Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#218306 Mar 11, 2014
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> You can start by not imposing anachronistic assumptions into ancient cultures where slavery was the norm everywhere. According to Scar... link earlier ancient Israel re defined slavery.
<quoted text> No it does not and since you claim it does then the burden of proof is on you. Foreign slaves who escaped to Israel were not to be returned to their foreign masters. <quoted text> Yeah. <quoted text> Then why were foreign slaves allowed sanctuary in Israel? If they had no objections as you claim why not return foreign slaves to their foreign masters?
People often take the "slaves obey your master" verse out of context a lot too. It goes on to acknowledge unfair treatment and says when they are victimized to such that instead of reacting with violence they should turn their suffering over to God

Just as believers are taught to turn the other cheek.

There is a passage that talks about taking slaves when battling enemies of God in a particular conflict but just like many things in the OT those are not part of the new covenant.

Love God
Love your neighbor as yourself
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Love your enemy, neighbor, and brother

Those that have a problem with Mosaic law or things that happened in the OT really have an issue with Judaism if anything. While obviously part of our Bible, modern Christians are under different rules. If someone has an issue with Christianity today then they should show what in the New Testament they have a problem with. And any believer not abiding by it has to answer why not but that falls on them, not the faith

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#218307 Mar 11, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>The eternal plaint of the sociopath: "Look what you made me do!"
.. SKOM is a total mess; but, sociopath? Perhaps you're more insightful than myself ??..

.. call me the cockeyed optimist; I still think there's a glimmer of hope but the ego defense system in this one is strong ..

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Fennario

#218308 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church creates situational man-boy pedophiles with its policies. The "cover" comes later when the RCC commits the crime of obstruction of justice.
KiMare wrote:
Are you asserting that homosexuality is a choice?
Did you see that assertion anywhere?

I asserted that, "The Roman Catholic Church creates situational man-boy pedophiles with its policies" and that "the "cover" comes later when the RCC commits the crime of obstruction of justice."

These IMPLY that when an entire priesthood is offered no outlet to express sexual instincts except with same sex minors, that there will be a ton of same sex pedophilia. Is that a choice? It's an inevitable and predictable fact.
KiMare wrote:
Any moral person would decry the shame of covering the crime of sodomy.
Well, we're not talking moral people here, are we? We're talking about the Roman Catholic Church, and you, who is also making excuses for them.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
What do you think the charge and penalty should be for a parent who leaves a boy alone with a Catholic priest who then rapes that boy?
< sound of a coyote faintly baying on a distant mountaintop >

Good choice.

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#218309 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It's called the "Topix Atheist! Lack of Belief" belief system.
I read it somewhere in the atheist handbook.
heh

Personally find the whole thing kind of funny. It is like some are so anti faith that they won't even allow that both share some common words like "belief"

They can't prove God doesn't exist

However they believe He doesn't

Yet somehow refuse to use that word

If an atheist testifies in court as a witness is it now they only agree to answer questions because testify and witness are too closely associated with faith?

It seems a bit silly to me.

RiversideRedneck

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#218310 Mar 11, 2014
Chess Jurist wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, according to studies, that's in their favor.
But I'm just betting they are.
Topix Atheist! studies don't count.

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#218311 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I wrote: Slavery was more of a social status than anything, people would volunteer into slavery to pay off debts or feed their families.

You wrote: That is not slavery.

That pretty much sums up your ignorance on the subject. The only type of slavery you can imagine is the kind of racial, forced slavery that happened in the US. I recommend you educate yourself more on this before we bother continuing.
Good rebuttal as always.

RiversideRedneck

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#218312 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:

You're talking nonsense.
The issue is that the phrase 'fulfilled the law' is meaningless, which is why neither you nor Riverside Redneck can provide a clear definition of what that means or how it is distinct from saying that a low is abolished,
Oh but I did give a clear explanation for it and I gave a clear distinction between abolish and fulfill.

Well, clear to those that can read through unbiased eyes, that is....

Buck Crick

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#218313 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You're talking nonsense.
The issue is that the phrase 'fulfilled the law' is meaningless, which is why neither you nor Riverside Redneck can provide a clear definition of what that means or how it is distinct from saying that a low is abolished, and why you would rather dance around with references to people and scriptures.
"If I fulfill all the 'requirements' of a law, then I have fulfilled the law." How does that pertain to laws like not to blaspheme (Ex. 22:27) and to not suffer witches to live (Ex. 22:17)? It doesn't.
This the kind of thing that faith and faith based thinking make one do. You spin these ridiculous apologetics. It should serve as a red flag to people thinking about abandoning skepticism and embarking on a faith based life.
With the multiple translations, it's impossible to know what "fulfill the law" means, if it was even uttered. the remnants of Jesus' followers he left behind believed Jewish law still had to be obeyed. Paul went out preaching something different. The "pillars" of the early Jesus movement went to his churches and tried to correct him. It just pissed him off. They said, well, let him go. He can't do much harm.

...famous last words.

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#218314 Mar 11, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>People often take the "slaves obey your master" verse out of context a lot too. It goes on to acknowledge unfair treatment and says when they are victimized to such that instead of reacting with violence they should turn their suffering over to God
Just as believers are taught to turn the other cheek.**PORTIONS SNIPPED**
.. so, why are you unable to do that ??..

RiversideRedneck

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#218315 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:

I asserted that, "The Roman Catholic Church creates situational man-boy pedophiles with its policies" and that "the "cover" comes later when the RCC commits the crime of obstruction of justice."
These IMPLY that when an entire priesthood is offered no outlet to express sexual instincts except with same sex minors, that there will be a ton of same sex pedophilia. Is that a choice? It's an inevitable and predictable fact.
Inevitable?!? Says who?

First of all, those men chose the priesthood. They chose a life of celibacy to serve God.

Second, over. 98% of them remain celibate and do nothing even remotely close to pedophelia.

Nuns are the sane way, choosing a life of celibacy.

Those that choose pedophelia do so at their own accord, NOT by any situation created by the RCC.

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#218316 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. unless you can prove your false allegations, no defense is required. That's your MO - defend, justify and protect false self ..
.. you don't like feeling powerless, do you? Guess what? You have no power over me, I am your intellectual, emotional and spiritual superior. Deal with it and quit trying to change focus. By now you should know this doesn't work with me and I'll never fulfill your expectations ..
.. now, tell me exactly what you meant when you wrote, "If you were in front of me, I'd teach you a lesson or two." What was the lesson if not the power of your fists ??..
.. you claim to be in a 12-Step program yet fail to understand the message behind powerlessness. My hat is off to you, you're extremely powerful. And, violent ..
You are flat out lying again

Not only I never said fists I never said if you were in front of me I would teach you a lesson or two. I told you exactly what I said which was they would learn the definition of payback

You are a fraud

And I could care less about having power over you. Just like I could care less if I had power over some gunk that got stuck to my shoe. You have shown yourself to an immoral person who continues to go out of their way to stalk, mock and ridicule someone that has been victimized. And you will use sexual reassignment to get a cheap laugh at their expense despite the show you put on about tolerance. I pity you but I don't want power over you. Why the hell would I? On top of everything else you are delusional about the role you think you play in my life which is none

Buck Crick

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#218317 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>

My hat is off to you, you're extremely powerful. And, violent ..
Thanks. I am pleased you enjoyed last night as much as I did.
Chess Jurist

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#218318 Mar 11, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>People often take the "slaves obey your master" verse out of context a lot too. It goes on to acknowledge unfair treatment and says when they are victimized to such that instead of reacting with violence they should turn their suffering over to God
Just as believers are taught to turn the other cheek.
There is a passage that talks about taking slaves when battling enemies of God in a particular conflict but just like many things in the OT those are not part of the new covenant.
Love God
Love your neighbor as yourself
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Love your enemy, neighbor, and brother
Those that have a problem with Mosaic law or things that happened in the OT really have an issue with Judaism if anything. While obviously part of our Bible, modern Christians are under different rules. If someone has an issue with Christianity today then they should show what in the New Testament they have a problem with. And any believer not abiding by it has to answer why not but that falls on them, not the faith
Well, here's my take, Skom.

When the society in which the writers of the canon controlled their environment, stuff like Numbers 31 was produced.

When they were dominated by outside forces, such as Rome in the first and second centuries, God's punishment was not immediate; it would have to wait until the afterlife.

Hyades would cure all then.

RiversideRedneck

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#218319 Mar 11, 2014
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>heh
Personally find the whole thing kind of funny. It is like some are so anti faith that they won't even allow that both share some common words like "belief"
They can't prove God doesn't exist
However they believe He doesn't
Yet somehow refuse to use that word
If an atheist testifies in court as a witness is it now they only agree to answer questions because testify and witness are too closely associated with faith?
It seems a bit silly to me.
Oh ya. We've even had debates over the meanings of belief and faith because they're so afraid of using those words.

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#218320 Mar 11, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. so, why are you unable to do that ??..
Why would a supposed lesbian mock someone for having gender reassignment?

RiversideRedneck

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#218321 Mar 11, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Good rebuttal as always.
Stop staring at my ass.

RiversideRedneck

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#218322 Mar 11, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
Thanks. I am pleased you enjoyed last night as much as I did.
Thanks, man.

I left the money on the dresser, did ya get it?

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Fennario

#218323 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
I said the three types of Biblical laws are Ceremonial, Cultural and Moral. The OT slave laws would be the Cultural kind.
They're the immoral kind.
Chess Jurist

Columbus, OH

#218324 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Topix Atheist! studies don't count.
Who?

Me?

I'm not an atheist.

I'm an agnostic.

I'm pretty sure there's a study that says we're smarter than everyone.

OK. I made that up.

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Fennario

#218325 Mar 11, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Oh? Reduce the complexity of a mousetrap, what do you have?
Still?

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

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