Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
By Harris' thinking, you could kill me just for thinking about shooting you.
That is grossly incorrect.
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It's a good damn thing secular humanists aren't in charge.
You mean secular strawmen.

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You're missing societal, cultural, religious, scholarly and political context for the above quote.
You need to recall Buck's position on "exact" quotes. Buck don't need no stinkin' context.

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<quoted text>Agree. So I saw the recent postings on charity. My take is no amount would satisfy those that hate God. I was in a prayer group years ago and one guy gave another a car. He wanted no credit for it and the church never knew. Many times help is given in countless ways that doesn't make any report. But even if it did it wouldn't matter.
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Don't fool yourself into thinking that you are exempt from indoctrination, if you do, you unwittingly make yourself even more liable to indoctrination. The same goes for atheists indoctrinating kids.
If atheism is the rejection of theism, then theism is the rejection of atheism and both can be indoctrinated into people.
You should think about your statements before you make them.

If it weren't for theists, or there were no theists, there would be no atheists.

The reverse isn't true.

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Buck Crick wrote:
FROM OVER A YEAR AGO:
Buck Crick (on infinity): "There is a contradiction unless you use different rules".
FROM YESTERDAY:
Darwin's Stepchild: "Wow. Buck thinks infinity has to play by the same rules as the finite."
And yesterday Buck said...

"I pointed out the contradictions..."

Own it. Embrace it. You said it.

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Jedism? Is that based on The Beverly Hillbillies?
Jim Varney was a national treasure.
11) I looked, and mine eye saw Jethro of Bodine. He was crouched and cowering, of great sorrow, and muttering; "why!, OH WHY?" Now, Granny, of stern measure and temper in a loud voice shouted "DAGNABBIT!" and sought to strike Jethro with a heavy iron skillet. 12) It was then Jed saw this, and spake these words; "Now boy, ya hadn'ta oughta gone and done that" - 3 Venetians 4:11-12 Parable of Lye Soap and The Cement Pond - NHE(New Hathaway Edition)

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That's awesome.
On time, when I was really down on my luck and refused any state aid, someone sent me a money order in the mail for $4,000. I never found out who it was from. That's Christian generosity for ya.
Keep acting stupid, and I'll demand that you return that money to me.

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o.O
Those aren't comparable statistics.
??? Really?

Really?

(Are we going to have a similar discussion to California?)

(Numbers are not RR's friend.)

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WARNING
If we object to the Redneck's claim, be careful.
He has a tendency to become violent.
He often says "GO" as a response or as an imagined rebuttal, too.

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BOOM! There it is.
You wanna talk about how the Bible instructs to kill and them take Harris' advice and kill me before I have a chance to kill.
You're a fucking lunatic. The Bible does not instruct a Christian to kill. But you and the other Harris followers will interpret it the way they want in order to justify murder and, given the proper authority, genocide.
Damn.

We're busted.

Please keep the secret to yourself.

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You forgot one:
•. We believe it's ethical to kill someone for their beliefs.
Isn't lying against your moral code?

Or is Lying for Jesus acceptable?

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By Harris' thinking, you could kill me just for thinking about shooting you.
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That is grossly incorrect.
If I believed it, Harris and his ilk would back you for killing me.

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<quoted text> You should think about your statements before you make them.
If it weren't for theists, or there were no theists, there would be no atheists.
The reverse isn't true.
Uh-huh

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
You forgot one:
•. We believe it's ethical to kill someone for their beliefs.
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Isn't lying against your moral code?
Or is Lying for Jesus acceptable?
“Some beliefs are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them”
-Sam Harris

No lie.

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Catcher1 wrote:
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Keep acting stupid, and I'll demand that you return that money to me.
That was from you?

What year was it?

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RiversideRedneck wrote:
BOOM! There it is.
Your persecution complex and paranoia?
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You wanna talk about how the Bible instructs to kill and them take Harris' advice and kill me before I have a chance to kill.
No, but as always, you're free to imagine and believe whatever floats your ark.

Harris says "it may be", meanwhile, the Bible contains explicit commands to kill based on a myriad of qualifications. People have believed they should follow those commands, and have followed them.
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You're a fucking lunatic. The Bible does not instruct a Christian to kill. But you and the other Harris followers will interpret it the way they want in order to justify murder and, given the proper authority, genocide.
What the Bible instructs could be followed by anyone who believes, including Christians, many of whom have followed those commands.

Christianity in America and much of the world has been tempered by humanism, and restrained by secular governments. Against most of Christianity, social pressure and legal action are enough to counter the damage it causes.

It would be wise for you to react to what is actually happening and what is actually believed by people.

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Bull. The theory of evolution states that all life came from one life, the common ancestor. That cannot be tested, but it's taught as if it's an indisputable fact.
There are many examples of scientific claims that are either untested or untestable.
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Did your intellectual mid force you to type "smallish"?
ToE cannot exist unless they assume that all life came from one life, one first life. As of yet, that pesky common ancestor thingymabob remains undetected and likely is undetectable. That's one big giant fuckingguess.
This is, actually, incorrect. ToE only points to the diversification of life and how that happens. The existence of a LUCA is a likely conclusion given the similarities we see in existing life. It is not an axiom as you are saying.

And, no, "that pesky common ancestor thingymabob remains undetected and likely is undetectable. That's one big giant fuckingguess" is not a guess. It just so happens that we have very very little geology that dates back farther than 3 billion years. And microbes don't fossilize well at all. Put these two facts together and it is likely we will never have fossil evidence of the earliest life. Is this so hard to grasp?

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Indoctrination is installing a doctrine into a person. Doctrines vary. Methods of indoctrination vary. Theism and atheism are not doctrines.
Atheism can be considered a rejection of theistic claims (claims that deities exist), but theism is the acceptance of at least one deity claim. It can't be a rejection of a rejection because that would lead to an infinite regress.
If atheism is a positive claim, that no deities exist, then theism could be considered the rejection of that claim. That's somewhat nonsensical. If theists are rejecting positive atheism, it's because they think they've found a god or gods that refute the claim, even though they may recognize the error in claiming as an absolute, that something that might exist does not exist.
I think it is cruel to indoctrinate children into cults, including religious ones. They should be given the tools to evaluate claims rationally with skepticism. That way they won't be fooled into believing superstitious nonsense that is difficult to remove.
You said infinite. Now you've done it.

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Hip's talking about the entire Christian community, over 2 billion people.
You're talking about one part of it, Mormon's.
You can't rightly compare the two.
Debatable whether or not Mormons are Christian...just to point out.

But you weren't the one making that claim. I do realize that.

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Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You're incorrectly summing up Harris' argument.
Imagine that.

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