Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“I see quantum effects”

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#216745 Mar 5, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
<quoted text>You're post is too boring to read, so is your personality. Evolve a little, you've spent too much time in a classroom following directions and being told what to think.
ROFL!!!

Oh wait. You were being serious, weren't you.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#216746 Mar 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You and I have an insoluble disagreement on this.
I think the case is overwhelming that our founders linked natural rights to a creator god.("endowed by nature and nature's God") This cannot be construed as humanism, in my view.
The similarity to humanism is the result of liberty and freedom of conscience afforded by the encoding of non-compliance with any religion.
I like to think we each can respect the other's view. I am not nearly as annoyed by yours as I once was. And we mostly agree on the malignancy of organized religion.
You're missing societal, cultural, religious, scholarly and political context for the above quote.

“I see quantum effects”

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#216747 Mar 5, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
<quoted text>You're not very good at "compare and contrast". Unlike "bald, color, death, fasting, nudity and abstinence, atheism is an institution, an entity that raises funds to increase its membership which is *done* "religiously" by its faithful. Get real, exile.
Where do I contribute?

Buck Crick

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#216748 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hey IANS!
Uh, life is cold! No insulation here, the biggest snowstorm since the Meiji era - it was crazy, I had to shovel for 3 hours on 2 separate days!
Otherwise, good. Research is coming along, just starting a position at a good uni here. And yourself?
Thanks for asking. I have one more week of home incarceration, then the ankle bracelet comes off. I plan to kick up my heels.

My brother Fountain brings me plenty of beer and pork products, until the last few days, as he is now recuperating from injuries incurred when he was driving his pickup truck and leaned out the window to spit and the door came open.

Peebob and I laughed like hyenas. As a Topix update, the atheists have a new guy I call Blue Baboon. He claims dinosaurs had no DNA.

Darwin Stepped-in-It is still claiming to be a mathematician, but has found little to no support for his Infinite Donut Theory. I ran it past a physicist friend of mine, and he suggested I beat the hell out of DS.

And global warming is still a hoax.

“I see quantum effects”

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#216749 Mar 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is a belief and an ideology.

Listen to one of them yammer for 30 seconds - you'll hear the ideology.

It might be nonsense, but you'll hear it.

Some of them believe dinosaurs had no DNA.

Bwahahahahahahahah...
Secular humanism is an ideology.

Atheism is merely the absence of theism.

But you keep believing whatever lie makes you feel comforted. That's what infantile minds do.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#216750 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I believe psychology technically defines insanity as believing in non-real things - their larger definition includes the supernatural. So, yeah, insane.
For whatever reason we don't call religious people insane if they belong to a religion with widespread social acceptance. However, if they belong to a small group, we have no issues labeling them and questioning their beliefs, despite all religions have equal evidence to their claims.
All religions have equal evidence to their claims?(should be "for" their claims)

I see you haven't gotten any smarter.

Judaism and Jedism have equal evidence?(The latter is a religion based on a 20th century fictional movie)

OK, then.

I'm thinking psychology might fit you into their definition of "insane", based on this one statement.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#216751 Mar 5, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Agreed. That's my point. There is no evidence that they wouldn't, and plenty that they would both from history and in the words of the Dominionists and many Topix posters. This is what I was referring to when I invited Christians to show us examples where the Christian church has ever refused to torture and/or kill in times and places when it had the power to do those things legally, but tool a moral stand and said, "No! That is not right. It would be cruel and a violation of the Golden Rule." To my knowledge, never. They have always done the most horrible things to people when they thought they could, and there is zero evidence that that has changed.
KiMare thought he made his church look better than the Muslims by comparing the Christian taliban to the Muslim taliban. The main difference is that Christians are found principally where humanism has had the most influence. Secular democracies are a humanist innovation that limit Christianity in a way that the governments of several Muslim states either cannot or will not. KiMare wants credit for his church for that.
Of course they wouldn't! And it still goes on in Africa...

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#216752 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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omg, that's crazy funny. I have one just like this, from Einstein. It reads:
"Dear Hiding,
you should listen to Buck. He's a genius and is trying to teach the entire human population the correct and only way of understand reality, and doing so on the only outlet that matters: Topix. Oh, and Riversideredneck should be the Protestant pope.
hahaha, Hiding, just kidding. Now get off Topix and go back to your work, you lazy ****.
Love,
dead Einstein."
I always knew that Einstein guy was smart - despite the hair.

I object to him calling you names. Lazy or not.

"Decorum is some important shit".
-Buck B. Crick

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#216753 Mar 5, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I prefer brutal honesty, so I call them insane anyhow.
But I get what you are saying, here.
See if you get this, Blob.

You have no brutal honesty. You have brutal stupidity.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#216754 Mar 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
If the guy simply believed that God told him to? No.
If the guy built bombs, set up plans, dates and times and was actually gonna do it? Yes.
You see, the latter is action, the former - belief. There's no justifiable reason to kill a man for a belief.
Also, why did you include children in your hypothetical? Do you think it'd be somehow more tragic if children died instead of adults?
Well answered.

And yes, it would be more tragic if children were involved - as they have been in some terrorist attacks. Guess I was being emotive.

Buck Crick

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#216756 Mar 5, 2014
OG Kush wrote:
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Yes!
Sarcasm and truth... Double whammy!
"These highly educated, brilliantly innovative people" (sarcasm)
ELECTED the man and people you love to hate.
LOL
Is the general population of the USA both ignorant and stupid?
The election results pose the obvious question.
The Voters elected the POTUS and they are the MAJORITY, what does that say for your dismal future?
How much do you trust your elected government?
Are the Dems any better than Reps?
They both suck... and not well.
How do you know I'm not a NSA mole; gathering subversive information on topics posters?
Keyword progression association?
Nah... OG finds voters unremarkable, uninformed, and it shows. You have the govt the voters wanted. Quit whining or reeducate the population.
Oligarchy
Look it up - sound familiar?
Kenneth! What is the frequency?!

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#216757 Mar 5, 2014
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Hey Christine!
Good, busy with research and writing up. I hope you are good!
Christine recently proved there is no god using E=mc^2.

And she proved the Pope is an atheist.

I'm sure you are pleased someone has continued your work here.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216758 Mar 5, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
You and I have an insoluble disagreement on this. I think the case is overwhelming that our founders linked natural rights to a creator god.("endowed by nature and nature's God") This cannot be construed as humanism, in my view. The similarity to humanism is the result of liberty and freedom of conscience afforded by the encoding of non-compliance with any religion. I like to think we each can respect the other's view. I am not nearly as annoyed by yours as I once was. And we mostly agree on the malignancy of organized religion.
I'm glad that we both seem to want to get along. Differing opinions about the world aren't a reason to sacrifice that.

We've discussed this objection of yours before. It was the late eighteenth century. It was expedient to give lip service to a creator. There is nothing connecting this creator to the Christian god or any ideology extant at the time of the Founders.

The philosophical underpinnings of the American government are all Enlightenment ideas, as is humanism. These are all reactions to the traditions of the Middle Ages which included Christian theocracies and concepts like the divine right of kings. Americanism is a repudiation of kings, aristocrats, and authoritarianism.

I can't give faith based systems any credit for the incredible new ideas embodied in that Constitution because of the inclusion of a word or phrase about creators in the Declaration, and none in the Constitution itself.

Furthermore there is nothing in the Christian bible or any other holy book to my knowledge to support the ideas in the US Constitution / Bill of Rights. Where are democracy, egalitarianism, personal liberty, the rule of law, and secular government in the bible or any other faith based system existing before the rise of humanism?

This new form of government - liberal democracy - was a humanist vision, one that saw human beings as autonomous, self-governing citizens. This was in stark contrast to previous traditions that saw people as powerless subjects under the thumbs of god and king.

I can't see ignoring all of that because, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

How would the world be different if it had read, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are equal and deserving of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."?

Buck Crick

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#216759 Mar 5, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Isn it just me, or is this one of most childish things ever, posting a letter from an anonymous scientist and expecting anyone to believe it. Maybe he really believes everyone is just as stupid and as gullible as he is.
You nailed it, Blue Baboon. I believe you are stupid and gullible.

You are prescient.

Buck Crick

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#216760 Mar 5, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
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Oh, you are oh so wrong. Buck knows everything about everything.[/sarcasm]
Thanks, madam.

Buck Crick

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#216761 Mar 5, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
http://abstrusegoose.com/strip s/i_know_someone_like_this_but _im_pretty_sure_she_just_does_ it_to_torture_me.png
Does this remind you of anyone?
Are those circular figures infinite in length?

Took a lot of ink to draw them, if so.

Buck Crick

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#216762 Mar 5, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You're full of shit as usual.
Nice rebuttal, Blue Baboon.

Buck Crick

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#216763 Mar 5, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never said that infinity exists in the material world. That is one of Buck's straw men.
I have always maintained that infinity is a mathematical concept.
Buck has disputed what that concept is. He has been very wrong. As in...
<quoted text>
You asked for it:

Buck Crick wrote:

<quoted text>
There is a contradiction unless you use different rules.

Darwin's Stepchild wrote:

No contradiction. The contradiction arises IF you try to use the same rules.

RiversideRedneck

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#216764 Mar 5, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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The level of confidence about something maybe very high, so high that some people consider it indisputable fact, but the truth is nothing is guaranteed 100%, and while the LUCA has not been discovered as we know it . There are plenty of MRCA's in the animal kingdom that show common descent to be true.
You lost me with the LUCA, don't even bring up a MRCA...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216765 Mar 5, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
There's no justifiable reason to kill a man for a belief..
How about to keep him conscious and torture him for eternity for his beliefs? Are there justifiable reasons to do that?

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