Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#221003 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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And whence comes this animosity, this need to denigrate those with whom you disagree? This need to cast aspersions, to pass judgement with no effort to understand? What need drives that?
We see this a lot with our theist posters. Not all, but most. RR, KiMare, Buck etal.

We do see it also with some of our non-believer fellows as well, sadly. It is a human trait to vilify "the other". But we see much more civility among the non-believers. At least, that's the way I see it.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#221004 Mar 23, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Actually, an insult is strictly speaking not an ad hominem. An ad hominem is saying a person is wrong because of some personal trait that has nothing to do with the argument.
For example...
"You are a red-headed pile of poo" is an insult, but not an ad hominem.
"You are wrong because you are red-headed" is an ad hominem.
<apologies to red heads>
True. But I think KiMare's intent/subtext was to attack my credibility, which is what ad hominem is all about.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

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#221005 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>True. But I think KiMare's intent/subtext was to attack my credibility, which is what ad hominem is all about.
KiMare is here to bash gays, NightSerf.

That's what he does. I've been watching him for a couple years. I'm OK with that because he's not very good at it.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#221006 Mar 23, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
KiMare is here to bash gays, NightSerf.
That's what he does. I've been watching him for a couple years. I'm OK with that because he's not very good at it.
This is an odd place to do that--sexual identity is hardly the focus of the forum or this thread. Does he think we are all gay?

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#221007 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>This is an odd place to do that--sexual identity is hardly the focus of the forum or this thread. Does he think we are all gay?
Only gay in the old fashioned sense, meaning bright and happy. That's from laughing @ it so much.
:-)

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

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#221008 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>This is an odd place to do that--sexual identity is hardly the focus of the forum or this thread. Does he think we are all gay?
Aren't we all?

I don't speak for him. I just sit back and smile when he continually gets his ass handed to him.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221009 Mar 23, 2014
KiMare wrote:
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Your posts tell us all we need to know about your education...
Correct. I posted proof of my credentials here several times.

http://s1298.photobucket.com/user/GoodOleDarw...

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#221011 Mar 24, 2014
Kimare_is_a_wife_thief wrote:
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One of them is named Greg Kirschmann (aka Kimare)
That one reminds me of this song.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#221012 Mar 24, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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And whence comes this animosity, this need to denigrate those with whom you disagree? This need to cast aspersions, to pass judgement with no effort to understand? What need drives that?
We all have histories. Some of us hide them some are more open, even at the risk that some will attempt to make a weapon of that honesty. But those who do so reveal the weaknesses of their positions. When the only possible response is personal attack (ad hominem), one's position is probably beyond salvage.
No animosity, just simple honesty. Something also missing from your posts.

You judged my posting an article about the Big Bang as a desperate attempt to support the Bible. When I called you on it, you changed the subject to a self-righteous pontification. It is clear the ad hominem attack and weak position are yours...

While you claim to be a skeptic, I am a redeemed cynic who remains barbarian.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#221013 Mar 24, 2014
And back to the subject at hand:

How does this article address these questions?

What was on the other side of the Big Bang?

How does a proton sized explosion create the vastness of the universe containing all matter?

Where is the edge of the universe?

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_2540382...

"This most extraordinary of ideas was conceived in the most ordinary of circumstances. Linde was lying in bed, sick, at his home in Moscow, during a miserable winter. And his international intellectual life was in limbo, because publication of a paper had been suspended a year during the turbulence at the end of Soviet rule.

"I was living in this state of depression. I was in my bed and unable to do anything," he said. Then came a sudden invitation to visit Italy -- but he had to submit a paper overnight.

"I held my head ... What can I do? What can I do?" he recalled thinking, with less than an hour to write. "And suddenly, I had the theory of eternally expanding inflationary universes, unceasingly producing new universes," of which ours is but one of many.

"It was just pure, from nowhere," he said."

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#221014 Mar 24, 2014
http://www.space.com/52-the-expanding-univers...

If the density of the universe exceeds a specific critical value, then the universe is "closed" and "positive curved" like the surface of a sphere. This means light beams that are initially parallel will converge slowly, eventually cross and return back to their starting point, if the universe lasts long enough. If so, the universe is not infinite but has no end, just as the area on the surface of a sphere is not infinite but has no beginning nor end to speak of. The universe will eventually stop expanding and start collapsing in on itself, the so-called "Big Crunch."

Isa. 34:4,5 NLT The heavens above will melt away and disappear like a rolled-up scroll.
The stars will fall from the sky like withered leaves from a grapevine, or shriveled figs from a fig tree.

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php...

"Why does the Universe look flat? This was one of the perplexing questions in cosmology for a long time. Today, most astronomers believe in the theory of inflation (and there are pieces of evidence supporting this). According to this theory, the Universe underwent exponential expansion about 10-30 seconds after the Big Bang. The result was that something of the size of an atom expanded to the size of the solar system by the end of the inflationary epoch."

Smile.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#221016 Mar 24, 2014
River Tam wrote:
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Aren't we all?
I don't speak for him. I just sit back and smile when he continually gets his ass handed to him.
Huh? Wilderice says we are all atheists. Now we are all gay?

What's this thread coming to?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#221017 Mar 24, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
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The basic problem with that question is that it assumes that all atheists think alike. Individual atheists may or may not have an answer for you, but each one will reflect the thinking of only that one person. Those who care about explaining the universe (not all do) will tend to turn to science, but only those who have chosen astrophysics for a career will be able to answer with any real confidence. Odds are you won't be able to understand any of those answer (don't fret--neither would I).
The short answer is that few of us have ideas about the origin, history, or current state of the universe that we can successfully defend. We're too busy earning our livings, fixing our cars, cleaning our houses, and pursuing our other interests to put the time into understanding the science beyond a fairly basic level.
And ultimately, as you intuited, atheists have no duty to explain themselves to you or anyone else, no more duty to defend their lack of belief than you have to defend your beliefs. It is, quite frankly, none of your business.
Atheism is not "lack of belief". It is belief, same as theism.

And it is our business, as when anyone tries to impose their belief by intimidation and government edict.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#221018 Mar 24, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>I've given examples where He has.

You have no excuse.
I must have missed them.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#221019 Mar 24, 2014
tricki wrote:
<quoted text>you like talking to a nut job?
You?

No.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221020 Mar 24, 2014
KiMare wrote:
....
What was on the other side of the Big Bang?.....
Science: "We don't know but we have a few logical thoughts on the matter based on what we know and have observed."

Religion: "We know it is God because our magic book says so!"

Note the difference please.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

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#221021 Mar 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is not "lack of belief". It is belief, same as theism.

And it is our business, as when anyone tries to impose their belief by intimidation and government edict.
Bless your heart...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221022 Mar 24, 2014
"The internal combustion engine isn't mentioned in the Bible thus automobiles can not exist." - CHristards

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#221023 Mar 24, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is not "lack of belief". It is belief, same as theism.
And it is our business, as when anyone tries to impose their belief by intimidation and government edict.
Agreed. Atheism is the belief that deities do not exist.

Now, where do you see atheists imposing this belief with intimidation or laws ?

All I see in the USA are laws saying EVERYONE has the right to believe what ever they desire about deities as long as it does not infringe on others' beliefs about deities.

Sadly, most of time the law has been applied only to Christians and rarely to anyone besides Christians.

In recent times that attitude is changing and the Christians are pissed off about it.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#221024 Mar 24, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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I will be honest. I don't know.
You, on the other hand, are not honest and make sh*t up.
Like the "shit" you made up about Michael Behe? David Barton? Casey Luskin? Lonnig?

//////////

Darwin's Stepchild wrote:

"And, yes, Behe admitted that ID is not science"
__________

Kitzmiller, Day 10, Trial Transcript:

Q. Sir, do you have an opinion as to whether intelligent design is science?

Behe: Yes, I do.

Q. And what is that opinion?

Behe: Yes, it is.

Q. Do you have an opinion as to whether intelligent design makes testable scientific claims?

Behe: Yes, I do.

Q. What is that opinion?

Behe: Yes, it does.

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