

Are you this difficult to get along with in real life?

I said out of hundreds of thousands of verses there are a couple I have trouble understanding because they seem to contradict. In those very rare instances I always defer to the teachings of Jesus as there are no verses that he taught that I have any trouble understanding and it is right from Jesus direct.

If you consider that igniting verses and cherry picking I don't know what to tell you. And since I can't have children not sure how I'd follow it anyway!

I have noticed your pattern of even when someone bends over backwards to concede something in the spirit of honesty and sincere debate instead if bring gracious about it you use is as an opportunity to be a douchebag

Since: Mar 09

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#222071 Mar 28, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Hopefully the universe wasn't created by Tinkerbelle..
You must be a blast at parties

I think we are done again

Nobody can say I haven't repeatedly tried
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#222072 Mar 28, 2014
bob the lying, bratty boob

"I remained brainwashed in that cult for most of my life"

did they shoot your dog? and commit suicide? did you attend that awful church wearing a dress? aradia religitarded, is that you?

Since: Mar 09

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#222073 Mar 28, 2014
tricki wrote:
<quoted text>
if a man will not work,
neither shall he eat
Thats true

Although keep in mind when applying that verse that the circumstances were work was available and people were capable of doing it but instead basically tried to steal the wages in terms of food that was paid to those who did the work

I have no idea how you apply it as I don't know you but I have seen some use it to justify not helping the poor and hungry without even looking into how they became that way

(T) Peace

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#222074 Mar 28, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
Edit Wilde
Also should add people are saved through grace alone. But the reasons God will save them with his grace is if they are obedient and faithful until the end
Also grace sometimes is being distinguished from works of law. Works of law is the Pharisees who thought simply by following the law they could be saved, even without belief
Can a childless woman who is faithful and lives a moral life be saved? Paul sez no.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#222075 Mar 28, 2014
tricki wrote:
<quoted text>
if a man will not work,
neither shall he eat
If you don't have a baby then you are going to hell.

“The true real is unseen”

Since: May 10

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#222076 Mar 28, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I was indoctrinated against my will, as a baby, to belong to the cult that is Genuine Christianity™.
I remained brainwashed in that cult for most of my life, finally able to set myself free from the brain-damage that is faith, by simply reading the **whole** bible, and not just the pretty bits (as you no doubt do).
Once I realized how incredibly ugly and evil the bible is? I also realized that no god who GAVE A DAMN would have permitted the ugly bible to even exist at all.
So, clearly, there is no such being.
If god exists? God does not care one bit about the collective fate of humanity.
The proof is the very existence of the bible, the quoran, the book of mormon, the <insert religious book here> ...
Congratulations.

And after you left Christianity, you got indoctrinated into Atheism.

Not much of an improvement IMO.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#222077 Mar 28, 2014
tricki wrote:
Told ya.
NEXT!
<quoted text>
Told me what? You haven't told me anything.

Why do you think making up things about me will help your position?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#222078 Mar 28, 2014
tricki wrote:
"No. Go ahead. Put your hand on a burning stove. Good move. I say this with Satan's love in my heart."
- your post 222047
tricki wrote:
I was indoctrinated from an early age by people like Bob not to believe in God nor the bible and that religion is horrible and evil.
Bolagna! They are nuts. These narrow minded bigots deceive themselves into believing that they are the new intelligentsia. The best and the brightest. The intellectuals of our Times. Everything is beneath them. They alone have been chosen to proselytize the world into correct thinking. The mere mention of God is highly offensive to self-appointed preachers of no-god. They scream in subtle ways the hell, fire and stupidity of the average religious boob, who wastes his life contemplating how many angels could fit on the end of a pin.
UNTIL LIFE OVERWHELMS THEM AND THEN THEY CRY OUT TO THEIR GOD, ANY GOD WHO WILL LISTEN, HOW DESPERATELY THEY NEED HIS HELP. LIKE THE passengers on a doomed flight with 30 seconds of terror left to live. GOD becomes more important than all else in strides, beloved.
<quoted text>
You are a fraud.

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#222079 Mar 28, 2014
mtimber wrote:
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So what moral standard are you using to judge the bible with?
If you don't mind other poster's opinions....here is mine:

I use the facts based upon archeological finds and literary scholars to come to the conclusion that what is read today IS NOT what was intended.

Too many changes cause the Bible to be in error of its teachings.

...and you? What is your standard?

“What are you looking at?”

Since: Jan 08

Albuquerque, NM

#222080 Mar 28, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Rapture away dude! Bye!
I betcha the video would go viral!!

:o)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#222081 Mar 28, 2014
Thinking wrote:
You believe in a god that killed every child that was not on the ark. What a psycho.
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I didn’t realize that’s what you call those who design & launch life boats,“Psycho?”

Psycho?

So all these people that have ever launched a life boat from a sinking ship or a oil platform you call,“Psycho?”

What would you call those that didn’t get in the life boat when they were perfectly able to?

Victims, unwise or just foolish?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#222082 Mar 28, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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Can a childless woman who is faithful and lives a moral life be saved? Paul sez no.
Paul who?

Paul McCartney?

Paul Simon?

John Paul?

And where did this Paul say these things you claim?

Please offer a reference.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#222083 Mar 28, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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If you don't have a baby then you are going to hell.
Says who?

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