Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#216447 Mar 3, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>There's yet another of your self-serving factoids that illuminate nothing.
Ya see, the way you arrive at that number is simple - it's derived from what people claim on their tax forms as "charitable giving". And the money in the collection plate qualifies.
Let me ask you this - how much of that 32% "charity" is actually money in the collection plate? And how much of that collection plate money goes to pay church salaries, light and heat bills, brick and mortar projects for ever larger glorious edifices of "worship", etc?
Conversely, how how much of that money actually goes to true charitable causes? I know the number - it averages about 3% nationwide.
97% of that 32% pays for mundane administrative costs, 3% allegedly given by Christians ends up aiding a worthy cause.
Hey, I'm not knocking their giving. Not at all. It's all good. All I'm saying is I'm tired of seeing this "Xtians donate most and here's the number" argument trotted out like it actually means something as far as relative altruism. It doesn't.
Where did you get this:

97% of that 32% pays for mundane administrative costs

??

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#216448 Mar 3, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
OK, I can live with that.
So long as you don't hit me, like you did your wife and your baby.
I offer no promises.

If you stalk me too much and show up at my front door one day, hitting is guaranteed.
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#216449 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
In 2013, Zuckerberg donated 3% of his income.
Warren Buffet donated 5% in the same year.
Bill Gates? As wonderful as his charity is, he's profiting more than he's donating. There's a negative number there somewhere.
Christians are instructed to donate 10% and a lot of them do.
Christians represent 32% of all charitable donations. In 2012, they donated over 214 million dollars. Compare that to your billionaire philanthropists.
Zuckerberg only donated 3% of his income to the tune of $970 million.
What a cheap bastard, huh?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mark...
Buffett donated only 5% in the amount of 2.6 billion.
Another tightwad according to your numbers
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexmorrell/2013/...
I have no idea what you're talking about concerning Bill Gates, but coming from you it's probably misinformation, and I have to leave for a meeting.
Not too shabby for amoral, misguided atheists, huh? Don't forget, I haven't included Bill Gates.

Since: Nov 13

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#216450 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
In 2013, Zuckerberg donated 3% of his income.
Warren Buffet donated 5% in the same year.
Bill Gates? As wonderful as his charity is, he's profiting more than he's donating. There's a negative number there somewhere.
Christians are instructed to donate 10% and a lot of them do.
Christians represent 32% of all charitable donations. In 2012, they donated over 214 million dollars. Compare that to your billionaire philanthropists.
At best this would make Christians charitable. Certainly doesn't prove Christianity is correct or that atheists require some kind of faith.
YellowStar

Eden Prairie, MN

#216451 Mar 3, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry YS atheism is about already convinced , you're confusing things here.
Science makes no claims of anything that cannot be tested.
Nope, you're confused.

Science is a process, Science is still learning knew things, yet you are already convinced you know. Some people have to "know" in order to sleep soundly at night and some people do not.

If you "knew" and were convinced you knew then you wouldn't waste your time here arguing with people who don't know but think they do, you would have moved on with your life having certainty in mind and no need to argue about any of it.

NEXT!
YellowStar

Eden Prairie, MN

#216452 Mar 3, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry YS atheism is about already convinced , you're confusing things here.
Science makes no claims of anything that cannot be tested.
Oh, BTW, science has yet to adequately explain human consciousness....which can be tested but not to the scientific standard in order to completely explain it and it's dynamics.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#216453 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Bull. The theory of evolution states that all life came from one life, the common ancestor. That cannot be tested, but it's taught as if it's an indisputable fact.
There are many examples of scientific claims that are either untested or untestable.
Wrong Ar Ar the theory states life arose from a common ancestor, the LUCA is under investigation, the fact that it hasn't been found doesn't make it untestable.
It only means we have followed the trail to where the tracks are washed away.
So far the theory holds true up to this point, if it is found there wasn't a LUCA the theory would have to be revised. But far from being taught as undisputed fact, all facts of science are under dispute and are falsifiable. Exactly opposite of what you are saying.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#216454 Mar 3, 2014
Anon wrote:
Zuckerberg only donated 3% of his income to the tune of $970 million.
What a cheap bastard, huh?
3% is 3%. That is kinda cheap, yeah.

Put it in perspective, if your income is $35,000, 3% is a thousand bucks. Big deal.

Or a different perspective: Zuckerberg has $30 billion. Change that to $30, could you spare 9 cents to donate to charity?
Buffett donated only 5% in the amount of 2.6 billion.


Since he's got $60 billion, yes $2.6 is cheap, too.
I have no idea what you're talking about concerning Bill Gates,
I know you don't. I also know you couldn't find any info from the googlers.
but coming from you it's probably misinformation, and I have to leave for a meeting.
Not too shabby for amoral, misguided atheists, huh? Don't forget, I haven't included Bill Gates.
Always the skeptic....

"Gates is $9.8 billion richer since the start of 2013, according to Bloomberg's Billionaire Index."

According to records, Gates donates $4.6 billion per year between 2007-2012.

Donates 4.6. Earns 9.8.

Imagine that.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-ric...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#216455 Mar 3, 2014
Six_Of_One wrote:
<quoted text>
At best this would make Christians charitable. Certainly doesn't prove Christianity is correct or that atheists require some kind of faith.
The title here is a question, "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" I'd have to answer no, religion requires more faith.

But atheism, the belief that deities don't exist, is not proven in any way whatsoever. To believe that requires faith, trust, belief.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#216456 Mar 3, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, you're confused.
Science is a process, Science is still learning knew things, yet you are already convinced you know. Some people have to "know" in order to sleep soundly at night and some people do not.
If you "knew" and were convinced you knew then you wouldn't waste your time here arguing with people who don't know but think they do, you would have moved on with your life having certainty in mind and no need to argue about any of it.
NEXT!
I never claimed to be convinced ,and the only things I argue is science vs theological claims.
Such as people who claim genesis is an accurate depiction of the creation of Earth, which s very silly. But I agree to argue about whether of not there is a god is silly too, but then we can argue the bible rendition or the Hebrew god Yahweh / Jehovah is mythology can't we.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#216457 Mar 3, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, BTW, science has yet to adequately explain human consciousness....which can be tested but not to the scientific standard in order to completely explain it and it's dynamics.
That's changing from a academic standard, of course from a philosophical pov anything can be argued forever.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#216458 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Bull. The theory of evolution states that all life came from one life, the common ancestor.
Aura Mytha wrote:
Wrong Ar Ar the theory states life arose from a common ancestor {SNIP}
Um....

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#216459 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Bull. The theory of evolution states that all life came from one life, the common ancestor.
<quoted text>
Um....
It's not taught as undisputed fact , nothing in science is undisputed fact.
YellowStar

Eden Prairie, MN

#216461 Mar 3, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
I never claimed to be convinced ,and the only things I argue is science vs theological claims.
Such as people who claim genesis is an accurate depiction of the creation of Earth, which s very silly. But I agree to argue about whether of not there is a god is silly too, but then we can argue the bible rendition or the Hebrew god Yahweh / Jehovah is mythology can't we.
You can do whatever you wan't, that is the beauty of being free...., free to pass the time and entertain yourself however you see fit....so long as it doesn't impinge on someone else's freedom to do the same. I have no beef with that.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#216462 Mar 3, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a coward and my 8!tch
Yep and you're a ™¼ watt enlightened christard self licking ice cream cone.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#216463 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you get this:
97% of that 32% pays for mundane administrative costs
??
Just as I said.

3% of the money that goes in the collection plate, on the national average, ends up outside the church itself on so-called "missions and outreach".

That leaves what?

97%. That's how much of "charitable giving", on average, pays for nothing but salaries, insurance, heat, light, maintenance - administrative costs of the church.

Like I said, this argument of yours, that gets trotted out endlessly by Xtians and conservatives alike, glosses over the fact that 97% of Christian "charitable giving" supports the church, NOT a bona fide charity.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#216464 Mar 3, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not taught as undisputed fact , nothing in science is undisputed fact.
Oh don't give me that. When was the last time you looked at a high school science book? I've got two kids in high school and there are many things that their science teacher (and book) teaches as fact.

Some of it is fact, some of it is conjecture, like the mysterious and yet undiscovered common ancestor.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#216465 Mar 3, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Just as I said.
3% of the money that goes in the collection plate, on the national average, ends up outside the church itself on so-called "missions and outreach".
That leaves what?
97%. That's how much of "charitable giving", on average, pays for nothing but salaries, insurance, heat, light, maintenance - administrative costs of the church.
Like I said, this argument of yours, that gets trotted out endlessly by Xtians and conservatives alike, glosses over the fact that 97% of Christian "charitable giving" supports the church, NOT a bona fide charity.
Again, where did you get this information, other than your Topix Atheist! imagination?

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#216466 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh don't give me that. When was the last time you looked at a high school science book? I've got two kids in high school and there are many things that their science teacher (and book) teaches as fact.
Some of it is fact, some of it is conjecture, like the mysterious and yet undiscovered common ancestor.
You should have home-schooled them.

HAHAHAHAHA

Get it?
YellowStar

Eden Prairie, MN

#216467 Mar 3, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Just as I said.
3% of the money that goes in the collection plate, on the national average, ends up outside the church itself on so-called "missions and outreach".
That leaves what?
97%. That's how much of "charitable giving", on average, pays for nothing but salaries, insurance, heat, light, maintenance - administrative costs of the church.
Like I said, this argument of yours, that gets trotted out endlessly by Xtians and conservatives alike, glosses over the fact that 97% of Christian "charitable giving" supports the church, NOT a bona fide charity.
Well, ya need to look good, live good, have nice facilities, drive nice cars, and get your message out using everything including media and show how well God has rewarded you for preaching the word if ya want to attract a more members to your church....... to pay for it all. God's word don't come cheap.

I mean, who's gonna listen and donate money to some guy driving a 74 pinto preaching love, fellowship, and brotherhood in the basement of some hall? You might just as well listen to some long haired hippy wearing robes and riding around on a donkey saying the same stuff and being ridiculed for it.

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