Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#218326 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Inevitable?!? Says who?
First of all, those men chose the priesthood. They chose a life of celibacy to serve God.
Second, over. 98% of them remain celibate and do nothing even remotely close to pedophelia.
Nuns are the sane way, choosing a life of celibacy.
Those that choose pedophelia do so at their own accord, NOT by any situation created by the RCC.
Exactly

Those men were pedophiles long before joining the priesthood. Which in all likelihood they either infiltrated to hide in plain sight and have access to children or at one point hoped it would help them control their perversion but gave way to it anyway

For someone to suggest a group of pedophiles hiding within the church were created by the church is like saying a group of rapists in public office were created by the Constitution. If people come in somewhere and do the opposite that the place stands for, how can someone blame the ideology?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#218327 Mar 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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With the multiple translations, it's impossible to know what "fulfill the law" means, if it was even uttered. the remnants of Jesus' followers he left behind believed Jewish law still had to be obeyed. Paul went out preaching something different. The "pillars" of the early Jesus movement went to his churches and tried to correct him. It just pissed him off. They said, well, let him go. He can't do much harm.
...famous last words.
.. hence, certain teachings of the historical Jesus were corrupted ??..

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#218328 Mar 11, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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No, that's not it.
Jesus came and cleansed the faith of all the nasty stuff.
Fullfilled is what supposedly Jesus did, and we're in good shape as a result.
Good guy that Jesus.
So why do they bring up all the Jewish laws and prohibitions that Jesus allegedly removed ?

These people make no sense.

“The Bible is no science book”

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#218329 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The Scripture's pretty clear.
"Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death."
You can't steal a free man. You can't posses a free man. That verse is talking about people being stolen and forced into slavery.
We were talking about slaves, not free men. Another Israelite. You keep changing what you think a slave is so you can win the argument. The bible condones slavery, indenture, but wont let you capture a neighbor and make a slave of him. We all agree on that part.

But you simply refuse to admit that there were bought and sold slaves, that were the property of the slave master. He could buy him, sell him, beat him, keep his children and kill him if necessary. All condoned by the bible.

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#218330 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh ya. We've even had debates over the meanings of belief and faith because they're so afraid of using those words.
I remember the faith one about faith in science for believing it will eventually provide answers for things which there is currently none such as life forming from non-life

Even agreeing the faith was not spiritual in nature still wasn't enough

Buck Crick

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#218331 Mar 11, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Who?
Me?
I'm not an atheist.
I'm an agnostic.
I'm pretty sure there's a study that says we're smarter than everyone.
OK. I made that up.
The only reason there's a Columbus Ohio is so Cleveland people have one city they can look down on.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#218332 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
It's not a concept at all. Laws can't be fulfilled.just like apples can't be emancipated or educated. It's a category error. Only certain verbs can apply to laws or apples. Laws can be written, amended, obeyed, broken, or rescinded, for example. But most other verbs don't apply. Laws can't be squared, invested, broiled, vacuumed, elongated, hospitalized, or evaporated. Nor can they be fulfilled.
Jibba-jabba.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I like that last part. Made a lot of sense, more sense than the rest.
And yet another fine rebuttal from you.

Can we assume that when you belly up like this that you have no defense?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

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#218333 Mar 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Thanks. I am pleased you enjoyed last night as much as I did.
.. who untied you? What did you do with my scarves? I have a weekend engagement, need them, please send via overnight delivery ..

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#218334 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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It's not a concept at all. Laws can't be fulfilled.just like apples can't be emancipated or educated. It's a category error. Only certain verbs can apply to laws or apples. Laws can be written, amended, obeyed, broken, or rescinded, for example. But most other verbs don't apply. Laws can't be squared, invested, broiled, vacuumed, elongated, hospitalized, or evaporated. Nor can they be fulfilled.
Jibba-jabba.
If Jesus said such a thing it was more likely (as a Jew) that he said "I come to obey the Torah, not abolish it." or "I have come to fulfill the Prophets, not to abolish the Torah."

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#218335 Mar 11, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Well, here's my take, Skom.
When the society in which the writers of the canon controlled their environment, stuff like Numbers 31 was produced.
When they were dominated by outside forces, such as Rome in the first and second centuries, God's punishment was not immediate; it would have to wait until the afterlife.
Hyades would cure all then.
i will be honest, I'm gonna need you to explain that to me

Obviously you are saying it went from immediate accountability to future accountability right?

Numbers is like one of the books I'm least familiar with so that's why I'm not fully getting the comparison.

And them are you saying even though Christians are under the NT that by delaying accountability it allows for more bad behavior than if we answered now?

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#218336 Mar 11, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Why would a supposed lesbian mock someone for having gender reassignment?
.. why makes a person violent ??..

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#218337 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Stop staring at my ass.
.. I can't help myself. It's so, so ..........

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#218338 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Thanks, man.
I left the money on the dresser, did ya get it?
.. ya, but where are my scarves ??..

Buck Crick

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#218339 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. hence, certain teachings of the historical Jesus were corrupted ??..
Absolutely. He taught reincarnation of souls. The Roman Catholic church nixed that, and substituted purgatory as a second chance.

That allowed them to be in total control of your afterlife comings and goings. There's damn good money in that. Some people would turn over their entire estate to get loved ones out of Hell's waiting room.

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#218340 Mar 11, 2014
scaritual wrote:
The Bible never says Christians *should* own slaves, either
I think that's a meaningless detail.
The Bible not saying Christians should own slaves is a meaningless to you. Your own link stated Jews did not have to own slaves so that must be meaningless to you also even if it is your link
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Job 31:13.''If I have despised the claim of my male or female slaves when they filed a complaint against me,

14. What then could I do when God arises? And when He calls me to account, what will I answer Him.''
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Slaves could complain against their masters and masters were accountable to God for their treatment of their slaves. But I suppose all that is meaningless detail to you also.

You folks are so phony it is sickening. All the slavery going on in the world today and you only whine and bitch about slavery 3000 years ago in a far away place.
Chess Jurist

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#218341 Mar 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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The only reason there's a Columbus Ohio is so Cleveland people have one city they can look down on.
Well, at least Columbus isn't in Kentucky, eh, copper scroll boy?

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#218342 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. why makes a person violent ??..
In a situation when defending a friend from a violent attack or another situation?

Sociology is heavily impacted by variables such an environment, life experience, personal morality, mitigating circumstances, etc

You need to be more specific

Why would a lesbian mock someone for having sex reassignment?

Buck Crick

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#218343 Mar 11, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
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Well, at least Columbus isn't in Kentucky, eh, copper scroll boy?
If it were, they'd push it off in the river.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

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#218344 Mar 11, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
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So why do they bring up all the Jewish laws and prohibitions that Jesus allegedly removed ?
These people make no sense.
Sense has nothing to do with it.

It's about faith, regardless of sense.

To me, it's all silliness, except for the damage it causes.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#218345 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
It's understandable why you might want to jettison that doctrine at first blush. But who would bother to read such a book for guidance if they were told it was written by primitive men? It would be no more appropriate to believe its stories about gods, let alone make important life decisions based on them, than it would be to do the same with the Iliad or the Odyssey.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You don't understand, I'm not surprised.
The Bible does not claim to be written by God, it claims to be inspired by God. Do you understand the difference? It's kind of like a nice, mushy love letter that you would write to your wife. It is inspired by your love for her, but your love didn't write it.
Sorry. The bible claims that its content was authored by a deity. Writing in the sense of authorship doesn't mean putting pen to paper or papyrus. It means authoring. It doesn't matter if the bible was dictated, it only matters whose words they were. Milton, who was blind, dictated his works to his daughter. His books were written by Milton, meaning authored, and written down by his daughter, meaning transcribed.

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." - II Peter 1:20-21 NIV

Your own bible contradicts you.

Your defense is the faith based dance of verbal sophistry. We see it every day on these threads, as with the fulfilled versus abolished matter. When you are simply wrong, have painted yourself into a corner, and are shown to have done so, your only choices are to choose the conclusion supported by the evidence and reason, or to go on defending your faith based preferences with tortured apologetics that betray the effeteness of your argument.

But it's an improvement over just bellying up.

"When the philosopher's argument becomes tedious, complicated, and opaque, it is usually a sign that he is attempting to prove as true to the intellect what is plainly false to common sense”- Edward Abbey

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