Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#216668 Mar 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
http://abstrusegoose.com/strip s/i_know_someone_like_this_but _im_pretty_sure_she_just_does_ it_to_torture_me.png
Does this remind you of anyone?
Sadly, far too many.
Red

Redlands, CA

#216669 Mar 4, 2014
OG Kush wrote:
Hey don't assign any blame to me.
The highly educated population of these United States of America decided that Obama was definitely better than Sarah Palin and John McCain.
The same brilliant innovative people also decided overwhelmingly that mitt Romney was a very poor choice for president.
The highly educated, brilliantly innovative people that voted for Obama.

&sn s=em

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#216670 Mar 4, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Or like Ralph Kramden, homanahomanahomanahomana.
one of these days

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216671 Mar 4, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
<quoted text>
At best this would make Christians charitable. Certainly doesn't prove Christianity is correct or that atheists require some kind of faith.
It clearly is evidence of how our belief systems affect our lives...

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216672 Mar 4, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
I never claimed to be convinced ,and the only things I argue is science vs theological claims.
Such as people who claim genesis is an accurate depiction of the creation of Earth, which s very silly. But I agree to argue about whether of not there is a god is silly too, but then we can argue the bible rendition or the Hebrew god Yahweh / Jehovah is mythology can't we.
Why do you argue 'silly things'???

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216673 Mar 4, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Just as I said.
3% of the money that goes in the collection plate, on the national average, ends up outside the church itself on so-called "missions and outreach".
That leaves what?
97%. That's how much of "charitable giving", on average, pays for nothing but salaries, insurance, heat, light, maintenance - administrative costs of the church.
Like I said, this argument of yours, that gets trotted out endlessly by Xtians and conservatives alike, glosses over the fact that 97% of Christian "charitable giving" supports the church, NOT a bona fide charity.
Source?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216674 Mar 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, where did you get this information, other than your Topix Atheist! imagination?
I think he is confusing liberal churches that don't believe in a real god with real Churches.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216675 Mar 4, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, ya need to look good, live good, have nice facilities, drive nice cars, and get your message out using everything including media and show how well God has rewarded you for preaching the word if ya want to attract a more members to your church....... to pay for it all. God's word don't come cheap.
I mean, who's gonna listen and donate money to some guy driving a 74 pinto preaching love, fellowship, and brotherhood in the basement of some hall? You might just as well listen to some long haired hippy wearing robes and riding around on a donkey saying the same stuff and being ridiculed for it.
Yeah, that describes most ministers in a community, right?

Oh wait, how would you know???

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216676 Mar 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians make up between 80% and 90% of the population. And they are responsible for 32% of charitable donations?
That means non-Christians...between 10% and 20% of the population...are responsible for 68% of all charitable donations.
Wow, those Christians are even stingier than I thought.
BTW...the Bill and Melinda Gate Foundation was started in 1997, meaning it has been around 17 years. As of last year, Bill Gates had personally donated 28 BILLION to the foundation. So, 28 billion over 16 years...1.75 billion per year on average. More than 8 times all your Christians combined.
And that is just one atheist.
BTW...add all Christians and just Bill Gates...just the one atheist...Christians only donated 11% of that total. Using your figures, your 32% is WAY high.
(BTW...it only took a few seconds to come up with the facts about Bill Gates and his charity. But, of course, you couldn't be bothered to spend even that little time checking some facts. For you, "facts" are what you want to be true.)
(And BTW...I personally think you have WAY understated what Christians actually give.$214 million might sound really big...until you realize that is less than $1 per person in the US.)
Christians make up 80 to 90%? Really.

I think maybe you need to post some sources sonny...

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216677 Mar 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
RR needs to check his figures.$214 million is pocket change (literally) on the scale of the national population.
https://philanthropy.com/article/America-s-Ge...

Your 'rational atheist' brain puked out ignorance.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#216678 Mar 4, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
How vile would you rate an opinion that people deserve to be tortured for an eternity for lacking a specific belief?
You are confused.

How vile would it be to require a free will to spend eternity with someone they reject?

Smile.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#216679 Mar 4, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> one of these days
To the moon, Alice, to the moon!!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#216680 Mar 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.
The Affirmations of Humanism - A Statement of Principles
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php/12
• We are committed to the application of reason and science to the understanding of the universe and to the solving of human problems.
• We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence, to seek to explain the world in supernatural terms, and to look outside nature for salvation.
• We believe that scientific discovery and technology can contribute to the betterment of human life.
• We believe in an open and pluralistic society and that democracy is the best guarantee of protecting human rights from authoritarian elites and repressive majorities.
• We are committed to the principle of the separation of church and state.
• We cultivate the arts of negotiation and compromise as a means of resolving differences and achieving mutual understanding.
• We are concerned with securing justice and fairness in society and with eliminating discrimination and intolerance.
• We believe in supporting the disadvantaged and the handicapped so that they will be able to help themselves.
• We attempt to transcend divisive parochial loyalties based on race, religion, gender, nationality, creed, class, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, and strive to work together for the common good of humanity.
• We want to protect and enhance the earth, to preserve it for future generations, and to avoid inflicting needless suffering on other species.
• We believe in enjoying life here and now and in developing our creative talents to their fullest.
• We believe in the cultivation of moral excellence.
• We respect the right to privacy. Mature adults should be allowed to fulfill tprophheir aspirations, to express their sexual preferences, to exercise reproductive freedom, to have access to comprehensive and informed health-care, and to die with dignity.
• We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity, honesty, truthfulness, responsibility. Humanist ethics is amenable to critical, rational guidance. There are normative standards that we discover together. Moral principles are tested by their consequences.
• We are deeply concerned with the moral education of our children. We want to nourish reason and compassion.
• We are engaged by the arts no less than by the sciences.
• We are citizens of the universe and are excited by discoveries still to be made in the cosmos.
• We are skeptical of untested claims to knowledge, and we are open to novel ideas and seek new departures in our thinking.
• We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others.
• We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than despair, learning in the place of dogma, truth instead of ignorance, joy rather than guilt or sin, tolerance in the place of fear, love instead of hatred, compassion over selfishness, beauty instead of ugliness, and reason rather than blind faith or irrationality.
• We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that we are capable of as human beings.
Sounds great!

But still can't give us a poster child example, can you.

Wonder why the 'rational humanist' rubber never meets the road...

Snicker.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#216681 Mar 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
http://abstrusegoose.com/strip s/i_know_someone_like_this_but _im_pretty_sure_she_just_does_ it_to_torture_me.png

Does this remind you of anyone?
Lol. Ar ar. My best guess.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#216682 Mar 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
But they make up 75% of the country. You've got the other 25% of us non-Christians accounting for the other 68%. I'm guessing that you messed up your statistics again.
<quoted text>
In 2012, there were about 313 million Americans, or about 235 million Christians. Converted to a per capita rate (ducks), 214 million dollars works out to just over 90 cents a throw each per year - nearly two cents a week each Christian. Is that what you meant?
More statistics.
Ah, gotta love that

'rational humanist' math oxymoron.

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#216683 Mar 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
especially since much of the other 97% is used to work against the interests of most unbelievers.
You mean the food banks? Or was it to stop the sex trade slavery of children?

How's that fit the 'rational humanist' oxymoron articles of faith?

Smirk.
OG Kush

Jacksonville, FL

#216684 Mar 4, 2014
Red wrote:
<quoted text>
The highly educated, brilliantly innovative people that voted for Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =e_JJLLfTR8IXX&sns=em
Yes!
Sarcasm and truth... Double whammy!

"These highly educated, brilliantly innovative people" (sarcasm)
ELECTED the man and people you love to hate.
LOL

Is the general population of the USA both ignorant and stupid?

The election results pose the obvious question.

The Voters elected the POTUS and they are the MAJORITY, what does that say for your dismal future?

How much do you trust your elected government?
Are the Dems any better than Reps?
They both suck... and not well.

How do you know I'm not a NSA mole; gathering subversive information on topics posters?
Keyword progression association?

Nah... OG finds voters unremarkable, uninformed, and it shows. You have the govt the voters wanted. Quit whining or reeducate the population.

Oligarchy
Look it up - sound familiar?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's teapot

#216685 Mar 4, 2014
virtuanna wrote:
You prove what kind of idiot you are in defending a man who has evil intentions towards people who have never done him any harm.
Even Little Red Ridinghood could have recognized the fangs under Harris's lying lips.
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I think I get it. You've got a crush on Sam Harris. You should send him one of these:
http://www.hollyandtheicing.com/wp-content/up...
FANGINA!
http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg601/sca...

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216686 Mar 4, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Christians make up 80 to 90%? Really.
I think maybe you need to post some sources sonny...
Smile.
Oh. Please forgive me. That's old news. It was 80% in 2005. Now it is 76%.

Still doesn't help RR with his argument. That Christian 76% donates 32% of the charity in the US.

Wow. Look at those generous Christians compared to those stingy non-Christians (the 24% that give 68% of the charity.)

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216687 Mar 4, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
https://philanthropy.com/article/America-s-Ge...
Your 'rational atheist' brain puked out ignorance.
Smile.
You should note...

1) the $214 million figure was RR's, not mine

and

2) I clearly stated that I thought RR's figure was way low.

As usual, you misrepresent.

KiMare...the veracity challenged.

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