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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210726 Feb 4, 2014
Oh, Jeez.

Just saw this quote by Pat Robertson excusing Biblical genocide...

"Assuming you have a culture that has 1,000 really bad people in it — they’re murderers, they’re thieves, they’re rapists, they’re having incest, you name it, they are doing everything horrible — now if they have children, what’s going to happen? Instead of having 1,000, you’ll have maybe 3,000 or 4,000; then — nothing has changed them — then they’ll pass it on to the next generation and the next thing you know you’ve got 10,000 or 20,000 of them and if it keeps on going, you’re going to have a million of them. So what’s the most merciful thing for a loving God to do? It’s to take the thousand and get rid of them. And that’s what He did."

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#210727 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Yes, I was clear, wasn't I. Too bad you are not.
I still deny that I have any absolute moral principles as the term is commonly used in ethical philosophy, which is roughly the same thing as a Kantian categorical imperative..
I have no interest in going any further with this discussion not knowing what you mean by "absolute morals." You saw how mtimber wasted the time of so many people by assuming a nonstandard , meaning of the term and refusing to clarify his usage for days, only to finally reveal that he and most of the thread had been talking about different things.
I'm being very clear, so are you.

"Homophobia is wrong. Atheophobia is wrong. Slavery is wrong. Rape is wrong. Terrorizing children with stories of hellfire is wrong. Premarital sex is not wrong. Birth control and condoms are not wrong."

Those are your moral absolutes.

By that, I mean that you think your ethical views are absolutely right or wrong.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210728 Feb 4, 2014
One comment on Robertson's quote...

If one can use religion to rationalize something as horrible as genocide, just think of all the other horrible things one can rationalize.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#210729 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:

No it doesn't. The Bible teaches ...
It aint necessarily so wrote:

... anything you want it to.
Intellectual dishonesty. You omitted the bulk of that sentence and made it seem something it's not.
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Not in any place of the Bible, NOT ONE PLACE, does it tell me or any other Christian that slavery or rape is a good thing or that it's the moral and just and Godly thing to do.
It aint necessarily so wrote:

Your god orders both. Was it being immoral when it did?


No, God doesn't order Christians to do either.

Had you paid attention to the first sentence instead of omitting it, you'd already know that.
RiversideRedneck wrote:

Nowhere does the Bible teach Christians intolerance.
It aint necessarily so wrote:

Do I need to repost all of the atheophobic scriptures for you again?


No. Keep your made-up words to yourself.
It aint necessarily so wrote:

I know about that love. Let me share part of a post to my local freethinkers group
==========
Thanks, Hank.
A couple of thoughts:
[1] The article you cited reports, "Political justice, said Rousseau, depends on an understanding that state power belongs to the people, exists to serve the common good. What is this vision? Where does it come from? It is motivated by a moral idealism rooted in Judeo-Christian tradition (social justice, concern for the poor, hostility to luxury, the equal worth of all human lives)"
If by moral idealism the author means the most benign statements of Jesus according to the gospels, then yes. Christianity gives lip service to those. But for me, an American living since the mid 1950's, the values I have seen actually embodied by the Christian church are nothing like those described above.
[edited for space]
There seems to be no more than lip service given to the Golden Rule, which more closely informs the rational ethics of humanism (reason applied to compassion) than Christianity.
"Love one another," sure, but what is love in Christianity? It involves such things as crucifixion (blood sacrifice and substitutional atonement), the infantile love of a wholly dependent man for a god based on his desperate hope to be spared torture, and the love of a narcissistic god for man that resembles a dysfunctional relationship ("Don't force me to hurt you!"), and which requires denial of the value of self, continual praise and worship, and passing tests of faith.
Sorry, but I don't see the gentle Jesus of the New Testament anywhere in there.
I get it. You & Hank don't like Christians.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#210730 Feb 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
<quoted text>
True. There are several places in the OT where God orders all the men killed and the women taken as sex slaves.
In the NT, it tells slaves to obey their masters.
Nowhere does the Bible condemn slavery except to say that your male children could not be sold and that Jews could not own Jews as slaves...but could own slaves from any other country.
And I don't recall any passages condemning rape, except to say things like the rapist must pay a fine to the woman's father or that the rapist must then marry his victim.
For a God that is supposed to be the ultimate fount of morality, he seems to fall quite short of the mark.
It doesn't say a Jew cannot enslave another Jew.
It say's a Jew must free another Jew , after seven years and if he was
married before he was enslaved . He must free his wife also, but if he was married while enslaved . He doesn't have to free his wife, but can offer him to remain enslaved to be with her. If the man agrees to that, he is to remain a slave for the rest of his life.

This has been criticized more than just being enslaved, because it uses the mans woman to gain leverage over him, and is considered cruel, at lest that's the protests I've heard.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210731 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You said you know of no other definition for "father" other than the kinds that involves sperm or rearing
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Wrong. Don't paraphrase me if you can't be accurate.
Not wrong.

You said;

"Can you find any definition in any dictionary that would allow us to properly call someone who neither provided the sperm nor help raise a child its father?"

http://m.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/TUG...

I subsequently gave you 14 alternative definitions.

You didn't like it and now try to pretend it didn't happen.

That's not very honest of you.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210732 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL. I have likened teaching Riverside Redneck to rolling a mossy boulder up an icy hill into a headwind during a mudslide. It would be easier to teach a chicken to peck at a toy piano for corn kernels. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =BbM4dWQ5dJsXX
Cute. I've likened debating with you to pushing a broken down car with a rope.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#210733 Feb 4, 2014
Happy Lesbo wrote:

.. do you think gays should tolerate religious insults?
Do you think religious people should tolerate gay insults?

I'd answer yes to both, assuming of course that the insults aren't going to go away.

Y'all tolerate us.

We tolerate y'all.

Bliss

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210734 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Rape is "naughty"?!?
The Topix Atheist! has spoken.
F_ck your morals.
ChristineM wrote:
Ahh right so you have no answer so choose instead to fall on that old favourite, verbal abuse.
So you think that as the babble teaches that rape is perfectly OK
Good for you, I am so glad there is an Atlantic Ocean and a whole continent between me and a perverted rapist godbot moron, mentioning no names. At least I have and abide by my morals
You call rape "naughty" and then dare to call me a rapist?!?????!!!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210735 Feb 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
I must have skipped over mtimber's clarification. How did HE define "absolute morals"?
"Moral standards that are absolutely binding"

You can see my comment to him here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210736 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
And that's before they add their personal spin, and perhaps a denominational spin as well. How else can the same book be used to support the Quakers and the Klan, or Catholics and snake handling fundamentalists. They all point to (different) parts of the bible and say, "See - the bible clearly teaches yadda"
I sit in comfort knowing that they're wrong and I'm right.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#210737 Feb 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Oh, Jeez.
Just saw this quote by Pat Robertson excusing Biblical genocide...
"Assuming you have a culture that has 1,000 really bad people in it — they’re murderers, they’re thieves, they’re rapists, they’re having incest, you name it, they are doing everything horrible — now if they have children, what’s going to happen? Instead of having 1,000, you’ll have maybe 3,000 or 4,000; then — nothing has changed them — then they’ll pass it on to the next generation and the next thing you know you’ve got 10,000 or 20,000 of them and if it keeps on going, you’re going to have a million of them. So what’s the most merciful thing for a loving God to do? It’s to take the thousand and get rid of them. And that’s what He did."
What would you do with the murderers, thieves and rapists?

Send them all to counseling?

LMAO!

That don't work.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#210738 Feb 4, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>Would we say that he was of the ChristoBlue persuasion?
Lol!

I got that.:)

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210739 Feb 4, 2014
The Texas State Board of Education revised its standard of picking textbooks...

"Among the changes approved Friday was a mandate that teachers or professors be given priority for serving on the textbook review panels for subjects in their areas of expertise. They also enable the board to appoint outside experts to check objections raised by review panels and ensure they are based on fact, not ideology."

One board member stated his concern that Christians are being persecuted...

"[Bradley] said he did his best to insert language mitigating what was approved. But he said “liberals are really trying to make it difficult for Christians and conservatives to have a voice in public education.”"

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#210740 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I sit in comfort knowing that they're wrong and I'm right.
Yes, that's your general attitude.

I pity anybody who has to be around you.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210741 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Not in any place of the Bible, NOT ONE PLACE, does it tell me or any other Christian that slavery or rape is a good thing or that it's the moral and just and Godly thing to do.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your god orders both
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
True. There are several places in the OT where God orders all the men killed and the women taken as sex slaves. In the NT, it tells slaves to obey their masters. Nowhere does the Bible condemn slavery except to say that your male children could not be sold and that Jews could not own Jews as slaves...but could own slaves from any other country. And I don't recall any passages condemning rape, except to say things like the rapist must pay a fine to the woman's father or that the rapist must then marry his victim. For a God that is supposed to be the ultimate fount of morality, he seems to fall quite short of the mark.
I can hear Riverside Redneck's objection now: That wasn't literal rape or slavery. Plus it protected people - they were better off as slaves. Plus the girls father was well paid in silver - followed by some arcane discussion involving a retranslation of Hebrew using the words "clear" and "simple," a pointing to Jesus saying love one another, and finally, calling us Christian haters that just want to make his religion look evil.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210742 Feb 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Many years ago, I was playing an RPG (role playing game) and my character was a man from Texas. His intelligence score was pretty low, so I picked his primary language as "'Murican".
Do you know the word "merkin"? It's a pubic toupee.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definiti...

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210743 Feb 4, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
What would you do with the murderers, thieves and rapists?
Send them all to counseling?
LMAO!
That don't work.
WTF???

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210744 Feb 4, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Oh, Jeez.
Just saw this quote by Pat Robertson excusing Biblical genocide...
"Assuming you have a culture that has 1,000 really bad people in it — they’re murderers, they’re thieves, they’re rapists, they’re having incest, you name it, they are doing everything horrible — now if they have children, what’s going to happen? Instead of having 1,000, you’ll have maybe 3,000 or 4,000; then — nothing has changed them — then they’ll pass it on to the next generation and the next thing you know you’ve got 10,000 or 20,000 of them and if it keeps on going, you’re going to have a million of them. So what’s the most merciful thing for a loving God to do? It’s to take the thousand and get rid of them. And that’s what He did."
Is he suggesting this method to rid the world of scourges? He should be careful. If non-Christians ever embrace his ethics, he might not like the target they choose.

Was there a huge outcry from the Christian community condemning him for such a repulsive sentiment, and pointing to Jesus' words for guidance, or is that kind if thing reserved only for those of us who call people like Duckman a homophobe?

After all, Jesus and the bible teach love, do they not?

“The Bible is no science book”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#210745 Feb 4, 2014
Chuck wrote:
<quoted text>
first time on this forum but thank you for noticing me.
what a tool
When the robots come on the thread, you cant tell them apart. You are all the same, spouting all these same questions, answering none, just repeat, repeat ad nauseam. We just white sheet you.

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