Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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.. first, I'm not much of a political animal ..
.. saying that, I generally agree with your contention regarding taxation, especially concerning the future fate of today's children who will be laboring for the Federal Reserve for 8-10 months a year. It's a form of servitude ..
.. that said, there's the social programs, something I advocate. Balance must be found ..
YES, bring on more socialism/social programs! now that the entitlement-minded takers are over-taking the contributors, i'm training my kiddies not to pander to the servitude mentality by slaving for big corporation fat-cats, but instead to have lots of babies and get on all them free programs!

VOTE DEMOCRATIC/SOCIALIST, PEOPLE - MY KINFOLK ARE DEPENDING ON IT!

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. gender based violence stems from patriarchy, an ideology based on power and inequality. It can be physically, emotionally and/or spiritually violent ..
.. patriarchal countries like Afghanistan or Uganda have rigid gender models where male dominance is the norm and violence against women is accepted, even expected ..
.. religion fosters the domination of women <wives obey your husbands>, perpetuates the myth of superiority <Eve did it> and encourages submission. Backed by the bible <the word of God> and custodians of the faith <clerics>, in many instances, there is almost unquestionable adherence to the principles espoused. The divinely ordained tenets found in religion have made women second-class citizens ..
.. the negative impact of religion on woman, their health, their veryl being, is historically documented ..
.. yes, I dare compare the violence found in patriarchal systems to 9-11 ..
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.. what did you expect? An endorsement of sanctioned rape, female genital mutilation, illiteracy or death by stoning for a widow who indulges in 'illicit' sex ??..
.. throughout the world, religious discrimination against women is alive and thriving ..
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.. who said patriarchy was about dominance? It's about control and inequality ..
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.. women don't take responsibility for their offspring ??..
HEY EVERYONE - LISTEN UP cuz she's a lezzy and of course that automatically makes her an expert on sexuality and diversity and all that kinda stuff!;-)

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Mar 12, 2014
 
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Really?
You here me there?
I here all.

I sea all.

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<quoted text> You are just like the abuser. Unpredictable. Everyone walks around the house on eggshells hoping to not offend the abuser who can be gentile and likable for the most part but then go off at the drop of a hat over any perceived slight or no slight at all. You are enemy centered and subject to severe mood swings just like the abuser and your posts reflect that. Indirectly blaming Christianity for 9/11, you really show your true colors and I believe you believe the poison you spew. At best it is a bimbo eruption and at worst well it is just venom. Thanks for revealing your true colors and I have been around long enough to remember the harassment heaped upon that Christian woman a while back. You folks were like a pack of rabid dogs to her as I recall. If there is any justice you will get yours. Whatever she was she did not deserve the abuse she received here. So don't go getting so sanctimonious now about abusers. Just go look in the mirror.
.. boy, oh boy, oh boy, the Christian men on this thread are really in a tether ..

.. tremendous change has occurred in western societies. Expecting women to adhere to ancient religious and moral codes that demean their gender will only make them reject all Abrahamic religions. Don't you get that ??..

.. you probably don't endorse female genital mutilation or sanctioned rape but some cultures do. It is for these women, the females living in countries like Afghanistan or Uganda, that I weep ..

.. in an effort to make this about me instead of women, you utilize character assassination. Do you feel so threatened by my views that you seek revenge and think, "If there is any justice you will get yours". What's that all about? Are you offended by my critique of religion or does it threaten your perceived superior position ??..

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.. what did you expect? An endorsement of sanctioned rape, female genital mutilation, illiteracy or death by stoning for a widow who indulges in 'illicit' sex ??..
.. throughout the world, religious discrimination against women is alive and thriving ..
Thus I find questionable the claim that the current state of affairs is the “same as it ever was”, implying that the patriarchy responsible for bootstrapping Western Civ from mud huts on the banks of the Rubicon to a complex post-industrial society is also the very same patriarchy that turns men into kitchen bitches today. Yes, patriarchy…literally, the ‘rule of the father’…places responsibilities on men. Responsibility to act in a socially productive manner. Responsibility to care for his kin, his children, his woman. Responsibility to fight in the defense of his community. In exchange he is guaranteed a link to his seed, and in a monogamous patriarchy, is more or less guaranteed access to sex. His role as the master of his home is codified and protected in law. Usurpers of that order–cads, women too big for their britches or who attempt to abrogate the terms of the social contract, adultresses, rapists–are punished commensurate with their violation.

But just as patriarchy places limits upon the freedom of men in favor of the larger social order, patriarchy also keeps the voracious appetite of the hungry beast known as female sexuality in its box. More importantly, patriarchy keeps the feminine, a spirit that knows no limits, justice, or fairness, a force that is all id and no superego, productive in moderation and destructive in excess, inward-focused on the self as opposed to outward-focused on others, in balance with the masculine. Just as patriarchy channels men’s excess energies in a socially productive manner, patriarchy also channels and caps women’s energies in a socially productive manner. It keeps her innate hypergamy in check; indeed patriarchy prevents the feminine from becoming intensely dysgenic and destructive of the social order.

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macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, you want a timeline? Okay, here's one at grade school level. Learn something.
http://patrickgrant.com/BBTL.htm
I almost made it through the first sentence, then my skepticism kicked in.

"The Big Bang
10-43 seconds
The universe begins with a cataclysm that generates space and time,"

I hadda stop there.

Because that is 100% assumption and speculation.

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I almost made it through the first sentence, then my skepticism kicked in.
"The Big Bang
10-43 seconds
The universe begins with a cataclysm that generates space and time,"
I hadda stop there.
Because that is 100% assumption and speculation.
That is actually 100% based on observation and physically possible events. Also experimentation on much smaller scales.

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So I'm curious: to those who insist that atheism is a belief, please describe what that belief necessarily entails. I'm an atheist, so I'm interested to see what I therefore must believe as a consequence.

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Electrical Engineer wrote:
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That is actually 100% based on observation and physically possible events. Also experimentation on much smaller scales.
There is no observation of that event.

And "physically possible events" doesn't necessarily mean fact.

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wilderide wrote:
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And the people? They don't count?
What do you mean?

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wilderide wrote:
So I'm curious: to those who insist that atheism is a belief, please describe what that belief necessarily entails. I'm an atheist, so I'm interested to see what I therefore must believe as a consequence.
The belief is that gods don't exist.

For some atheists, they specify gods. Some of them here go as far as to say the god of the Bible doesn't exist.

Since that opinion can't be proven, it's a belief.

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Thus I find questionable the claim that the current state of affairs is the “same as it ever was”, implying that the patriarchy responsible for bootstrapping Western Civ from mud huts on the banks of the Rubicon to a complex post-industrial society is also the very same patriarchy that turns men into kitchen bitches today. Yes, patriarchy…literally, the ‘rule of the father’…places responsibilities on men. Responsibility to act in a socially productive manner. Responsibility to care for his kin, his children, his woman. Responsibility to fight in the defense of his community. In exchange he is guaranteed a link to his seed, and in a monogamous patriarchy, is more or less guaranteed access to sex. His role as the master of his home is codified and protected in law. Usurpers of that order–cads, women too big for their britches or who attempt to abrogate the terms of the social contract, adultresses, rapists–are punished commensurate with their violation.
But just as patriarchy places limits upon the freedom of men in favor of the larger social order, patriarchy also keeps the voracious appetite of the hungry beast known as female sexuality in its box. More importantly, patriarchy keeps the feminine, a spirit that knows no limits, justice, or fairness, a force that is all id and no superego, productive in moderation and destructive in excess, inward-focused on the self as opposed to outward-focused on others, in balance with the masculine. Just as patriarchy channels men’s excess energies in a socially productive manner, patriarchy also channels and caps women’s energies in a socially productive manner. It keeps her innate hypergamy in check; indeed patriarchy prevents the feminine from becoming intensely dysgenic and destructive of the social order.
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ABOUT THE AUTHOR: "EW is a well-trained monkey charged with operating heavier-than-air machinery. His interests outside of being an opinionated rabble-rouser are hunting, working out, motorcycling, spending time with his family, and flying. He is a father to three, a husband to one, and is a sometime contributor here at Spearhead. More of his intolerable drivel is available at
the blog The Elusive Wapiti."

.. sounds like your kind of guy Ar-Ar ..

.. no rebuttal necessary ..

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it's also about someone being responsible for others, which is historically a job that most women don't want.
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.. women don't take responsibility for their offspring ??..
I said others, not children. Don't change the words to suit your argument.

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it's also about someone being responsible for others, which is historically a job that most women don't want.
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.. women don't take responsibility for their offspring ??..
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
it's also about someone being responsible for others, which is historically a job that most women don't want.
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I said others, not children. Don't change the words to suit your argument.
.. aren't children 'others'??..

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Happy Lesbo wrote:
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ABOUT THE AUTHOR: "EW is a well-trained monkey charged with operating heavier-than-air machinery. His interests outside of being an opinionated rabble-rouser are hunting, working out, motorcycling, spending time with his family, and flying. He is a father to three, a husband to one, and is a sometime contributor here at Spearhead. More of his intolerable drivel is available at
the blog The Elusive Wapiti."
.. sounds like your kind of guy Ar-Ar ..
.. no rebuttal necessary ..
That's right, attack the author and ignore his points.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There is no observation of that event.
And "physically possible events" doesn't necessarily mean fact.
It is fact to this day until proven otherwise. Given what we know it is the only outcome. Until proven otherwise.

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Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. aren't children 'others'??..
Possibly.

But others aren't necessarily children.

Throughout history the patriarchal family unit has succeeded and thrived, it still thrives today. It isn't about control and it isn't about sexism as you claim. It's about family structure, structure that appears to be nonexistent today, but it isn't.

You're gonna sit here and say that a man being in charge of his house is as violent as radical terrorists killing thousands of people, I have a problem with that because it isn't true. If you prefer to have a man under your heel, that's between you and a particular man. If you want to say that all men should be like that, you and I are going to have a problem. Men aren't supposed to be kitchen bitches like you want them to be.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That's right, attack the author and ignore his points.
That's far preferable to attacking a helpless motorist with a club, which is what you did.

Was the guy white, or was your violence triggered by racism?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Possibly.
But others aren't necessarily children.
Throughout history the patriarchal family unit has succeeded and thrived, it still thrives today. It isn't about control and it isn't about sexism as you claim. It's about family structure, structure that appears to be nonexistent today, but it isn't.
You're gonna sit here and say that a man being in charge of his house is as violent as radical terrorists killing thousands of people, I have a problem with that because it isn't true. If you prefer to have a man under your heel, that's between you and a particular man. If you want to say that all men should be like that, you and I are going to have a problem. Men aren't supposed to be kitchen bitches like you want them to be.
But you take patriarchy to the extreme.

You feel entitled to hit your wife.

You feel entitled to hit a six-month-old baby.

And you consistently demean women.

In other words, you're a pig.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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There is no observation of that event.
And "physically possible events" doesn't necessarily mean fact.
Sheesh.

You've no idea who Penzias and Wilson are, do you, much less what they discovered?
The significance of the Cosmic Backgroud Radiation?
That IS the Big Bang.

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