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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#212730 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
No 'tacit admission' at all. I claimed science finally caught up with the Bible.
And just a note. Until recently,'science' resembled mythological creation events more than the Bible account ever has.
Here is another creation account, the very basis for science;
Proverbs 8:22-31 (GW)
22 “The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works.
23 I was appointed from everlasting from the first, before the earth began.
24 I was born before there were oceans, before there were springs filled with water.
25 I was born before the mountains were settled in their places and before the hills,
26 when he had not yet made land or fields or the first dust of the world.
27 “When he set up the heavens, I was there. When he traced the horizon on the surface of the ocean,
28 when he established the skies above, when he determined the currents in the ocean,
29 when he set a limit for the sea so the waters would not overstep his command, when he traced the foundations of the earth,
30 I was beside him as a master craftsman. I made him happy day after day, I rejoiced in front of him all the time,
31 found joy in his inhabited world, and delighted in the human race.
More biblical idiocy. Genesis 1:16 concerns God creating TWO great lights, one to rule the day the other to rule the night. The moon is NOT a source of light, only a reflector, and it certainly doesn't "rule" the night in it's early phases where a thin crescent is all that shows, giving off almost no light. Your bible can say NOTHING about science, when it does, it is completely wrong.

These passages were clearly written by limited human beings who didn't understand the real scientific nature of the sun and moon. They couldn't have been written or inspired by some divine being which created and therefore knew the nature of those celestial objects.

The second error lies in the fact that even though we normally see the moon at night, it hardly "rules over" the night. On the contrary, the moon is in the daytime sky about half the time — we just don't see it. The moon is only described as ruling over the nighttime sky because of our subjective impression of its importance, not because of any objective or scientific measure of its role.

Third, God is depicted as creating the stars as an afterthought as if they were a minor matter in comparison to the sun and moon. Science, however, teaches us that our sun is one of the stars, and thus that the stars are equivalent to our sun. Many are much larger and more significant than our sun. This story is clearly human because the events are structured according to what appears more or less important to us here no earth, not according to any objective measures.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#212731 Feb 16, 2014
River Tam wrote:
You'll get there. You have to.
Rock, Paper, Water.
It's unreasonable and unstoppable. It will wear you down. It's Tidal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =6KZt2PIoGhMXX
I've always liked movies about island adventures.

I think I'll watch a few on Youtube tonight.

If I were you, I'd write a script and shoot a short movie while in Aruba. I have an idea about that. You'd need a boat and another person to work the camera.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#212732 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
No 'tacit admission' at all. I claimed science finally caught up with the Bible.
And just a note. Until recently,'science' resembled mythological creation events more than the Bible account ever has.
Here is another creation account, the very basis for science;
Proverbs 8:22-31 (GW)
22 “The LORD already possessed me long ago, when his way began, before any of his works.
23 I was appointed from everlasting from the first, before the earth began.
24 I was born before there were oceans, before there were springs filled with water.
25 I was born before the mountains were settled in their places and before the hills,
26 when he had not yet made land or fields or the first dust of the world.
27 “When he set up the heavens, I was there. When he traced the horizon on the surface of the ocean,
28 when he established the skies above, when he determined the currents in the ocean,
29 when he set a limit for the sea so the waters would not overstep his command, when he traced the foundations of the earth,
30 I was beside him as a master craftsman. I made him happy day after day, I rejoiced in front of him all the time,
31 found joy in his inhabited world, and delighted in the human race.
One more to show your bible as completely wrong on all science accounts.

Genesis 1:30 "And EVERY beast o the earth and EVERY fowl of the air, and EVERY thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given EVERY green herb for meat.

The biblical text is pretty explicit about describing every animal on earth, not just some of them. This means that even creatures like tapeworms were supposed to be eating plants and we know that that just isn't possible. Scientifically, we know for a fact that not all animals either today or in the past consumed plants for nutrition. Scientifically, we know that the animal kingdom has always consisted of a mix of herbivores, carnivores, and omnivores.

Some Christians interpret this verse differently and argue that it doesn't mean that animals were exclusive herbivores. Instead, they interpret the verse as simply meaning that the animals were given access to all plant for food, much like humans were given access to every plant for food.

There are two problems with this argument. First, even if we accept it as valid, we are faced with the same problems we had with the verse that describes every plant as being provided to humans for consumption: some plants are poisonous and dangerous. There are animals which can consume a greater range of plants than humans, but there are still some that can't be consumed by any animal because it will kill them. Thus this is still a scientific error because it contradicts what we know about the natural world.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212733 Feb 16, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Middle age Sun? You sure about that?
Do you why the Sun has 98% of the mass but only 2% of angle momentum in our solar system? Do you know why the planets do NOT match the evolutionary model? Saturn, Jupiter, Mars,Earth...
Of course not, because you are an idiot!
What "evolutionary model" would that be? Planets are not alive, if you didn't know that.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212734 Feb 16, 2014
OG Kush wrote:
<quoted text>
“The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.”~Mark Twain
“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”~Mark Twain
"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows." ~Mark Twain
Jeopardy ?? and the author is...
"He who can, does; he who cannot, teaches"
And he who can not teach criticizes.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212735 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
No 'tacit admission' at all. I claimed science finally caught up with the Bible.
ROFLMAO

Oh, that is a real knee slapper!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#212736 Feb 16, 2014
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>There is NO science in your bible,
Then why did you avoid addressing the examples I used?

Moreover, your claim is clearly ignorant bigotry and a lie.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#212737 Feb 16, 2014
More comedy and idiocy brought to you by religion:

Pentecostal Pastor Jamie Coots has died from a bite by a poisonous snake he was handling. He belonged to a "cult" that believed God would protect him for the bite of a deadly snake. I guess God was asleep at the switch, or..........could it all just be so much religious bullshit, yeah, I think that has to be it. A kind and loving God, so full of compassion would never let such a thing happen, right?

I don't even find this sad, rather just another example of how religious belief poison everything. Here this person could have had a productive happy life, but because of insane religious beliefs he is now dead.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#212738 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Hence the food kitchen my church helps operate every day, modeled in virtually every community with Churches vs the violence Islam perpetrated around the world today.
Oh, don't forget atheistic North Korea that starved the bulk of it's population today.
Idiot.
Smile.
Lets balance your food kitchens against the spread of HIV in Africa and other undeveloped countries as religion forbids the use of condoms, thereby becoming an active cause of misery and death for millions. Lets couple that with Religion propagating the sexual abuse of children by pedophile priests. Aiding this pedophile behavior by secretly moving these predators from one place to the next, and making every attempt to squash complaints, usually by large sums of money.

BTW Atheists also run food kitchens and perform other charity work.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#212739 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why did you avoid addressing the examples I used?
Moreover, your claim is clearly ignorant bigotry and a lie.
The examples you use are based in superstitions and Myths, the examples I use are based in science. Science that is demonstrable and evidenced based. You have NO evidence for your examples only words written in ancient texts.

Your so called "science" entails YOU freely interpreting what is contained in your bible and then through this interpretation attempting to fit it into real science. Classic example "Let there be light" interpreted as the cosmological big bang. This is not only foolish, its obviously a desperate attempt to validate your superstitious beliefs.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212740 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why did you avoid addressing the examples I used?
Moreover, your claim is clearly ignorant bigotry and a lie.
The "examples" you listed are lame...utterly inane.

If you knew anything about real science, you would know this.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#212741 Feb 16, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have a real question?
Melody based on a minor 7th, get real troll.
It was just Valentines Day a few dat ago, I played My Funny Valentine at a concert, guess what the first chord was? C-, then C-M7, and then..........yep C-7. My Funny Valentine is based on C-, the MELODY is based on C-, so is:

1.) Autumn leaves

2.) The Theme to James Bond (w/line cliche)

3.) The Summer Knows

4.) The Shadow of Your Smile

5.) Beethovens 5th Symphony, 3rd movement I think

6.) Alone Together

7.) Duke Ellington's In A Sentimental Mood

8.) Gold Finger (main theme)

9.) Mahlers Adagio

10.) Samuel Barbers Adagio for Strings.

You're not only a liar, you're a complete dishonest assclown. How does it feel to have your ass kicked over and over? Expert in all things, ha ha ha expert in jackin off maybe, but nothing else. Loser!!!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#212742 Feb 16, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have a real question?
Melody based on a minor 7th, get real troll.
still waiting for my A7 scale, I gave you the first three notes, all you need is the next 5, come on there "expert" teach me a few things!!!! cat got yer tongue or are you completely out of your league?

How about that saxophone you lied about playing, which sax was it and how does it transpose in relation to concert pitch? Can you show me the fingering for a G Lydian scale? No..ok, I'll make it real simple, how about a C major scale, lets throw in a raised 5th.........ready......set.... GO..........What a loser!!!!
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#212743 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You claimed Christianity was as violent as Islam. I asked for a present day example that equated them. You still are running like a sissy from validating your claim.
You in essence repeated that claim in your idiotic list; "Both abuse non-believers, and call out for the death of non-believers."
So now I add an additional challenge; Equate in current behavior Islam's violence toward infidels, and Christianity's toward unbelievers.
Put up or shut up.
PS The very first chapter of the Bible equates male and female as being in the image of God. Hardly inferior or 'property'. The rest of your list is similarly ignorant bigotry.
SMile.
Even one death in the name of god is too fng much to any moral individual

until YOU xians promise to love and respect atheists youre scum deserving no mercy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and...
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#212744 Feb 16, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Middle age Sun? You sure about that?
Do you why the Sun has 98% of the mass but only 2% of angle momentum in our solar system? Do you know why the planets do NOT match the evolutionary model? Saturn, Jupiter, Mars,Earth...
Of course not, because you are an idiot!
Planets have Nothing to do with Evolution

seems like YOU are the Idiot yes!
ChristINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#212745 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
Lost opportunity? You failed to answer my challenge of how atheists equate to the service and generosity of Christians.
<quoted text>
Get serious.
In the very community you live in, there are countless Christian ministries that not only encourage wise living by their members, but they reach into the lives of those outside their faith and serve without recompense.
Is there ONE atheist organization in your community doing any such thing?
Having buildings to service those ministries and enable some to serve full time in that pursuit is a vice??? Pure ignorant, hateful bigotry.
BS ..churches give. Nothing to atheists...heck I pay more in taxes then all the churches combined here..
Btw I ask no one for anything...it's only lazy bums like your kristains expecting a handout..
If I had money up the wazoo like churches have Id certainly help other like many rich atheists do just
Google atheist charities and be amazed how much more they give to others as compared to your greedy priests

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#212746 Feb 16, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You claimed Christianity was as violent as Islam. I asked for a present day example that equated them. You still are running like a sissy from validating your claim.
You in essence repeated that claim in your idiotic list; "Both abuse non-believers, and call out for the death of non-believers."
So now I add an additional challenge; Equate in current behavior Islam's violence toward infidels, and Christianity's toward unbelievers.
Put up or shut up.
PS The very first chapter of the Bible equates male and female as being in the image of God. Hardly inferior or 'property'. The rest of your list is similarly ignorant bigotry.
SMile.
Here.

The stories and videos below are graphic.

"African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18/afri...

"Deadly hunt for 'witches' haunts Kenya villagers"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/06/12/ke...

"Witchcraft burning in kisii"
http://www.youtube.com/watch... #!

"Minister blames loss on witchcraft"
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"Horror of Kenya's 'witch' lynchings"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8119201.stm

"The Christians are Burning Witches (Again)"
http://jasonstotts.com/2009/10/the-christians...

[CNN] Kenya: "Witch Hunts" follow in wake of ethnic violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"The Religious in Africa burning suspected witches"


"Christian missionaries behind Soumya's murder"
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...

"More African Churches are dealing with the troubling problem of Christian pastors torturing and executing “witch children” in the name of their faith."
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/10/african-past...

If you look at some of those, you'll notice they throw rocks from time to time, too.
http://thetaleofbittertruth.wordpress.com/201...



Nothing like a good old fashioned biblically inspired burning and stoning~/.

Eh?

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#212747 Feb 16, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Here.
The stories and videos below are graphic.
"African Children Denounced As "Witches" By Christian Pastors"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/18/afri...
"Deadly hunt for 'witches' haunts Kenya villagers"
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/06/12/ke...
"Witchcraft burning in kisii"
http://www.youtube.com/watch... #!
"Minister blames loss on witchcraft"
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
"Horror of Kenya's 'witch' lynchings"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8119201.stm
"The Christians are Burning Witches (Again)"
http://jasonstotts.com/2009/10/the-christians...
[CNN] Kenya: "Witch Hunts" follow in wake of ethnic violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
"The Religious in Africa burning suspected witches"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =U5qYhmf-boEXX
"Christian missionaries behind Soumya's murder"
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx...
"More African Churches are dealing with the troubling problem of Christian pastors torturing and executing “witch children” in the name of their faith."
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/10/african-past...
If you look at some of those, you'll notice they throw rocks from time to time, too.
http://thetaleofbittertruth.wordpress.com/201...
Nothing like a good old fashioned biblically inspired burning and stoning~/.
Eh?
And remember, one of these Pentecostal African nutjobs performed an exorcism on Sarah Palin to make sure she wasn't a witch.

Peasants: We have found a witch!(A witch! a witch!)
Burn her burn her!
Peasant 1: We have found a witch, may we burn her?
(cheers)
Vladimir: How do you known she is a witch?
P2: She looks like one!
V: Bring her forward
(advance)
Woman: I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch!

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#212748 Feb 16, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>And remember, one of these Pentecostal African nutjobs performed an exorcism on Sarah Palin to make sure she wasn't a witch.

Peasants: We have found a witch!(A witch! a witch!)
Burn her burn her!
Peasant 1: We have found a witch, may we burn her?
(cheers)
Vladimir: How do you known she is a witch?
P2: She looks like one!
V: Bring her forward
(advance)
Woman: I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch!
A wooden duck comes to mind.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#212749 Feb 16, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
And remember, one of these Pentecostal African nutjobs performed an exorcism on Sarah Palin to make sure she wasn't a witch.
Peasants: We have found a witch!(A witch! a witch!)
Burn her burn her!
Peasant 1: We have found a witch, may we burn her?
(cheers)
Vladimir: How do you known she is a witch?
P2: She looks like one!
V: Bring her forward
(advance)
Woman: I'm not a witch! I'm not a witch!

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