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katie

Seattle, WA

#316792 Nov 27, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
I think she was pointing out the inconsistancies in your position. Maybe things that you don't even recognize as ambivalent.
you aren't alone, I get the pagan 'love' directed toward me. It's good for a laugh.
There is nothing inconsistent in my position.

The PLM's position that it's a baby in the womb is what's inconsistent. Just because you all claim it's a baby in the womb doesn't make it reality. Just because you can't see the embryonic organism for what it is or the fetal organism for what it is, doesn't mean I am inconsistent or heartless or eeevvviiillll.
No Relativism

Belleville, IL

#316793 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
He never drew breath or was aware of himself or his surroundings. He was a 23wk male fetus. Mine. Not yours. Was your daughter's male fetus open for discussion on this forum because you've talked about your loss? Is he personified into some shiny memory for you to tout here as some supreme example?
Katie V.: "Is he personified into some shiny memory for you to tout here as some supreme example?"

Don't blame Ink. YOU are the one who named your son Aaron.
No Relativism

Belleville, IL

#316794 Nov 27, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? Trying to stir trouble? LOL, go piss up a rope.
bHitler worships and respects Brother Sun, Sister Tree, Cousin Cricket, and Nephew Weed.

Then you spend your days promoting the execution of baby humans in the womb.

You are a pathetic mess.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#316795 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing inconsistent in my position.
The PLM's position that it's a baby in the womb is what's inconsistent. Just because you all claim it's a baby in the womb doesn't make it reality. Just because you can't see the embryonic organism for what it is or the fetal organism for what it is, doesn't mean I am inconsistent or heartless or eeevvviiillll.
You named the organism. Who names organisms. We name children.
No Relativism

Belleville, IL

#316796 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing inconsistent in my position.
The PLM's position that it's a baby in the womb is what's inconsistent. Just because you all claim it's a baby in the womb doesn't make it reality. Just because you can't see the embryonic organism for what it is or the fetal organism for what it is, doesn't mean I am inconsistent or heartless or eeevvviiillll.
Katie V.: "There is nothing inconsistent in my position."

One day you say you are okay with others referring to those in the womb as "baby."

The next day you speak out against such references...taking it as far as belittling those use them.

You are a confused mess.
katie

Seattle, WA

#316797 Nov 27, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text> You would've aborted Aaron (the fetus) if he didn't die first. What conclusion did we jump to that didn't confirm this?
Do yourself a favor Katie,don't show the humanity of Aaron your son if you are trying to dehumanize the fetus in the womb in order to justify abortion. It only comes back to bite YOU.
What a careless slip-up on your part.
Like I said, you stupidly jumped to conclusions.
It's pretty much all you know to do.

I didn't discuss "the humanity of Aaron" at all. What is wrong with you that you continue to jump to conclusions like this? You have it stuck in your head that in order to support women's civil rights to determine their own outcomes that must mean supporting the act of abortion. That in order to support the act of abortion, one must dehumanize the embryo/fetus. That in order to dehumanize the embryo/fetus, one must not have emotions or standards. If one has no emotions or standards, one must be evil. Then, once the label of eeevvvvvviiillll is achieved, YOU can do exactly what you've accused PCers of doing -- dehumanizing pregnant women who may choose induced abortion rather than gestate their pregnancies. Or in your emotional words, let their babies develop in the womb.

It all makes a sick sort of sense. You've been spoon fed a simple formula that continues to build upon itself until you've achieved the level of actually doing what you accuse others of doing. And the whole time, what you're being spoon fed is BS dressed up to look nice and important when it's nothing but thieving.

It's the same with the PLM. They've convinced you human life has a value rather than being priceless. Once they've done that, they can attach a value to human life. After the value is attached to human life, then the civil rights will go away. This can be voluntarily or coerced. You have voluntarily given up your civil rights in order to help the PLM steal or coerce others civil rights out from under them.

As someone used to regularly post here -- it's "discusting"! Not only were you never able to see through it, you still willingly believe the BS you're spoon fed. You're greedy for the feeding!
No Relativism

Belleville, IL

#316798 Nov 27, 2013
R C Honey wrote:
<quoted text>No NR, it wasn't the 'speaking the raw painful truth about abortion' that got to me.
I don't want to bring up what really did it, but that wasn't it. You can be as blatant as you want regarding what goes on, but bringing up other 'things' outside of the issue, and how it was brought up,(heartless), was what made me type that.
and yes NR, I already know I'm the biggest hypocrite in regards to staying on topic, and being 'heartless', but there is still ONE thing I stay away from
Go ahead, describe what you think is going on, and how you think people should live their lives, and how you think they should feel, if that's your prerogative, but honestly, the one thing I learned here in the years I've been posting, is that no one's mind has changed. I don't believe that you alone have stopped an abortion from happening here if a chick wants it from what you 'say'.
All you try and do is make people feel bad for what they believe (which is different from you), you insult, call people names, etc etc etc, you're not so different from me in that department, the only difference is that you're going through the "abortion route", and have a tendency to stay on topic?. I use everything but!
Besides, if I don't like someone here, it rarely has to do with their stance on the issue of abortion. You've made me on more than one occasion spill my Coka Cola all over my key board, I've a couple of times wanted to pat you on your back and say good job, but NR, I've felt that way about most people here on one or more occasions.
I know, I know, what a weird place to get my kicks in! I'm as disappointed in myself as you are!
This definitely isn't the place to bring up my Daddy issues, I've refrained from that. You should thank me for it too. My endless rants of poor me, and why, would drive anyone to taking a hammer to their teeth and gnawing off their left arm with the broken nubs. They could ignore me, but whom are we kidding. I'm about as easy to ignore as a tornado.
You people are welcome, and cross your fingers that you're not the one I'm concentrating on
Carry on, I'll be under my bridge
Katie belittles and denigrates prolifers for "personifying the useless clump of cells" in the womb. Yet, she named her son "Aaron" when he was in her womb.

Katie then shared how her 16 y/o daughter's death negatively affected her life. She transitioned that topic directly into how her daughter's death validates her support for mothers killing their baby girls by abortion. Wha?

Please question Kati's obvious (and bizarre) inconsistencies, rather than attacking those who call her out.

TIA.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#316799 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, you stupidly jumped to conclusions.
It's pretty much all you know to do.
I didn't discuss "the humanity of Aaron" at all. What is wrong with you that you continue to jump to conclusions like this? You have it stuck in your head that in order to support women's civil rights to determine their own outcomes that must mean supporting the act of abortion. That in order to support the act of abortion, one must dehumanize the embryo/fetus. That in order to dehumanize the embryo/fetus, one must not have emotions or standards. If one has no emotions or standards, one must be evil. Then, once the label of eeevvvvvviiillll is achieved, YOU can do exactly what you've accused PCers of doing -- dehumanizing pregnant women who may choose induced abortion rather than gestate their pregnancies. Or in your emotional words, let their babies develop in the womb.
It all makes a sick sort of sense. You've been spoon fed a simple formula that continues to build upon itself until you've achieved the level of actually doing what you accuse others of doing. And the whole time, what you're being spoon fed is BS dressed up to look nice and important when it's nothing but thieving.
It's the same with the PLM. They've convinced you human life has a value rather than being priceless. Once they've done that, they can attach a value to human life. After the value is attached to human life, then the civil rights will go away. This can be voluntarily or coerced. You have voluntarily given up your civil rights in order to help the PLM steal or coerce others civil rights out from under them.
As someone used to regularly post here -- it's "discusting"! Not only were you never able to see through it, you still willingly believe the BS you're spoon fed. You're greedy for the feeding!
What?
katie

Seattle, WA

#316800 Nov 27, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Katie V.: "There is nothing inconsistent in my position."
One day you say you are okay with others referring to those in the womb as "baby."
The next day you speak out against such references...taking it as far as belittling those use them.
You are a confused mess.
Just because you're trying to convince me that I'm a confused mess doesn't make it so. You've conveniently left off the other line you love to quote -- the one where I said I had no problem with Chicky referring to a "useless wad of cells". Remember that one? Of course you do, you trot it out as often as possible. And yesterday you even erroneously gave me credit for saying it. You and I both know I didn't say it, though. Don't we.

If I have no problem with others referring to the embryo/fetus as baby or a useless wad of cells, what does that tell you? Before you get it wrong, because you usually do, I'll tell you what it means.

I don't try to control others' expressions. If you all want to call the embryo/fetus a baby, do it. I don't care. It's a fetus.

If you want to have an adult debate following the usual rules of debate, then let's use the same terms. That's where you all, yes all of you PLMers, get confused. And then the fight is ON! Right? It becomes a one-up game because you refuse to use proper terminology.

But it's a lot more fun to point fingers and say I'm the one who's the mess, right, NR?

Of course I am.
No Relativism

Belleville, IL

#316801 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, you stupidly jumped to conclusions.
It's pretty much all you know to do.
I didn't discuss "the humanity of Aaron" at all. What is wrong with you that you continue to jump to conclusions like this? You have it stuck in your head that in order to support women's civil rights to determine their own outcomes that must mean supporting the act of abortion. That in order to support the act of abortion, one must dehumanize the embryo/fetus. That in order to dehumanize the embryo/fetus, one must not have emotions or standards. If one has no emotions or standards, one must be evil. Then, once the label of eeevvvvvviiillll is achieved, YOU can do exactly what you've accused PCers of doing -- dehumanizing pregnant women who may choose induced abortion rather than gestate their pregnancies. Or in your emotional words, let their babies develop in the womb.
It all makes a sick sort of sense. You've been spoon fed a simple formula that continues to build upon itself until you've achieved the level of actually doing what you accuse others of doing. And the whole time, what you're being spoon fed is BS dressed up to look nice and important when it's nothing but thieving.
It's the same with the PLM. They've convinced you human life has a value rather than being priceless. Once they've done that, they can attach a value to human life. After the value is attached to human life, then the civil rights will go away. This can be voluntarily or coerced. You have voluntarily given up your civil rights in order to help the PLM steal or coerce others civil rights out from under them.
As someone used to regularly post here -- it's "discusting"! Not only were you never able to see through it, you still willingly believe the BS you're spoon fed. You're greedy for the feeding!
You are concerned that if society values human life, such a sentiment could strip mothers of their right to kill their babies in utero.

You are demented.

The accusation against you that you try to "devalue" & "dehumanize" innocents in the womb is confirmed by your own words. You even shared WHY you do so: to protect a mother's right to kill babies like Aaron.
katie

Seattle, WA

#316802 Nov 27, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
You named the organism. Who names organisms. We name children.
So? It was my fetus. NR names other people's embryos/fetuses. That's totally creepy.

I named dead puppies and dead kittens, too. They were born, mothers severed the umbilical cord, but didn't clear the airway. They never breathed. Technically still in the fetal stage, but I called 'em puppies and kittens just like we call stillbirths babies.

Your point?
katie

Seattle, WA

#316803 Nov 27, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
What?
You'll probably have to read it again and think for yourself. That's key.
No Relativism

Belleville, IL

#316804 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because you're trying to convince me that I'm a confused mess doesn't make it so. You've conveniently left off the other line you love to quote -- the one where I said I had no problem with Chicky referring to a "useless wad of cells". Remember that one? Of course you do, you trot it out as often as possible. And yesterday you even erroneously gave me credit for saying it. You and I both know I didn't say it, though. Don't we.
If I have no problem with others referring to the embryo/fetus as baby or a useless wad of cells, what does that tell you? Before you get it wrong, because you usually do, I'll tell you what it means.
I don't try to control others' expressions. If you all want to call the embryo/fetus a baby, do it. I don't care. It's a fetus.
If you want to have an adult debate following the usual rules of debate, then let's use the same terms. That's where you all, yes all of you PLMers, get confused. And then the fight is ON! Right? It becomes a one-up game because you refuse to use proper terminology.
But it's a lot more fun to point fingers and say I'm the one who's the mess, right, NR?
Of course I am.
Your son Aaron wasn't a useless was of cells, was he?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#316805 Nov 27, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
bHitler: "Go piss up a rope"
Because pissing on a tree angers Brother Tree.
Wiccan 101.
Ah, more lies from the lying scum. And no one is surprised.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#316806 Nov 27, 2013
You too!

And try to keep Madame sober....:)
RoSesz wrote:
EVERY ONE .
HAVE A,HAPPY AND,BLESSED THANKSGIVING..
enjoy food and family :)
PEACE
No Relativism

Belleville, IL

#316807 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
So? It was my fetus. NR names other people's embryos/fetuses. That's totally creepy.
I named dead puppies and dead kittens, too. They were born, mothers severed the umbilical cord, but didn't clear the airway. They never breathed. Technically still in the fetal stage, but I called 'em puppies and kittens just like we call stillbirths babies.
Your point?
Proabort Katie takes over Sentimental Katie and likens Aaron to a dog or kitten.

Sybil much?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#316808 Nov 27, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
bHitler worships and respects Brother Sun, Sister Tree, Cousin Cricket, and Nephew Weed.
Then you spend your days promoting the execution of baby humans in the womb.
You are a pathetic mess.
And more lies from No Relevance.

There is not one ounce of truth in you. Not one.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#316809 Nov 27, 2013
katie wrote:
<quoted text>
So? It was my fetus. NR names other people's embryos/fetuses. That's totally creepy.
I named dead puppies and dead kittens, too. They were born, mothers severed the umbilical cord, but didn't clear the airway. They never breathed. Technically still in the fetal stage, but I called 'em puppies and kittens just like we call stillbirths babies.
Your point?
Do you think that is normal behavior?
sassyjm

Lake Grove, NY

#316810 Nov 27, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Not always. Not in this case. In this case, it's a philosophical issue, and thus a matter of opinion. Since we already know that Katie's opinion is that a fetus is not a human being, your statement that she "kills" human beings in the "womb" is nothing more than another of your lies.
You're a liar, plain and simple.
Katie reconized her fetus as her son and daughter. She named at least one that we know of and he died in utero. Are you trying to say that her children are not human beings? What then? Alligators?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#316811 Nov 27, 2013
Self-righteousness, like bullying, shores up massive inferiorities. As long as they can make villains of others, their own failures don't look that bad.
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>That, and the abortion porn thing, have always creeped me out...who is that interested in when, how, and why other people have sex???
And then to stick their noses into our decisions about the results or lack thereof, is just twisted. Why do they care what medical decisions we make, whether to use contraceptives, or gestate every pregnancy we conceive, or elect not to?
What in the name of all that's holy is in it for them?? It's not like their ramblings here are 'saving lives' or anything...
I don't get it.

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