Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210227 Feb 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
Putting mtimber in the broad category of Christian is an insult to most Christians. He belongs to that odious subset of Christianity known as fundamentalism.
Fundamentalists have the most faith. A fundamentalist can believe the bible as written without cognitive dissonance, something Riverside Redneck wasn't willing to do. He allowed reason to contaminate his thinking. He found the literal interpretation of the words unreasonable, and reinterpreted them.

But a died-in-the-wool fundamentalist isn't troubled by such things. He has more faith, which is nothing more or less than the willingness to believe without reason and even despite reason, something that is praised as a virtue by his religious mentors.

Since: May 09

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#210228 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
On the very next page of that link you provided, I was again accused of racism.
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RiversideRedneck wrote:
Well, like I said I can't make it any clearer to you.
Maybe if I told you in Japan talk...
bing dong wang lim Ning wang wing bu bu
Lacez wrote:
And there you are being racist again.
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But the person I posted that to got the joke:
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Hidingfromyou wrote:
kimi ha unko. sore dake. unko.
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Ain't my fault y'all ain't got no funny bones.
I've got plenty of humor.

In your previous(but now modified) full jump into open racism, which I don't find amusing, has me in a predisposed mindset concerning your person, that thing you are, >you<.

It isn't my fault I have this perception of you. You set the tone with your words.

You should understand, I've been around racists, grown up around them, went to school with them and lived near them, etc... A good bit of my life. I've seen the most vile forms and the mild forms, but there is no real difference, ultimately, a little or a lot, it's still racism.

I am intimately aware of how they will cloak themselves in social situations, make vague comments, then say "it was just a joke!" and make various other remarks or exhibit attitudes that are "tells".

Racists think they're better than others based upon some ridiculous notion that they must be, else they're less than anyone else. Racism is often coupled with fervent nationalism, and adherence to a past way of life that they feel is better, when people who aren't like you, don't embrace the same notions etc., and is often based upon "race" or an influx of people, who, happen to be from a different country - that also happen to be of a different "race"... but you conveniently leave that part out - that's the cloak.

Racism really isn't about you celebrating who you are or being proud of who you are, it's about celebrating that you aren't others, who you see as inferior, which in some strange way makes you feel better about yourself.

For some odd reason, it often is proclaimed the loudest by some in Christianity.

Which says something about Christianity. It is a failed moral system. If it was a superior moral system found in the bible, it would produce superior moral systems, unilaterally. How is it, that the bible can produce such disparate views, using the exact same verses and words others claim to be so crystal clear, and the source of ultimate morality?

Just look across the United States at the racist groups it has produced.

Here's one, and it's just one of many:
"Kingdom Identity Ministries is a Politically Incorrect Christian Identity outreach ministry to God's chosen race (true Israel, the White, European peoples). We proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom (government according to God's Law) through books, tracts, tapes, videos, the American Institute of Theology Bible Correspondence Course, our international Herald of Truth Radio Broadcasts, a Prison Ministry, Biblical Counseling, Seminars, and other means. The Elect Remnant, Christian Patriots, Nationalists, Reconstructionists, Racialists, and all seeking a higher level of understanding will learn Biblical solutions to personal and national problems, and be given keys to unlock hidden truth."
http://www.kingidentity.com/

That is an example of "god inspired morality".

How can that be?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#210229 Feb 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Fundamentalists have the most faith. A fundamentalist can believe the bible as written without cognitive dissonance, something Riverside Redneck wasn't willing to do. He allowed reason to contaminate his thinking. He found the literal interpretation of the words unreasonable, and reinterpreted them.
What is it you think I've reinterpreted?

Since: Jan 11

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#210230 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
God created the universe, so.... Yes, I'd that that had an effect on the universe.
I can see you are not able to progress further than a Goddidit response.

Without explanatory power, you don't have an explanation, let alone a tenable claim.

One could claim that this universe was created as a result of a much nicer universe compressing all their garbage and pushing it out of their space time. That's more compelling than the creation myth the Bible puts forth.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210231 Feb 2, 2014
scaritual wrote:
It's the religious book of the Jews, they think it means a literal 7 days.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Some do. Not all.
How would that be possible with clear and simple words?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It's translated as either 24 hour periods of time or not 24
What could be more clear and simple?

Since: May 09

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#210232 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. To say that I've reformulated my beliefs is to imply that I once believed something different.
I have never believed that the Creation days in Genesis were 144 hours.
The information is there in Genesis to say they were not 6, 24 hour days.
My bad.

Maybe I should have said you are a product of reformulated beliefs.

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#210234 Feb 2, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, it would help if you presented an argument to provide a rebuttal, but when the sole purpose is to demean and attack others for their views a rebuttal is kinda pointless, huh?
I have yet to present a position, but have had plenty of you accuse me of all kinds of views I do not have.
I know, you really don't say much of anything.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#210235 Feb 2, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
So do a large number of Christians. Ken Ham, for one. There are many that claim the Bible as literal truth, and when Genesis says "day" it means 24 hours.
What could be more clear or simple?

"The bible teaches [insert any ending you like]"

Since: May 09

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#210236 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you employed intellectual dishonesty.
We've talked a lot about homosexuality is a sin.
We've also added, with this new emphasis, BUT SO IS ANY EXTRAMARITAL SEX.
They are all equal sins in the eyes of God.
So, if people were allowed to marry another person - regardless of gender - then they'd be okay in the "eyes of your god".

They wouldn't be having "extramarital sex", and so there'd be no "sin", if they were married.

Is that what you're saying?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#210237 Feb 2, 2014
Genesis 11:5-6 (NASB)
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
6 And the LORD said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.

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#210238 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm just going off of what Genesis says.
It says God said "Let there be light", and there was light (God *poofed* it).
It says God said "let dry ground appear", and there was dry ground (another *poof*).
It says "Let the earth produce vegetation" (no *poof*).
It says " ôLet the earth produce living creatures" (again, no *poof*).
From a naturalistic and evolutionary standpoint, you believe all life came from the earth in one way or another.
The Bible agrees with you on that. Notice that Genesis doesn't say "God said, let there be animals", no. It says " ôLet the earth produce living creatures..."
What about, "let there be light"?

"POOF!" or no "poof"?

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#210239 Feb 2, 2014
Tide with Beach wrote:
I can see you are not able to progress further than a Goddidit response.
Without explanatory power, you don't have an explanation, let alone a tenable claim.
One could claim that this universe was created as a result of a much nicer universe compressing all their garbage and pushing it out of their space time. That's more compelling than the creation myth the Bible puts forth.
Ok.

I understand your beliefs and won't knock you for them.

RiversideRedneck

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#210240 Feb 2, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
How would that be possible with clear and simple words?
They are clear and simple.

I find it odd that a smart fella like you is having such a hard time with it.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#210242 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It's translated as either 24 hour periods of time or not 24
It aint necessarily so wrote:
What could be more clear and simple?
That's not what I wrote.

You're intellectual dishonesty is on high alert today, man.

I wrote:

"It's translated as either 24 hour periods of time or not 24 hour periods of time."

Meaning, you can translate it only one of two ways, not many ways as you implied.

Since: Jan 11

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#210246 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Ok.
I understand your beliefs and won't knock you for them.
What beliefs?

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210247 Feb 2, 2014
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to present an argument from the point of view that Genesis is the only reference to creation. You are aware there are more books other than Genesis that reference creation, right?
No, I fully realize there are hundreds of creation stories. But...

You do realize that practically every theist on this thread is a Christian, and are of the opinion that of all the creation stories only Genesis is true. Don't you?

When in Rome...
ROCCO

Indio, CA

#210248 Feb 2, 2014
Anon wrote:
<quoted text>
"Don't bother me today, Eve. God said I have to name all these animals. Phew, this is gonna be a bitch. Well, I gotta start somewhere. Let's see, I'll call this one a moo cow, this one a horsey, yeah, I like that. There's a moo cow with horns, which I'm totally not getting. This one said oink, so naturally it's an oinker, although I'm really tempted to call it a piggy. Think I'll name this one a potato. This one I'll call a serpent - man, I'm getting a bad vibe off that thing. Geez, this is gonna take forever. Thank god there's 8,765,812.77 hours in a day, cuz I'll need every one of 'em. Hey Eve, did god create sammiches yet? If so, could you make me one? Cut the crust off, please."
Gotta tell you from this silent observer -

Hilarious, and novel!

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

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#210249 Feb 2, 2014
scaritual wrote:
My bad.
Maybe I should have said you are a product of reformulated beliefs.
Those beliefs have been around longer than you think.

Philo believed the days in Genesis weren't 24 hour periods. He died about 15 years after Jesus.

I has been believed for a very long time.

You know what else Philo knew?

People like you Topix Atheists! exist looong ago, too....

"For some men, admiring the world itself rather than the Creator of the world, have represented it as existing without any maker, and eternal; and as impiously as falsely have represented God as existing in a state of complete inactivity"

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#210250 Feb 2, 2014
RiversideRedneck wrote:

I'm just going off of what Genesis says.
It says God said "Let there be light", and there was light (God *poofed* it).
It says God said "let dry ground appear", and there was dry ground (another *poof*).
It says "Let the earth produce vegetation" (no *poof*).
It says " ôLet the earth produce living creatures" (again, no *poof*).
From a naturalistic and evolutionary standpoint, you believe all life came from the earth in one way or another.
The Bible agrees with you on that. Notice that Genesis doesn't say "God said, let there be animals", no. It says " ôLet the earth produce living creatures..."
scaritual wrote:
What about, "let there be light"?
"POOF!" or no "poof"?
"I can't read line two." -The Scar

“Turning coffee into theorems”

Since: Dec 06

Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#210251 Feb 2, 2014
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, those are the "old school" Christians. They still exist in large numbers.
My Grandfather was one. He held that every single portion of the bible was literal truth. If "god" said it or inspired it to be written, that was it, end of story.
He scoffed at those that allowed science and knowledge modify his "god words".
That's what he called - the new Christianity - the "mark of the beast".
I remember seeing Joseph Campbell on PBS. Extremely knowledgeable about religion in general. He stated that of course Christianity had changed over the centuries. Any religion that does not adapt to the times goes extinct.

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