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“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#325309 Jun 5, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I don't omit, I contradict. I'm not arguing for law, I'm arguing for morality.
You definitely contradict...yourself, and more often than you admit. You can't argue for morality because there is no objective standard of what's moral and what's immoral in any one given subject, especially abortion. You call it arguing for morality when all you're doing is whining like a $2.00 sharmuta (Arabic for whore).
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not outraged over discouraging mothers to murder their own children; government's job is to protect and help weak very young human beings.
Your knowledge of your native language, again, shines by the lack thereof. You don't discourage to; you discourage from. Dumbass!

If it's the government's job "to protect and help very young human beings[,]" then shut the f*ck up about abortion already. The government has determined that only AFTER the point of viability, does it (regardless of whether state or federal) have a duty "to protect and help very young human beings." Moreover, the government has also determined that, even after the point of viability is reached, when either the health, or life, or the potential for the unborn to have a fruitful and meaningful life, is threatened, the woman retains the choice of whether to abort the pregnancy. Don't like it? Tough shit. Abortion is not immoral, but only in your eyes and in the eyes of EVERYONE, who does not have an iota of say so over the decisions of anyone but yourselves, or as you have so eloquently admitted, don't care to do more than whine, because "it's the government's job.".
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Isn't that exactly what you're doing in the quote above? Aren't you arguing I am "HIGHLY IMMORAL for one to argue that the actions of someone are immoral"? How can anyone agree with something they find immoral? I don't follow your moral philosophy, can you elaborate?
I'm not suggesting you're immoral. I'm rebutting your contention that you're not seeking a change in the law. However, that point flew over your "cuckoo's nest" at a distance equal to that of the ISS over the earth's surface..
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Abortion remains illegal in much of the world, it is the murder of a very young and innocent human being. Murder exists before and outside law.
Who cares where in the world is abortion illegal? I don't. I'm not a citizen of the world; I'm a citizen of the United States of America. If you care so much about where is abortion illegal, then invoke your constitutional right to rescind your U.S. Citizenship and get the f*ck outta my country.

BTW, give one example of how murder exists before and outside the law. Go on..
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I trust others to make their own judgments based on the arguments. I don't find C.D.'s morality of value, since it argues for the morality of anything that makes you feel good.
I don't argue for the morality of anything that makes you feel good pinhead. I argue for maintaining morality a subjective part of life and to leaving the individual to determine his/her own definition of morality. I could careless whether anyone defines morality by what makes them feel good, or by what they hate.
Brian_G wrote:
Emotions are find for personal life but are often inappropriate in law, morality and social policy. I support adoption and oppose abortion because I believe every human life has infinite value. What do you believe about the value of human life and what do you think is more valuable than human life?
The United States' Constitution. I was, and I am still, willing to lay my own life down to protect it. If my own life is less valuable to me than the Constitution, imagine how valuable yours, or anyone else's, is to me.

BTW, if emotions are inappropriate in law, next time you pulled over for speeding and the cop wants to give you a break, tell him/her not to.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#325310 Jun 5, 2014
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
You can defend her right to act in a manner that may be detrimental to the health of her newborn but that doesn't mean you have to cease caring if she does.
In order for one to cease anything, one must have engaged in doing what is being ceased. I have not, nor will I, care whether a woman pollutes her body to the point she gives birth to a drunk with emphysema, unless it directly affects me, or my family. In fact, I don't care whether you will follow in Rock Hudson's steps and die of too many rear end collisions. I care you retain the right to live your life, and make decisions you care to make, as you see fit. It's your life and you, and only you, are accountable for your life.
Common Sense wrote:
The fact that you don't care speaks volumes about you. Someone acting in a manner that could likely result in giving birth to a "drunk with emphysema" is tantamount to child abuse. Yet as long as she retains that right, you couldn't care less.
You're sickening.
Do you need a barf bag? I can arrange for you to have a lifetime supply delivered to your favorite street corner in the Bronx at no expense to you.

How much biological research, or studies have you conducted? If your answer is none then answer this; to what extent have you verified the credentials of those who have conducted biological research, or studies related to the cause of birth defects?

Are you going to say that a woman who, against doctor's orders, intentionally fails to take pre-natal vitamis is also acting in a manner that is tantamount to "child abuse[?]"

You and your ilk are notorious for pointing out the bad in others, while forgetting, all along that anytime you point the finger against someone, you have three pointing right back at you.

Deal with your own f*ck ups before you judge those of anyone else. If you can't, or won't do that, then that "speaks volumes [more] about you" than my caring for a woman retaining the right of bodily autonomy, to any extent allowed by law, says about me.

I'll remind you of one unequivocal and indisputable truth; you have no control over the actions of anyone else, but your own. So stop arguing for lost cause. It makes you a bully and an ignorant fool.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#325311 Jun 5, 2014
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
So anti-gay slurs and a rendition of the chorus of the Beatles' She Loves You is the best you can do ?
Post the link to any "anti-gay slur" I've posted. BTW, the only time I could deal somewhat with any of the Beatles' songs, was when the Stars on 45 released this in the early 80's:

Common Sense wrote:
And what is with the eunuch stuff ? Already forgotten what gender I am ?
You're an enigma. Who cares about the gender of an enigma? But, if you're a woman in real life, then you're definitely a eunuch. ;-)
STO

Vallejo, CA

#325312 Jun 5, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I don't omit, I contradict. I'm not arguing for law, I'm arguing for morality.
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<quoted text>I'm not outraged over discouraging mothers to murder their own children; government's job is to protect and help weak very young human beings.
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<quoted text>Isn't that exactly what you're doing in the quote above? Aren't you arguing I am "HIGHLY IMMORAL for one to argue that the actions of someone are immoral"? How can anyone agree with something they find immoral? I don't follow your moral philosophy, can you elaborate?
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<quoted text>Abortion remains illegal in much of the world, it is the murder of a very young and innocent human being. Murder exists before and outside law.
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<quoted text>I trust others to make their own judgments based on the arguments. I don't find C.D.'s morality of value, since it argues for the morality of anything that makes you feel good.
Emotions are find for personal life but are often inappropriate in law, morality and social policy. I support adoption and oppose abortion because I believe every human life has infinite value. What do you believe about the value of human life and what do you think is more valuable than human life?
You believe abortion is immoral, until you don't. Meaning, practically every PLer can name at least one set of circumstances in which he/she would make an exception. I wonder what yours is.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#325313 Jun 5, 2014
SevenTee wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not a "woman's decision" it is a baby who has a right to life.
How far does this "right to life" go? Frozen embryos have a "right" to remain frozen indefinitely or do they have a "right" to be gestated? An ectopic pregnancy has the "right" to run it's course until it causes the death of the woman gestating it?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#325314 Jun 5, 2014
Conservative Democrat wrote:
...BTW, give one example of how murder exists before and outside the law. Go on....
Cain murdering Abel. Murder outside the jurisdiction of the US, murder on the high seas and murder of the unborn.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#325315 Jun 5, 2014
STO wrote:
You believe abortion is immoral, until you don't. Meaning, practically every PLer can name at least one set of circumstances in which he/she would make an exception. I wonder what yours is.
You don't believe in circumstances and believe murder is the same as self defense is the same as execution? What kind of moral law has no exceptions, can you name one? Do you see the world only in black and white, without any shades between?

A deserter and hostage isn't the same as a heroic warrior and POW, no matter how much the White House wants you to believe otherwise. Bergdahl was kidnapped, not captured, he went looking for the Taliban. McCain was fighting the Vietnamese when he was captured. Nixon bombed Hanoi into rubble to get the legitimate government of North Vietnam to the table and trade for our POW's. Obama announces a withdrawal date, discloses troop strength then frees war criminals, pays ransom and hugs a deserters parents who pray to Allah in a Rose Garden ceremony.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#325316 Jun 5, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't believe in circumstances and believe murder is the same as self defense is the same as execution? What kind of moral law has no exceptions, can you name one? Do you see the world only in black and white, without any shades between?
So, under what circumstances do you make exception for abortion being a "moral" choice?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#325317 Jun 5, 2014
Yep, worship the fetus and to hell with the born. Classic PLM.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't believe in circumstances and believe murder is the same as self defense is the same as execution? What kind of moral law has no exceptions, can you name one? Do you see the world only in black and white, without any shades between?
A deserter and hostage isn't the same as a heroic warrior and POW, no matter how much the White House wants you to believe otherwise. Bergdahl was kidnapped, not captured, he went looking for the Taliban. McCain was fighting the Vietnamese when he was captured. Nixon bombed Hanoi into rubble to get the legitimate government of North Vietnam to the table and trade for our POW's. Obama announces a withdrawal date, discloses troop strength then frees war criminals, pays ransom and hugs a deserters parents who pray to Allah in a Rose Garden ceremony.

“Crybaby men are such a bore”

Since: Mar 14

The wild wild north

#325318 Jun 6, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You don't believe in circumstances and believe murder is the same as self defense is the same as execution? What kind of moral law has no exceptions, can you name one? Do you see the world only in black and white, without any shades between?
A deserter and hostage isn't the same as a heroic warrior and POW, no matter how much the White House wants you to believe otherwise. Bergdahl was kidnapped, not captured, he went looking for the Taliban. McCain was fighting the Vietnamese when he was captured. Nixon bombed Hanoi into rubble to get the legitimate government of North Vietnam to the table and trade for our POW's. Obama announces a withdrawal date, discloses troop strength then frees war criminals, pays ransom and hugs a deserters parents who pray to Allah in a Rose Garden ceremony.
Self defense? Thank you Bri Bri now I think you are catching on. ANY pregnancy can cause harm to the woman/girl. It is an invasion of the woman/girls body and she has the right by law to assess her best interests and well being regardless of your "feelings".

Funny you should bring up McCain as it appears he was originally for the release of Bergdahl.

I am not certain of all the circumstances with Bergdahl, but it appears that the right wingers are crucifying him before knowing all the details. It will be fun to watch them back peddle if further information is released and they have condemned a honorable serviceman in their hatred of Obama.
Cordwainer Trout

Sonora, KY

#325319 Jun 6, 2014
Obama would give Morgana's clitoris to the Taliban cutters, as he's basically given Afghanistan back to the freaks putting women in bags. Yet, she continues to support him. Insane travels to insane.

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#325320 Jun 6, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Obama would give Morgana's clitoris to the Taliban cutters, as he's basically given Afghanistan back to the freaks putting women in bags. Yet, she continues to support him. Insane travels to insane.
Is your obsession with young, female pee-pees a kentucky hill people thing, guppy? Turn off the child porn.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#325321 Jun 6, 2014
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
You can defend her right to act in a manner that may be detrimental to the health of her newborn but that doesn't mean you have to cease caring if she does. The fact that you don't care speaks volumes about you. Someone acting in a manner that could likely result in giving birth to a "drunk with emphysema" is tantamount to child abuse. Yet as long as she retains that right, you couldn't care less.
You're sickening.
If you truly believe "Someone acting in a manner that could likely result in giving birth to a "drunk with emphysema" is tantamount to child abuse," do you believe that women should be criminally prosecuted for both miscarriage and abortion?

Or that every pregnant woman should be monitored / locked up for nine months, in the interest of protecting her fetus?

Sure sounds like it........

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#325322 Jun 6, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Cain murdering Abel. Murder outside the jurisdiction of the US, murder on the high seas and murder of the unborn.
Murder is defined as "the killing of a human being by a sane person, with intent, malice aforethought (prior intention to kill the particular victim or anyone who gets in the way) and with no legal excuse or authority [emphasis added]."

http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx...

Webster defines murder as "the crime of deliberately killing a person."

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mur...

Because murder involves the commission of a crime, which, under all circumstances involves a law forbidding the intentional and/or premeditated killing of a person (notice the term, which does not apply to the unborn), then it's axiomatic that Cain didn't murder Abel. He killed him.

You could argue there was intent for Cain to "murder" Abel, just as I can argue there wasn't, because neither of us were there. But, the fact is that the 6th commandment wasn't given until many thousands of years after that and there was no law forbidding intentional killing at that time. G-d killed the first borns of Egypt. G-d destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone. All before the 6th Commandment was given. Thus, not murder.

"Murder" on the high seas is governed by 18 U.S.C. 7(8). In addition, the Death On the High Seas Act (DOHSA); 46 U.S.C.30301 through 30308, governs civil restitution for wrongful deaths on the high seas.

There is no such thing as "murder" of the unborn, but for the expressed words of any state's Fetal Homicide Laws (FHLs), all of which have an exception from prosecution of a doctor performing a legal abortion.

You lose, again, and again, and again, and again. And you will lose, again and again and again, and again, to infinity, on this issue.

Go suck a mean hard one p*ssy..

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#325323 Jun 6, 2014
Morgana9Rules wrote:
<quoted text>
Self defense? Thank you Bri Bri now I think you are catching on. ANY pregnancy can cause harm to the woman/girl. It is an invasion of the woman/girls body and she has the right by law to assess her best interests and well being regardless of your "feelings".
Funny you should bring up McCain as it appears he was originally for the release of Bergdahl.
I am not certain of all the circumstances with Bergdahl, but it appears that the right wingers are crucifying him before knowing all the details. It will be fun to watch them back peddle if further information is released and they have condemned a honorable serviceman in their hatred of Obama.
It's the right wingers' M.O. to turn the proverbial "blind eye" to the protections of the Constitution. Whether those protections are related to the freedom of religion, or the lack thereof, a woman's right to determine whether the contents of her uterus will remain, or, and more on point to the Bergdahl matter, the presumption of innocence.

To them, we don't have to be proven guilty; we must prove our innocence. As always they're "bassackwards."

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#325324 Jun 6, 2014
Morgana9Rules wrote:
...Funny you should bring up McCain as it appears he was originally for the release of Bergdahl. I am not certain of all the circumstances with Bergdahl, but it appears that the right wingers are crucifying him before knowing all the details. It will be fun to watch them back peddle if further information is released and they have condemned a honorable serviceman in their hatred of Obama.
We know he walked away from his post and soldiers died trying to find him, he wasn't captured or left behind. He was AWOL when he walked away and if the intent was not to return or he was gone more than 90 days, he's a deserter. McCain doesn't make foreign policy, he lost the election to Obama. Obama is sole responsible for the ransom and five war criminals we put back into the Ummah, to kill again.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#325325 Jun 6, 2014
Conservative Democrat wrote:
...Because murder involves the commission of a crime, which,..., then it's axiomatic that Cain didn't murder Abel. He killed him...You lose, again, and again, and again, and again. And you will lose, again and again and again, and again, to infinity, on this issue. Go suck a mean hard one p*ssy..
Murder existed before written law, that's one reason we have written law. I disagree with your biblical study. Murder is always wrong and abortion is the murder of a very young, innocent human being. Look at the sonograms, they're so cute.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#325326 Jun 6, 2014
STO wrote:
So, under what circumstances do you make exception for abortion being a "moral" choice?
Every women is a hero when she chooses life and decides not to murder her innocent unborn baby, your mother and mine exceptionally.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#325327 Jun 6, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Every women is a hero when she chooses life and decides not to murder her innocent unborn baby, your mother and mine exceptionally.
Basically, you believe there are circumstances in which abortion is a moral choice. You're just unwilling to reveal what those circumstances are. Can't really take your position seriously when you won't outline the entirety of what that position is.

“That rug tied the room”

Since: Aug 09

together--did it not...?

#325328 Jun 6, 2014
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
If you really intend to then just private message her your address already and spare everyone else these transparently phony, ostentatious exchanges.
"Ouch!"

Someone sounds just a tad jealous...

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