Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

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#217548 Mar 7, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
<quoted text>It happens. I've tipped more than my dentist who was buying the same meal for twice the number of people that I was. It ticked me off that we had the same waitress yet she buzzed around his table constantly asking him if he wanted refills on his drinks but never came back to my table once asking that. It served her right that she didn't get the big tip she was sucking up for. I never leave less than $4 dollars even for crummy service, and I round up to the next dollar amount instead of counting change like a miser. There's only one waitress I never tipped and she's lucky I didn't smack her in lieu of the tip.
Tips are supposed to be earned. This notion we've got today of "tip no matter what" is bullshit.

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Since: Sep 08

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#217549 Mar 7, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. But he is not saying to accept killing for behavior. Do you see him saying that anywhere?
You talk about context, and you want to focus on one word?? You are an idiot.
I'll explain what he is saying for you. He is talking about the "link" between belief and behavior, and since we recognize the "link", and since the behavior resulting from certain beliefs is so horrendous, we need to consider killing for the belief, before the behavior occurs.
Put another way, beliefs make people do awful things, and understanding the link between believing things and doing awful things, we need to kill them first.
If you don't get it after this, you will never get it.
"Context"?

Bucky, a single word can alter, not just the context, but the entire meaning of a sentence.

Heck, a punctuation mark can do that.

"Let's eat, Grandma!" has a fairly specific meaning. Now rewrite that sentence, without the comma.

Or "Eats, shoots and leaves". That's not a panda.

Or the probably-apocryphal "Edwardum occidere nolite timere, bonum est", which legend has it was the execution order for Edward II. Put that comma one word to the left, the meaning is completely reversed.

“Ditat Deus”

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#217550 Mar 7, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:

No. Anyways, it's not an apologetics site - it's Harris' site.
Ya it's Harris' apologetic site.

You do know that apologetics has nothing to do with apologizing, right?
You posted what you claimed were his words and what you claimed were his intentions. You were decidedly incorrect about the latter, as Harris himself explains on that site. If we're going to talk about what Harris meant, and for me to demonstrate that you took the quote out of context, I have to return to the original source material.
An apologetics site would be a site not run by him, but sympathetic to his argument that reframed history, science, whatever to make it appear that Harris' point is actually the only valid position we can have. He's not doing that.
He's pointing out how people like you have misrepresented him. I can understand why you don't like that. But if you are going to engage in his argument fully, and debunk it honestly, the only way to do that is to engage with the source material and Harris' own defensive writing.
Maybe you don't.

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#217551 Mar 7, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Oh...Like...There were children sexually abused. Your excuse...there weren't that many.
Or...The Inquisition was bad. Your excuse...well, the RCC did hospitals, too.
Yeah. Excuses.
Those are facts, not excuses.

Please don't try again.

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Since: Sep 08

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#217552 Mar 7, 2014
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not the moderators but rather Topix's automatic moderation system. This often hides post with links it thinks might be offensive but without telling you, so if you're logged in you think everyone can see them but only you can. We've all fell foul of it.
Try reposting without the links.
I actually got red-flagged for posting "COC" as an abbreviation for "Church of Christ".

And I very rarely cuss.

“Ditat Deus”

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#217553 Mar 7, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
<quoted text>Ain't it funny how he claims there is no such thing as "free will" but he insists on trying to take away the very thing he insists does not exist...from theists only, of course. Strange how he lusts after punishing those same people for a "will" that he claims does not exist. More idiotic fantasies of his. He can't seem to make up his mind, do we or don't we "own our own minds"? ;)
They are hypocrites to the nth degree.

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Since: Jul 11

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#217554 Mar 7, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"Context"?
....
Or the probably-apocryphal "Edwardum occidere nolite timere, bonum est", which legend has it was the execution order for Edward II. Put that comma one word to the left, the meaning is completely reversed.
You just gave a dozen Christ-Stains a cerebral hemorrhage.

“Ditat Deus”

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#217556 Mar 7, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
<quoted text>hush...you don't want to wake up the reverend anal, do ya?
EGADS!

Moving on....

“Ditat Deus”

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#217557 Mar 7, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I have and only one of them was a good dog. He was very protective of me and the yard, he killed any other animal that entered our yard, so I was never comfortable with the idea of leaving him alone, unsupervised, with a small child. The other dogs I had were even more aggressive than he was, snapping and growling at kids. Useless as pets.
I have a Boxer that's 100% harmless.

It all depends on the breed of dog and how they are raised.

Just remember this:

Dogs have servants.
Cats have slaves.

“Ditat Deus”

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#217558 Mar 7, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Good rebuttal as always
Thanks, man. I knew you'd see it my way.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#217559 Mar 7, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hi, welcome.
Atheists aren't burning your posts, you paranoid theist. But I love that you think so.
Wait till he discovers our shape-shifting abilities...

“Ditat Deus”

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#217560 Mar 7, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi, welcome. New to reading? Let's look at the quote in a slightly larger context and ignore the entire paragraph that I posted before where Harris goes into detail about beliefs and behavior.
"The link between belief and behavior raises the stakes considerably. Some propositions are so dangerous that it may even be ethical to kill people for believing them. This may seem an extraordinary claim, but it merely enunciates an ordinary fact about the world in which we live. Certain beliefs place their adherents beyond the reach of every peaceful means of persuasion, while inspiring them to commit acts of extraordinary violence against others."
For the slow of mind, the 5th word is "behavior."
Now turn to the last sentence, where Harris links "certain beliefs" to "acts of extraordinary violence..."
Did you do a lot of drugs in my absence? I've never seen worse reading comprehension from you. This is like explaining to an angry child how to cross the street.
What's the matter?
Don wanna!!!
Don't want to?
Don wanna!!!
For someone that claims to disagree with Harris' opinion you seem to defend Harris' opinion a lot.

Odd that.

Maybe the link between belief and behavior befuddles you.

“Ditat Deus”

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#217561 Mar 7, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. But he is not saying to accept killing for behavior. Do you see him saying that anywhere?
You talk about context, and you want to focus on one word?? You are an idiot.
I'll explain what he is saying for you. He is talking about the "link" between belief and behavior, and since we recognize the "link", and since the behavior resulting from certain beliefs is so horrendous, we need to consider killing for the belief, before the behavior occurs.
Put another way, beliefs make people do awful things, and understanding the link between believing things and doing awful things, we need to kill them first.
If you don't get it after this, you will never get it.
Dammit man, pay attention to the context.

The sixth word is 'and'.

C'mon!

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#217562 Mar 7, 2014
Eight Ball wrote:
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Two things i have noticed with this site is a lot of my posts appear when i log in but if i come in unlogged they are not there. That means someone is deleting my posts here. Also i keep getting pop ups from my computer about this site attempting to install programs or whatever to my computer. Add cookies? Who knows. Red flags are going up.
I can still log in but effectively cannot post anything that will appear. If I try to find a post, like I did with this one, I cannot go by the page number but by the posting number. The pages are different based on whether I am logged in or not. That means a lot of posts are being deleted even though they appear to be there if the contributor is logged in.
These atheists are crybaby narcs. Like Quaalude Bob and perhaps IANS and they have the help of Topix moderators. The idea Topix is against censorship is a sham. You are right about one thing, your posts are worth reading. Too good for Topix.
LOL. Sounds like you forgot to read the "Persecution Clause" in the Topix TOS.

“Ditat Deus”

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#217563 Mar 7, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
wow! Luther was a jerk, a bigot and a general scumbag!
I had no idea. Thank you :)
Wish there lil lady. IANS is taking Luther out of context, no?

Maybe IANS is misquoting.

Let the wife make the husband glad to come home, and let him make her sorry to see him leave.
-Martin Luther

Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree.
-Martin Luther

Every man must do two things alone; he must do his own believing and his own dying.
-Martin Luther

“Ditat Deus”

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#217564 Mar 7, 2014
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>"Context"?
Bucky, a single word can alter, not just the context, but the entire meaning of a sentence.
Heck, a punctuation mark can do that.
"Let's eat, Grandma!" has a fairly specific meaning. Now rewrite that sentence, without the comma.
Or "Eats, shoots and leaves". That's not a panda.
Or the probably-apocryphal "Edwardum occidere nolite timere, bonum est", which legend has it was the execution order for Edward II. Put that comma one word to the left, the meaning is completely reversed.
This reminds me of Luke 23:43 and the misplaced comma.

Jesus answered him,“Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

Jesus answered him,“Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise.”

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#217565 Mar 7, 2014
BenAdam wrote:
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You just gave a dozen Christ-Stains a cerebral hemorrhage.
*snicker*

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

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#217566 Mar 7, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are facts, not excuses.
Please don't try again.
Thank you for proving my prediction true. I must be a prophet.

And, yes, they may be facts but you are presenting them as excuses.

"It's OK that children were molested because there weren't that many molested"...is an absolutely horrible argument, an excuse for atrocious behavior.

"The Inquisition wasn't that bad because the RCC also had hospitals"...is also an horrible argument. Again, excusing atrocities.

That you can't see this shows how religion has damaged your moral sense.

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#217567 Mar 7, 2014
Anon wrote:
Wait till he discovers our shape-shifting abilities...
Changing from moose shit to crab shit IS quite a feat.

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#217568 Mar 7, 2014
For RoccoCatcher:

Today is 9-1/2 hours old.

I've posted 17 times in 30 minutes.

Not 17 times in 9-1/2 hours.

Put that in your obsessive calculations.

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