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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#220983 Mar 23, 2014
Although I accept "atheist" as a designation to avoid pointless argument, technically I am merely a skeptic, dismissing many religious claims as inconsistent with known science or, unsubstantiated, or indeterminate, but not ruling all of them out altogether. I define my skepticism by my reaction to many ideas: "That's interesting--I wonder whether it's true."

I apply that skepticism to more than just religion and more than just outlandish claims like bigfoot, extraterrestrial visitations, chemtrails, unreferenced statistics, and conspiracy theories in general. I'm especially skeptical of ideas that resonate with what I would like to believe because giving attractive ideas a pass can lead to endless chains of errors and misconceptions.

I would love to believe, for instance, that I am inherently superior to most other people. Alas, no evidence supports that. Same with the ideas that I an immortal part of myself will survive my physical death or that the good that I do can ever compensate for any unintentional harm that I may have done in the past.

Even at my advanced age, for instance, I still feel bad that I accidentally hurt one of my brothers at the age of four and that I may have broken or dislocated the arm of someone who tried to pick my pocket on a Boston subway when I was in my teens. That I have also saved a few lives and once protected a young girl from three rapists changes none of that. There's no balance sheet for things like that, nor can I be forgiven by any except the few whom I have wronged. None of us can.

So there it is. I am a skeptic. Call me atheist if you like, though--I really don't mind.
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#220984 Mar 23, 2014
tricki wrote:
<quoted text>
true
brilliant
It is, quite frankly, none of your business. atheist

thanks for the rebuke

i should a known better
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#220985 Mar 23, 2014
how do you restrain yourself girls?

one half hour w/o an interruption. happens all the time, too.

(way ahead of you babe. WAY WAY ahead)

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#220986 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
Although I accept "atheist" as a designation to avoid pointless argument, technically I am merely a skeptic, dismissing many religious claims as inconsistent with known science or, unsubstantiated, or indeterminate, but not ruling all of them out altogether. I define my skepticism by my reaction to many ideas: "That's interesting--I wonder whether it's true."

I apply that skepticism to more than just religion and more than just outlandish claims like bigfoot, extraterrestrial visitations, chemtrails, unreferenced statistics, and conspiracy theories in general. I'm especially skeptical of ideas that resonate with what I would like to believe because giving attractive ideas a pass can lead to endless chains of errors and misconceptions.

I would love to believe, for instance, that I am inherently superior to most other people. Alas, no evidence supports that. Same with the ideas that I an immortal part of myself will survive my physical death or that the good that I do can ever compensate for any unintentional harm that I may have done in the past.

Even at my advanced age, for instance, I still feel bad that I accidentally hurt one of my brothers at the age of four and that I may have broken or dislocated the arm of someone who tried to pick my pocket on a Boston subway when I was in my teens. That I have also saved a few lives and once protected a young girl from three rapists changes none of that. There's no balance sheet for things like that, nor can I be forgiven by any except the few whom I have wronged. None of us can.

So there it is. I am a skeptic. Call me atheist if you like, though--I really don't mind.
Well said.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#220987 Mar 23, 2014
tricki wrote:
<quoted text>It is, quite frankly, none of your business. atheist

thanks for the rebuke

i should a known better
Talking to yourself?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#220988 Mar 23, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>She departed from no standard. She simply noted a connection between the science and the Bible. Considering the audience she was addressing, perfectly proper. Again, your bias was unintentionally exposed.

I hail from a time when science did not hail the Big Bang theory. It was a theological doctrine that God created the universe out of nothing, and mocked by science. As noted in the article, the Bible is not intended as a scientific book. And yet, in the very first chapters, it contains the Big Bang, life coming from the ground, and originally existing genderless.

I have no need to validate the Bible. A legitimate God is perfectly capable of taking care of that Himself. I do enjoy pointing out the 'logical atheist' denials of those who have a desperate need to deny and discredit a God they don't believe exists...
Then why do you suppose your god won't validate his book.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#220989 Mar 23, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you not embarrassed by this constant repetition of baseless personal smear of every source that disagrees with you?
You lie about Lonnig. You lie about David Barton. I proved you lied about Michael Behe, and doctored a quotation from him.
Are you embarrassed at all?
You are not just a disgraced liar, you are a living insult to science and math.
Pointing at Barton doesn't help your case one whit.

The last time you ended up convincing most of the posters that he was a lying hack.

Behe is another horse you have hitched your wagon to that fails you. Yes, Behe said under testimony that ID is science, and then was forced to clarify under cross-examination that you had to redefine what is science to make that statement. You dishonestly ignore that last part.

Which puts you in the same category as Barton...a liar.
IPSEC

Irving, TX

#220990 Mar 23, 2014
IPSEC wrote:
<quoted text>What would a non-designed universe look like?
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
If I see one I'll let you know.
The ID is non-falsifiable, and therefore, useless.
IPSEC

Irving, TX

#220991 Mar 23, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Who is the leader of atheism now that Stalin and Mao are dead?
Sam Harris would seem the logical choice, since he has similar thoughts about killing.
He's not as intelligent as Stalin, however.
Atheism has no need for leaders. You know this. You are just continuing your thread of dishonesty.
IPSEC

Irving, TX

#220992 Mar 23, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You may not agree with the way Stalin and Hitler promoted their beliefs, but you share many of them.
Their antipathy toward the religious, their Darwinism, it is prevalent among you liberal atheists.
You are Stalinist in many ways.
YOU ASKED FOR IT
You're lying, again. Hitler ordered Darwin's books burned.

http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burne...

Stalinism is totalitarianism, the exact opposite of liberalism. You are an uneducated weirdo.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#220993 Mar 23, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why do you suppose your god won't validate his book.
I've given examples where He has.

You have no excuse.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#220994 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
Although I accept "atheist" as a designation to avoid pointless argument, technically I am merely a skeptic, dismissing many religious claims as inconsistent with known science or, unsubstantiated, or indeterminate, but not ruling all of them out altogether. I define my skepticism by my reaction to many ideas: "That's interesting--I wonder whether it's true."
I apply that skepticism to more than just religion and more than just outlandish claims like bigfoot, extraterrestrial visitations, chemtrails, unreferenced statistics, and conspiracy theories in general. I'm especially skeptical of ideas that resonate with what I would like to believe because giving attractive ideas a pass can lead to endless chains of errors and misconceptions.
I would love to believe, for instance, that I am inherently superior to most other people. Alas, no evidence supports that. Same with the ideas that I an immortal part of myself will survive my physical death or that the good that I do can ever compensate for any unintentional harm that I may have done in the past.
Even at my advanced age, for instance, I still feel bad that I accidentally hurt one of my brothers at the age of four and that I may have broken or dislocated the arm of someone who tried to pick my pocket on a Boston subway when I was in my teens. That I have also saved a few lives and once protected a young girl from three rapists changes none of that. There's no balance sheet for things like that, nor can I be forgiven by any except the few whom I have wronged. None of us can.
So there it is. I am a skeptic. Call me atheist if you like, though--I really don't mind.
Ah, now I understand.

A fence rider who judges all on either side. Smacks of both arrogance and cowardice...

And yet, an innate sense of guilt. And the need to compensate.

Where did that come from?

Smile.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#220995 Mar 23, 2014
tricki wrote:
how do you restrain yourself girls?
one half hour w/o an interruption. happens all the time, too.
(way ahead of you babe. WAY WAY ahead)
Woooo! Yo' be krazy...
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#220996 Mar 23, 2014
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Talking to yourself?
you like talking to a nut job?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#220997 Mar 23, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, now I understand.
A fence rider who judges all on either side. Smacks of both arrogance and cowardice...
And yet, an innate sense of guilt. And the need to compensate.
Where did that come from?
Smile.
And whence comes this animosity, this need to denigrate those with whom you disagree? This need to cast aspersions, to pass judgement with no effort to understand? What need drives that?

We all have histories. Some of us hide them some are more open, even at the risk that some will attempt to make a weapon of that honesty. But those who do so reveal the weaknesses of their positions. When the only possible response is personal attack (ad hominem), one's position is probably beyond salvage.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220998 Mar 23, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
The Sumerian texts aren't books, they are tablets.
Hail Marduk !
Yes, that was right. Praise Inanna!

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#220999 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
And whence comes this animosity, this need to denigrate those with whom you disagree? This need to cast aspersions, to pass judgement with no effort to understand? What need drives that?
We all have histories. Some of us hide them some are more open, even at the risk that some will attempt to make a weapon of that honesty. But those who do so reveal the weaknesses of their positions. When the only possible response is personal attack (ad hominem), one's position is probably beyond salvage.
Exactly right.
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#221000 Mar 23, 2014
Arobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
Talking to yourself?
Fascinating, I know.
tricki

Birdsboro, PA

#221001 Mar 23, 2014
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
Woooo! Yo' be krazy...
Hey krazi, sup girl?

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#221002 Mar 23, 2014
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
And whence comes this animosity, this need to denigrate those with whom you disagree? This need to cast aspersions, to pass judgement with no effort to understand? What need drives that?
We all have histories. Some of us hide them some are more open, even at the risk that some will attempt to make a weapon of that honesty. But those who do so reveal the weaknesses of their positions. When the only possible response is personal attack (ad hominem), one's position is probably beyond salvage.
Actually, an insult is strictly speaking not an ad hominem. An ad hominem is saying a person is wrong because of some personal trait that has nothing to do with the argument.

For example...

"You are a red-headed pile of poo" is an insult, but not an ad hominem.

"You are wrong because you are red-headed" is an ad hominem.

<apologies to red heads>

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