Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#221465 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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We are going to have to agree to disagree. I just don't see how space and time cannot be infinite, but God can. Nor do I see how a cyclical universe needed a first cycle or else no cycle would exist. I see no problem with having a universe with infinite space and yet still be able to measure parts of it, i.e. one can take finite parts from something infinite. I think you just don't like the idea of infinity except in the special case of a creator..
A finite part prohibits the whole from being infinite. Each succession will be the next finite quantity, and so on, and always. Physical existence prohibits infinity.

Nothing that physically exists can be infinite. It is impossible.

The creator, as theorized, would be "atemporal", not infinite.



"The infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite is solely that of an idea."

-David Hilbert, one of the greatest mathematicians in history

"Actual infinity does not exist. What we call infinite is only the endless possibility of creating new objects no matter how many exist already"

-French mathematician Henri Poincare

"Infinity is merely a figure of speech which helps us talk about limits"

-German mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss

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#221466 Mar 26, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. that makes sense ..
.. my problem with ID is using the hypothesis to sneak Christianity back into the classroom when parental preferences like atheism, Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism become disparaged, stigmatized and ultimately condemned ..
.. did you know the controversy over creationalism and ID has prevented evolution from being emphasized in science curricula in a manner commensurate with its importance? Pubic school teachers regularly face administrative pressure to minimize the teaching of evolution. Trust me, it's true ..
ID is not Christianity, or Judaism, or any religion, and there is not even an organized effort to have it taught in classrooms.

This is propaganda put out by people who want to control the discussion and have their own philosophical materialism forced on students.

From the Discovery Institute:

3. Should public schools require the teaching of intelligent design?

" No. Instead of mandating intelligent design, Discovery Institute recommends that states and school districts focus on teaching students more about evolutionary theory, including telling them about some of the theory's problems that have been discussed in peer-reviewed science journals. In other words, evolution should be taught as a scientific theory that is open to critical scrutiny, not as a sacred dogma that can't be questioned. We believe this is a common-sense approach that will benefit students, teachers, and parents."

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#221467 Mar 26, 2014
Phantom2010 wrote:
<quoted text>Nature is why many spontaneously believe in God.

To see nature the universe and people and spontaneously believe it all happened on it's own, is to be indoctrinated by others and is a made up irrational mental concept.
Not understanding, or caring to try to understand, nature can lead to spontaneously believe in god.

Not being satisfied with simplistic answers leads to true understanding of nature.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#221469 Mar 26, 2014
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>yes i was being serious. understanding our true identity is much less noble & profound than high school kids developing alliances around fornication preferences tho i'm sure;-)
You see, YOU'RE the reason such a group is needed.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#221470 Mar 26, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>I can't help but think of how your tone would change if I had your shirt collar in my grip.
When you have no argument, resort to violence.

“The Bible is no science book”

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#221471 Mar 26, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
This will be my last post on Topix.
In the past three years, I have shared part of self in numerous ways -- hopefully with introspection, insight and humor. I've enjoyed my debates with Buck, HFY, AIN and many others.
Goodbye all.
Going to miss you very much. Drop in once in a while and say hello?

“The Bible is no science book”

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#221472 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, just what I thought. No one jot, one tittle, one iota of an example where ID has led to scientific discovery or improved our lives. And, you already admitted it wasn't falsifiable. Fail.
That's because they don't do any scientific research. They take articles or papers on other true scientists and sit and think and write what they think is wrong with the ideas and principles in the work. That is all they do. Rewrite with a religious slant, all honest scientists body of work. They do NO work. Just tear down. And then say they are scientific.

Scientific my foot. You cant make a discovery when you do no work.

So I agree, a complete FAIL

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#221473 Mar 26, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>read your profile. No intelligence. You fail.. Again.
Get a job, defrocked preacher. Stop being a taker.
Got caught in the depths of stupidity again, didn't you?

Now you resort to ugly troll behavior.

Now that's classic 'rational atheist' oxymoron behavior!

“The true real is unseen”

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#221475 Mar 26, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You got ANYTHING else?
No?
We thought as much-- "personal testimonies" is the ONLY thing you got.
You better pray for some more GOD-GOO.
So your three posts can be summed up this way.

You don't believe in anything. You may believe in some science. But a wise Creator and God, you would rather gouge your eye out than believe God is real. I wonder why.(rhetorical question)

“The true real is unseen”

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#221476 Mar 26, 2014
wilderide wrote:
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You are missing the point. Most cultures invent deities to explain such things as you describe, and yet they each describe different gods and mythologies, the Hebrews (and later, Christians) included. If every culture spontaneously had the same deity, that might be an argument for a specific outside agency. But instead they all create deities which reflect their own values.
My conclusion: religion is just projection, and humans have a tendency to be irrational and believe in supernatural forces. It's part of our psychological make-up. All of us fall into magical thinking in one way or other.
And what is your explanation as to why your spontaneous beliefs are irrational and magical?

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#221477 Mar 26, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Many atheists think Christ existed.
Stalin was an atheist, he murdered and tortured for atheism, and he sought to produce an atheist Russia.
No honest person denies this.
Yes and many atheists believe christ was an anarchist, murderer and terrorist who was crucified for his crimes against the state, in fact there is more evidence for this stance than that he was the son of a god and a teacher of which there is no evidence.

Stalin murdering, yes this is true, exactly what he did and there is evidence to confirm it, but for atheism? I think not, more for nationalism and no honest person denies this

Stalin – opened 25000 churches
Stalin on Russian Channel 1 - Christ existed in the past
Journalist- It is interesting that from all the Kremlin residents, maybe, just Stalin believed in god
Stalins Daughter – When I said to my father “But Christ didn’t exist” Stalin replied “Oh No, Christ surely existed”

No honest person denies this because it is documented.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#221478 Mar 26, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
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When you have no argument, resort to violence.
That’s our buck

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#221480 Mar 26, 2014
Phantom2010 wrote:
<quoted text> That makes no sense.
Sharing the personal experiences of a trip to Ireland to a person is by no means trying to convince the person to make the trip to Ireland.
you did not think that through

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#221481 Mar 26, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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There is no number line.
You show it to me, and I'll show you why it isn't infinite.
there is a school near you

get some
Thinking

Cupar, UK

#221482 Mar 26, 2014
You should have specified "get some education", you know how Puck Frick fantasises.
karl44 wrote:
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there is a school near you
get some

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#221483 Mar 26, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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A finite part prohibits the whole from being infinite. Each succession will be the next finite quantity, and so on, and always. Physical existence prohibits infinity.
Nothing that physically exists can be infinite. It is impossible.
The creator, as theorized, would be "atemporal", not infinite.
"The infinite is nowhere to be found in reality. It neither exists in nature nor provides a legitimate basis for rational thought. The role that remains for the infinite is solely that of an idea."
-David Hilbert, one of the greatest mathematicians in history
"Actual infinity does not exist. What we call infinite is only the endless possibility of creating new objects no matter how many exist already"
-French mathematician Henri Poincare
"Infinity is merely a figure of speech which helps us talk about limits"
-German mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss
No matter how you spell it , you can call it "atemporal" if you like.
That just means all time cannot be counted, and something can be infinite.
Shifting words around to suit you can't change that fact. It's exactly the same as you saying...

Nothing can be infinite, except...something infinite.

“let's do this thang!”

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#221484 Mar 26, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. when religion realizes the very idea of original sin and the belief that we are lost and require salvation becomes recognized for what it is -- an allegory symbolic of nature ..
alas - so you want to own the nature that you didn't create and reject the One who did create it!

don't you think that Creator might have a lil something to say about that?
yes - Jesus perfectly explained this in a parable what's gonna happen to those who He rented out His 'vineyard' to, but refused to give it back and killed those who were sent to collect!

God is patient because some like me come to their senses and repent, but He's not gonna endure the earth when it becomes monopolized by those who won't!:-)

“Ditat Deus”

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#221485 Mar 26, 2014
karl44 wrote:
there is a school near you get some
Yes, the good ole Topix Atheist! comeback; "You're dumb".

“Ditat Deus”

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#221486 Mar 26, 2014
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes and many atheists believe christ was an anarchist, murderer and terrorist who was crucified for his crimes against the state, in fact there is more evidence for this stance than that he was the son of a god and a teacher of which there is no evidence.
Stalin murdering, yes this is true, exactly what he did and there is evidence to confirm it, but for atheism? I think not, more for nationalism and no honest person denies this
Stalin – opened 25000 churches
Stalin on Russian Channel 1 - Christ existed in the past
Journalist- It is interesting that from all the Kremlin residents, maybe, just Stalin believed in god
Stalins Daughter – When I said to my father “But Christ didn’t exist” Stalin replied “Oh No, Christ surely existed”
No honest person denies this because it is documented.
So what if Stalin thinks Jesus existed, you do too.

You just admitted it, you think He was an anarchist, murderer and terrorist.

Does that make you a theist? Does that make you a Christian?

“let's do this thang!”

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#221487 Mar 26, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Wait, what?
Don't GOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
'they' NEVER really go away but only re-invent new ways to attract attention

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