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Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174886 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
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I have never seen more than one specialist for a problem. I have gone to another specialist when I was unhappy with the first person's care. If this is happening to you, you really need to become pro-active in your care. Especially never pay for the same tests unless the doctor can provide you with a good reason for why it needs to be re-done. I am a pain as I question all services. Cost v benefits.
Yes, there is certain health care costs that can be reduced overall. Such as reducing incidents of malpractice suits or capping, streamline office work for filing claims, etc
You get billed separately by laboratories, radiologists, scans, etc. on top of the specialty physicians' expertise. The hospital charges include ludicrous costs for everyday items and every specialty doctor who just stops by to see you.

There are too many people doing too much unnecessary paperwork, too many people involved with one patient's care, and too many people doing the same job and getting paid up the wazoo at your and my expense.

“Stop Child Soliders”

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#1174887 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
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You're missing the point and the bigger picture. Costs for health care in the U.S. are off the charts no matter which country you'd prefer instead. An analysis done by Cato back in 1994 still shows the same problems exist today.
The excessive costs of our current medical system can be classified into three major categories:
~ The first, and by far the largest excess cost, is due to the current overuse of medical resources by patients.
~ The second category of excess cost consists of administrative and paperwork costs that are unnecessary for the provision of health care but that have come into existence because of the current patchwork of third-party payers and their attempts to control their increasing costs by closely monitoring the behavior of doctors and patients.
~ The third excess cost is associated with the fear of malpractice suits. Administering medically unnecessary tests and procedures helps to insulate doctors and hospitals from the potential wrath of patients or their families when inevitable accidents occur in medical treatment or when treatments just do not work.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa211.html
So excessive overuse of medical resources, excessive paperwork and regulations and excessive malpractice suits creating excessive unnecessary testing are still the main problems responsible for the higher costs of medical care in this country.
I was going to mention number one when I noticed you had this on your list. The one complaint I am hearing from doctors are patients seeking medical care when there is no reason. Lonely, old ladies are frequently the abusers followed by young women in their twenties. ERs cannot refuse care and doctors hate to tell patients with concerns not to bother them as that would be the time they do need care. It would be nice if the solution was as easy as identifying the problem.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#1174888 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
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I'd be very happy to pay for one qualified doctor in one office with only the necessary tests being ordered.
Doctors specialize for a reason now - so that no ONE physician can be blamed if something goes wrong. And all of them run as many tests as possible in case something does.
But you get billed for each of their "expertise" and tests on top of paying for their malpractice insurance even if something doesn't go wrong with you.
doctors specialize because medicine is much more complex than in the past and great depth of knowledge in specific areas is required....

your concept that the reason is to avoid blame is paranoid......
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174889 Jul 27, 2014
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
yep
lol! Been a while since I've seen you. Hope you're enjoying retirement!
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#1174890 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
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It's not the cardiologist's expertise that's the problem or what he should earn having that expertise.
Hospitals charge far too much for everything, administrative costs for the mountain of paperwork that's done nowadays and every physician that wants a piece of the insurance pie will see you or just charge you if they even give advise on your chart without even seeing you.
The medical profession has become an insurance scam. What they can't milk out of the insurance companies, they'll squeeze every dime out of you next.
you said their salaries were "over-bloated"....

so how much do you think they should earn????......
Mr Z

East Hartford, CT

#1174891 Jul 27, 2014
Critics of Halbig Decision Miss the Mark

Tapes came to light showing that Jonathan Gruber “acknowledged by everyone, as an architect of the ACA,” had publicly promoted the plaintiffs’ understanding of the law in early 2012.

The revelations must be quite embarrassing for the critics who were so confident in their position that they felt the need to shout it in the loudest and most bombastic way possible.

Perhaps if the media has been in less of a rush to inappropriately condemn this holding they would not look so foolish today.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174892 Jul 27, 2014
Sounds like reich wingers want socialist medicine!

“you know i know”

Since: Oct 07

denver

#1174893 Jul 27, 2014
RealDave wrote:
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Whiners like dumbass Roxlo think that, unless you allow capitalism to be unregulated & run our government, you are against capitalism.
Lying, douchebag hypocrite and talking chimp revealed to be just another money grubbing 1% er, wise up dumber than shit dave:

Dailyslave.com | Obama Eyes Four Million Dollar Mansion ...
www.dailyslave.com/obama-eyes-four-million-do... -...
5 days ago - Obama Eyes Four Million Dollar Mansion in Gated California Community ... Obama who apparently is in the process of buying a $4 million ... The White House said rumors regarding a home in Rancho Mirage are not true.

After Obama Blasts Top 1 Percent He Plans To Buy One Of ...
yournation.org/after-obama-blasts-top-1-perce... ...
... the rich for buying multi-million dollar homes, it appears that Obama might be ... recently purchased a home valued at $12 million dollars for about $4 million.

Economic violence? Obama to likely purchase 4.5 million ...
www.brennerbrief.com/economic-violence-obama-... -...
Obama to likely purchase 4.5 million dollar house. July 23, 2014 By Renee ... President Obama's new house Photo Credit: Clark Dugger. Is this what is meant by ...
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#1174894 Jul 27, 2014
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
yep
sorry, this isn't the dyke thread....except for Patricia....

“you know i know”

Since: Oct 07

denver

#1174895 Jul 27, 2014
Americans really wish they elected Mitt Romney instead of Obama
Americans are so down on President Obama at the moment that, if they could do the 2012 election all over again, they'd overwhelmingly back the former Massachusetts governor's bid. Two years ago, Obama won re-election with about 51 percent of the vote.
The Week (RSS)

Flibs are such gullible saps

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174896 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
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Where I live the hospitals are small and they frequently contract with foreign doctors to keep them staffed.
If most people only knew how many physicians had foreign names from Middle Eastern countries and India in many of the bigger hospitals, it'd blow their minds.

And they all have accents to go along with their names.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#1174897 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
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Where I live the hospitals are small and they frequently contract with foreign doctors to keep them staffed.
that happens...but sometimes you may need to travel in the event of a serious illness.....

by the way, Galt has no problem with foreign-born doctors trained at high-quality US medical schools.....
Mr Z

East Hartford, CT

#1174898 Jul 27, 2014
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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Please take your cheap emotions elsewhere.
There are sincere people here discussing sincerely.
Maybe someone should have told ¨Yeah¨ how far even an ounce of credibility would've gone.

¨Yeah¨ spewing wisdom concerning insults is laughable.

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174899 Jul 27, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
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Did you go to the report and read how the sample was obtained and the disclaimer?
In the foreign countries they selected ONE plan while the US it was a combination of 100 million actual claims.
The disclaimer
"Comparisons across different countries are complicated by differences in sectors, fee schedules, and systems. In addition, for some countries a single plan’s prices are real for that plan but may not be representative of prices paid by other plans in that market."
I do agree there are ways to reduce health costs. But, the question becomes do you want lower care for a lower cost?
Health care costs in this country are too high. That's the long and the short of it.

Dice it anyway you want, but physicians, hospitals and clinics are too willing to go after the insurance jackpot and overcharge their patients to boot.

Sorry, but that's just a plain and simple fact.

“you know i know”

Since: Oct 07

denver

#1174900 Jul 27, 2014
flibs are soooooooooooo stupid:

Do the Math: Obamacare Won't Change the Number of Uninsured
The Huffington Post from RSS

The numbers for the Affordable Care Act (ACA), despite its good intentions, do not add up. I'm talking about the number of Americans who will actually have health insurance now that the ACA, also known as Obamacare, is in effect, as compared to the number who won't be covered due to cancellations.

We were led to believe that the Affordable Care Act will take care of 47 million uninsured Americans when it comes to their healthcare. According to the 2010 projections by the Centers for Medicine and Medicaid Services (CMS), 14 million Americans will enroll in 2014 in the new Health Insurance Exchanges. That would still leave 33 million Americans uninsured by the end of this year.

Yet even that modest forecast has already been reduced by half, with the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projecting that just 7 million Americans will enroll this year. So that will leave some 40 million Americans uninsured. These figures are well short of the goal of delivering affordable health care to all.

Compounding the problem is that millions of Americans are already receiving cancellation notices for their current policies, a number that can reach an estimated 7 to 12 million because those policies do not meet the ACA's mandated standards. That will leave the net gain of zero at best, based on the government's latest projections of 7 million enrollees or net negative of 5 million more uninsured if the cancellation hits 12 million as reported by NBC.

Do the math and you're back to about 47 million uninsured, the same number as before Obamacare became law.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174901 Jul 27, 2014
Mr Z wrote:
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Maybe someone should have told ¨Yeah¨ how far even an ounce of credibility would've gone.
¨Yeah¨ spewing wisdom concerning insults is laughable.
lol! Keep changing your name son.

That'll show everyone your 'honesty' and 'credibility'!!!!
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#1174902 Jul 27, 2014
Incognito4Ever wrote:
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Health care costs in this country are too high. That's the long and the short of it.
Dice it anyway you want, but physicians, hospitals and clinics are too willing to go after the insurance jackpot and overcharge their patients to boot.
Sorry, but that's just a plain and simple fact.
You hate capitalism don't you?

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174903 Jul 27, 2014
John Galt wrote:
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Galt agrees that some people overuse the medical care system, resulting in a very small fraction of the population incurring a very large percentage of medical costs......
on the other hand, when one is seriously ill. it's not the time to try to control costs....
You have no idea how many different doctors one patient will be referred to if their problem stumps the ones they saw before.

I used to transcribe physicians who did this time and time again for 15 years.

And if one expensive treatment or test doesn't work or provide a clue, they'll try another and another and if those don't work, they'll admit "etiology unknown" and the patient still has the same problem.

Then they treat the symptom. Transcribed that more times than I can count too.

It was amazing to me how many doctors could never figure out the "etiology" of so many patients problems after running so many tests and referring them to so many different doctors.

Night. Can't believe how late it's gotten.
joey

United States

#1174904 Jul 27, 2014
The rich are close to fulfillment.

Since: Mar 14

Orlando, FL

#1174905 Jul 28, 2014
RoxLo wrote:
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I was going to mention number one when I noticed you had this on your list. The one complaint I am hearing from doctors are patients seeking medical care when there is no reason. Lonely, old ladies are frequently the abusers followed by young women in their twenties. ERs cannot refuse care and doctors hate to tell patients with concerns not to bother them as that would be the time they do need care. It would be nice if the solution was as easy as identifying the problem.
Simply "rewiring" people's minds to delay seeking medical attention instead of seeking it too soon through public service announcements and outspoken public figures could very well curb this problem. Encouraging visiting a walk-in clinic for easily treatable problems is another solution.

But no one is talking about the problem.

(And I'm staying up much too late to talk about it myself.)

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