Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216054 Mar 2, 2014
Eagle 12 wrote:
Let’s not forget that you are also very biased and intolerant against those who believe in God.
You're projecting. It is actually Christianity that is hostile to its critics. Do I need to repeat the scriptures that teach Christian atheophobia, or quote the public figures that reinforce it?

In contrast, we merely reject faith as a way of knowing truth and your god claims. We accursed, nor do we have no fantasies about you burning in hell, nor any other ill will for you. Where is the bigotry there?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216055 Mar 2, 2014
"We accursed"

should read

"We do not consider you accursed"

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#216056 Mar 2, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. that's the reason for the questions ..
.. are we the sum total of our experience, is it hard-wiring, the influence of authority figures ??..
.. or, do all these things form personal beliefs ??..
If you're willing to invest the time, the links I supplied on the psychology of belief go into that in detail. There are a whole host of psychological mechanisms at play.

The Psychology of Belief from AntiCitizenX

[1]

[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[6] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[7] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[9] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch...

I found nine more videos from the same source comprising two more series bundled here
http://www.youtube.com/watch... (all 9 parts), which are also available unbundled. The last four are a response to objections to the first five.

Philosophical Failures of Christian Apologetics from AntiCitizenX

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4](unable to find separately)
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Responding to Objections from AntiCitizenX

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Here are a few ideas that are discussed there:

[1] Need for closure - psychological term that describe an individual's desire for a firm answer to a question and an aversion toward ambiguity.

[2] Psychological attribution - the tendency to assign reasons and infer the causes of events or behaviors.

[3] Patternicity (apophenia and pareidolia)- the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data.

[4] Agenticity - the belief that things are controlled by a thinking and deciding mind, a type of anthropomophization.

[5] Teleological thinking – hardwired tendency to see things as having a purpose.

[6] Desire to conform - the need for social acceptance, greater than the need for objective truth.

[7] Belief perseverance - the tendency to cling to ideas even when confronted with evidence to the contrary. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-belief-persev...

[8] Confirmation bias - the tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs

Combine those basic tendencies with these manipulation techniques:

[9] Informational influence - public conformity occurring when people accept the opinions of others about reality even against their own impressions.

[10] Misinformation effect - the tendency for false information (perhaps suggested by a leading question) to become integrated into memory

[11] Recognition conformity - misinformation effect combined with the information influence ("It was a miracle!")

[12] Primacy effect - things learned first seem most important (teach them young)

[13] Compliance techniques
(a) Low-ball technique - involves getting a person to make a commitment and then raising the terms or stakes of that commitment, such as just have faith followed by much more.
(b) Reciprocity - people are more likely to comply if they feel that the other person has already done something for them, like die for our sins.

Since: Jan 11

United States

#216057 Mar 2, 2014
Aura Mytha wrote:
The problem with it isn't what it stands for, it's the way the government attached things to it, and made it a tax that means fines for non compliance. Never before have Americans been forced to buy a service or pay a fine. The other problem is the timing, I see it as just another way the government to make revenue, which means they aren't really concerned about you, but are about your money. We are fast losing freedom here, and we're soon to wake up with none.
If the government was really concerned about you and your health, they would have mandated a flat rate and footed the bill themselves, but as it is the government has raided all the money set for SS medicaid and has their claws firmly in us now. This is nothing more than another unsustainable pyramid scheme, that produces money from fines for them.
"The middle way is no way at all. If we finally fail in this great and glorious contest, it will be by bewildering ourselves in groping for the middle way." ~John Adams

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#216058 Mar 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
The biggest savings in health care costs will be that poor people will no longer require emergency room visits to get treatment. They will be able to get treatment in a doctors office for the vast majority of ills, plus they will get preventative medicine which will save bunches.

.
Oh,...really? You like to repeat liberal myths, huh?

Oregon Study Exposes Another ObamaCare Falsehood: Rather Than Reduce Unnecessary ER Use, Medicaid Increases It

"Over an 18-month period, 100 low-income, uninsured adults in the Portland area would visit the ER about once each, on average. When Medicaid made health care “free” these households, they made an additional 40 visits over that period — a 40-percent increase."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/201...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#216059 Mar 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>

Republicans seem to think that providing medical care for everyone is an evil thing. Especially since it passed under Obama.
Do you ever look before you lie, Stepped In Dog Shit?

Is that what Obamacare does - provide medical care for everyone? Well, let's see:

" CBO: Uninsured Under Obamacare Never Falls Below 30 Million"

Also, notice this:

"... the budget office’s new economic report, released Tuesday, says the health care law will cause Americans to work fewer hours — enough to be the equivalent of 2 million fewer jobs in 2017." *

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/obamaca...

*Since I did not copy and paste the entire Congressional Budget Office Report, "Stepped-In-Dog-Shit " will consider this a fraudulent quotation. Please bear with us.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#216060 Mar 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice that quite a few of our theists are big on denial.
And that's not the river in Africa.
I'm a theist. This theist says your statement that Obamacare provides medical care for everyone is a bald -faced lie.

Would you like to back up your statement?

Show us your evidence that it provides medical care for everyone, Crockthorton.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#216061 Mar 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
“Finding the occasional straw of truth awash in a great ocean of confusion and bamboozle requires intelligence, vigilance, dedication, and courage. But if we don't practice these tough habits of thought, we cannot hope to solve the truly serious problems that face us --- and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, up for grabs by the next charlatan who comes along.”- Carl Sagan
This is true on an individual level - the intellectually indolent become victims. But it's also tru at a group level. People that refuse to try - people that simply acquiesce to what sounds authoritative - when accumulated in sufficiently large numbers, put the rest of us at risk as well.
Agreed. As in slogans like "Yes We Can!"

Have you heard whether Obama has fulfilled his promise to lower the sea level?

Thursday, 27 February 2014 11:49
No Proof of Man-Made Climate Change, Says Greenpeace Co-founder

"There is no scientific proof of man-made climate change, a co-founder of Greenpeace told a committee of the U.S. Senate,..."
__________

Yep. I'm with you and Sagan on the risk of becoming a nation of suckers.
OG Kush

Jacksonville, FL

#216062 Mar 2, 2014
From the fantasy of organized superstition to politics? Zzzz

Ok, I agree with Uncle Milt

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara desert, in 5 years there would be a shortage of sand" - Milton Friedman

USA is an oligarchy.

Politicians dance to the tune of their owner/masters. What the public wishes is irrelevant.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#216063 Mar 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying the Tea Party is not conservative? Some of the Tea Party's big issues are guns, low taxes and small government.
You may not be a Tea Party-er, but you still share some positions with them.
What's wrong with being a Tea Partier?

You obviously think taxes are too low, government needs to be bigger, and the 2nd Amendment doesn't really exist.

Those views put you in the minority. The majority side with the tea party on those things.

What's wrong with that? Is the problem one of you just believing liberal lies and repeating them ? Does this mean you are a dumbass?

Bingo!

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#216064 Mar 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Don't worry, I've got a lot to square with to God.

I'm not looking forward to my judgement day.

I'm confident, but I know God's gonna have some tough questions for me.
You gonna have any for him?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216065 Mar 2, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you just say "given the new taxes and other incentives they will face and the financial benefits some will receive"?
Incentives and financial benefits are bad things?
When they come from wealth distribution, yes.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#216066 Mar 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you should have actually read your link. You won't like what it says if you do. It explains how Boehner is being dishonest with the statistics in the CBO report and misrepresenting what they mean.
He's not a Christian, is he?
I have numerous family members who have lost their jobs or been regulated to part time because of ObamaDoesn'tCare.

That's the rubber on the road facts. Something a 'rational humanist' oxymoron like you runs like a sissy from.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#216067 Mar 2, 2014
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Most people ignore the freak.
You mean hide in shame.

Smile.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216068 Mar 2, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:

When we attain majority status, we will endeavor to kill less, not more.
According to history, you're wrong. When atheism gets power, people die. People like me.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

“Some beliefs are so dangerous that it may be ethical to kill people for believing them”
Sam Harris, The End of Faith, pp.52-53.
I agree. It may be ethical to kill people, under certain circumstances, to protect yourself or others, for what those people are almost guaranteed to do, for the beliefs that they hold.
You agree?!?

Tell me, what belief is do dangerous it merits execution?

This is what happens when atheism gains power, the religious become guilty before proven innocent.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216069 Mar 2, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
I agree. It may be ethical to kill people, under certain circumstances, to protect yourself or others, for what those people are almost guaranteed to do, for the beliefs that they hold.
Catcher1 wrote:
The Redneck felt the need to slip in the word "mongrel."
The rest of the last paragraph was just window dressing.
"Mongrel" is the latest mantra for the racists, under the leadership of Ted Nugent.
You exemplify the type of wickedness in the courts that Jesus warns about.

You're supposed to uphold justice, not mandate it.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#216070 Mar 2, 2014
"This is what you said:
There it is folks ~ The 'rational humanist' who sounds like a bully bigot.
Ss couples are still a defect of mating behavior making ss marriage an oxymoron.
Anal sex is still inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.
Smirk.
Defect, defect defect. You said it ."

Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
Notice that quite a few of our theists are big on denial.
And that's not the river in Africa.
Lets see where the denial lies (pun intended)...

How are any of those statements specifically not facts?

SMirk.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#216071 Mar 2, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
I see what they did now.
The Senate utilized a bill that had already been passed by the House. They revised it to work for health care reform. Eventually the House did pass the Senate bill.
An Executive Order and the Reconciliation Process was used to get it all worked out.
This is very far from ideal.
One of the liberals that championed it didn't even know what was in it.

"We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it"

&sn s=em

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#216072 Mar 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
“Finding the occasional straw of truth awash in a great ocean of confusion and bamboozle requires intelligence, vigilance, dedication, and courage. But if we don't practice these tough habits of thought, we cannot hope to solve the truly serious problems that face us --- and we risk becoming a nation of suckers, up for grabs by the next charlatan who comes along.”- Carl Sagan
This is true on an individual level - the intellectually indolent become victims. But it's also tru at a group level. People that refuse to try - people that simply acquiesce to what sounds authoritative - when accumulated in sufficiently large numbers, put the rest of us at risk as well.
I like Carl's qualifications of intelligence and courage.

Did you notice those?

Smirk.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#216073 Mar 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
When they come from wealth distribution, yes.
Really?

So that whole christian charity thing is null, right?

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