Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#216456 Mar 3, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
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Nope, you're confused.
Science is a process, Science is still learning knew things, yet you are already convinced you know. Some people have to "know" in order to sleep soundly at night and some people do not.
If you "knew" and were convinced you knew then you wouldn't waste your time here arguing with people who don't know but think they do, you would have moved on with your life having certainty in mind and no need to argue about any of it.
NEXT!
I never claimed to be convinced ,and the only things I argue is science vs theological claims.
Such as people who claim genesis is an accurate depiction of the creation of Earth, which s very silly. But I agree to argue about whether of not there is a god is silly too, but then we can argue the bible rendition or the Hebrew god Yahweh / Jehovah is mythology can't we.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#216457 Mar 3, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
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Oh, BTW, science has yet to adequately explain human consciousness....which can be tested but not to the scientific standard in order to completely explain it and it's dynamics.
That's changing from a academic standard, of course from a philosophical pov anything can be argued forever.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216458 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Bull. The theory of evolution states that all life came from one life, the common ancestor.
Aura Mytha wrote:
Wrong Ar Ar the theory states life arose from a common ancestor {SNIP}
Um....

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#216459 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Bull. The theory of evolution states that all life came from one life, the common ancestor.
<quoted text>
Um....
It's not taught as undisputed fact , nothing in science is undisputed fact.
YellowStar

Eden Prairie, MN

#216461 Mar 3, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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I never claimed to be convinced ,and the only things I argue is science vs theological claims.
Such as people who claim genesis is an accurate depiction of the creation of Earth, which s very silly. But I agree to argue about whether of not there is a god is silly too, but then we can argue the bible rendition or the Hebrew god Yahweh / Jehovah is mythology can't we.
You can do whatever you wan't, that is the beauty of being free...., free to pass the time and entertain yourself however you see fit....so long as it doesn't impinge on someone else's freedom to do the same. I have no beef with that.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#216462 Mar 3, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a coward and my 8!tch
Yep and you're a ™¼ watt enlightened christard self licking ice cream cone.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#216463 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Where did you get this:
97% of that 32% pays for mundane administrative costs
??
Just as I said.

3% of the money that goes in the collection plate, on the national average, ends up outside the church itself on so-called "missions and outreach".

That leaves what?

97%. That's how much of "charitable giving", on average, pays for nothing but salaries, insurance, heat, light, maintenance - administrative costs of the church.

Like I said, this argument of yours, that gets trotted out endlessly by Xtians and conservatives alike, glosses over the fact that 97% of Christian "charitable giving" supports the church, NOT a bona fide charity.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216464 Mar 3, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
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It's not taught as undisputed fact , nothing in science is undisputed fact.
Oh don't give me that. When was the last time you looked at a high school science book? I've got two kids in high school and there are many things that their science teacher (and book) teaches as fact.

Some of it is fact, some of it is conjecture, like the mysterious and yet undiscovered common ancestor.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216465 Mar 3, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Just as I said.
3% of the money that goes in the collection plate, on the national average, ends up outside the church itself on so-called "missions and outreach".
That leaves what?
97%. That's how much of "charitable giving", on average, pays for nothing but salaries, insurance, heat, light, maintenance - administrative costs of the church.
Like I said, this argument of yours, that gets trotted out endlessly by Xtians and conservatives alike, glosses over the fact that 97% of Christian "charitable giving" supports the church, NOT a bona fide charity.
Again, where did you get this information, other than your Topix Atheist! imagination?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#216466 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh don't give me that. When was the last time you looked at a high school science book? I've got two kids in high school and there are many things that their science teacher (and book) teaches as fact.
Some of it is fact, some of it is conjecture, like the mysterious and yet undiscovered common ancestor.
You should have home-schooled them.

HAHAHAHAHA

Get it?
YellowStar

Eden Prairie, MN

#216467 Mar 3, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Just as I said.
3% of the money that goes in the collection plate, on the national average, ends up outside the church itself on so-called "missions and outreach".
That leaves what?
97%. That's how much of "charitable giving", on average, pays for nothing but salaries, insurance, heat, light, maintenance - administrative costs of the church.
Like I said, this argument of yours, that gets trotted out endlessly by Xtians and conservatives alike, glosses over the fact that 97% of Christian "charitable giving" supports the church, NOT a bona fide charity.
Well, ya need to look good, live good, have nice facilities, drive nice cars, and get your message out using everything including media and show how well God has rewarded you for preaching the word if ya want to attract a more members to your church....... to pay for it all. God's word don't come cheap.

I mean, who's gonna listen and donate money to some guy driving a 74 pinto preaching love, fellowship, and brotherhood in the basement of some hall? You might just as well listen to some long haired hippy wearing robes and riding around on a donkey saying the same stuff and being ridiculed for it.

“The future begins”

Since: Jul 07

every moment

#216468 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Again, where did you get this information, other than your Topix Atheist! imagination?
Now that's odd. You zip off all these factoids at your fingertips when you want them - why is it you can't seem to confirm (or refute) this simple fact?

I get this from my days as a Christian, when I served in church administration. I could tell you what the figures were at my church, right down to the individual if wanted, and how these numbers contrasted against the national average. Any church administrator could do the same, if they're any good at their job. It is vital to planning and budget-setting. The fact is, the average for "tithing" is something less than 3% of income

By th way, you cite a 10% tithe - nothing in the NT supports that assertion, and, when it's convenient, you claim the OT doesn't apply to Xtians. So there's another of your "factoids" you threw out there with no real number backup, which you then disparagingly contrasted against the REAL percentages of Buffet, Gates, et al.

Never mind the actual numbers if they overtask your factoid bank - The long and short of it is that the vast majority of so-called "Christian charitable donations" go to internal church functions, NOT external charity. Contrast that against Buffet's numbers now.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216470 Mar 3, 2014
HipGnosis wrote:
<quoted text>Now that's odd. You zip off all these factoids at your fingertips when you want them - why is it you can't seem to confirm (or refute) this simple fact?
I get this from my days as a Christian, when I served in church administration. I could tell you what the figures were at my church, right down to the individual if wanted, and how these numbers contrasted against the national average. Any church administrator could do the same, if they're any good at their job. It is vital to planning and budget-setting. The fact is, the average for "tithing" is something less than 3% of income
By th way, you cite a 10% tithe - nothing in the NT supports that assertion, and, when it's convenient, you claim the OT doesn't apply to Xtians. So there's another of your "factoids" you threw out there with no real number backup, which you then disparagingly contrasted against the REAL percentages of Buffet, Gates, et al.
Never mind the actual numbers if they overtask your factoid bank - The long and short of it is that the vast majority of so-called "Christian charitable donations" go to internal church functions, NOT external charity. Contrast that against Buffet's numbers now.
Oh.

Well your personal experience means nothing as far as the whole of Christian charity goes.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216471 Mar 3, 2014
Catcher1 wrote:
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You should have home-schooled them.
HAHAHAHAHA
Get it?
No.

I don't get dork humor.

Off the the Jim.

You can have this thread mañana, I'm taking a day.
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#216472 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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The title here is a question, "Atheism requires as much faith as religion?" I'd have to answer no, religion requires more faith.
But atheism, the belief that deities don't exist, is not proven in any way whatsoever. To believe that requires faith, trust, belief.
Why are you competing with Duck Pri ck for stupidest post again!?
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#216473 Mar 3, 2014
YellowStar wrote:
Considering the question posed on this thread I'd have to say no, needing absolute proof is what atheism is all about. The problem there is you can't know what you don't know or have no way of knowing. The scientific method is always turning up new evidence and reaching new conclusions as it advances.
The problem with religion is it purports to know what it doesn't really know. It often has no scientific proof or validation for many of it's claims or irrefutable historical evidence, often requires blind faith....much like a con-man does from his victims, and often rejects a scientific pursuit of knowledge and understanding which may validate some of it's claims(I said some...). Science is a just a process after all and nothing more.
Religious people and atheists arguing about who is right is like two ugly hags arguing who looks best at a beauty contest, they both leave something to be desired.
Let the games begin, you may now attack me from both sides.
atheism is a LACK of belief in gods,

No faith needed,I'm glad you agree
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#216474 Mar 3, 2014
Anon wrote:
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Zuckerberg only donated 3% of his income to the tune of $970 million.
What a cheap bastard, huh?
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mark...
Buffett donated only 5% in the amount of 2.6 billion.
Another tightwad according to your numbers
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexmorrell/2013/...
I have no idea what you're talking about concerning Bill Gates, but coming from you it's probably misinformation, and I have to leave for a meeting.
Not too shabby for amoral, misguided atheists, huh? Don't forget, I haven't included Bill Gates.
What is it with these lazy kristains always begging for a handout?

Get of your azz and get a job!

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#216475 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
I don't get dork humor.
Off the the Jim.
You can have this thread mañana, I'm taking a day.
O.K.

But tell me, where did you put Thing Two?

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#216477 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh don't give me that. When was the last time you looked at a high school science book? I've got two kids in high school and there are many things that their science teacher (and book) teaches as fact.
Some of it is fact, some of it is conjecture, like the mysterious and yet undiscovered common ancestor.
The level of confidence about something maybe very high, so high that some people consider it indisputable fact, but the truth is nothing is guaranteed 100%, and while the LUCA has not been discovered as we know it . There are plenty of MRCA's in the animal kingdom that show common descent to be true.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#216478 Mar 3, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Latrines?!
Dang those atheist freethinkers sure are helpful.
Yup, latrines. Because the localities didn't have any sanitation facilities at all. So, yes, latrines are very important to villages that have been suffering from disease due to open wastes.

You don't have much of an imagination, do you. Incapable of seeing what poor sanitation can wreak. And don't really care, apparently.

While these Christian groups build churches...that aren't needed and don't help anyone.

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