Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 312664 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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sassyjm

Cresskill, NJ

#314912 Nov 6, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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So? Whether or not YOU see marriage and motherhood "like that" is irrelevant to me. If both marriage and motherhood are AGAINST a woman's will, meaning she was forced or heavily pressured by her family or religious community to both marry and have children when she really didn't WANT to do either, then both marriage AND motherhood is a prison sentence for that particular woman.
Under the so-called "traditional marriage" setup, the husband is basically the wife's BOSS, although I know conservative religionists are very careful to avoid that term. I see absolutely NOTHING good about that kind of marital arrangement, because to me, it WOULD be a prison sentence. So I make sure I avoid it. Any guy who wants to be a woman's BOSS in a marriage is definitely a guy to RUN from.
What person that you know of,is FORCED to marry or have children? Ironically,it is your side that makes the claim that nobody is FORCED to do anything(when of COURSE speaking of abortion when they regret it later on in life after being pressured or forced).

I know many unmarried people. I also know many childless couples.

""""" """Under the so-called "traditional marriage" setup, the husband is basically the wife's BOSS"""" """

LMAO!!! that's cute.

Oh Ocean,your posts speak volumes about your life. You are angry at someone or a few even. WHOEVER has twisted your mind and controlled you,is at fault. Stop blaming "traditional marriage,the bible,God,prolifers" or anyone else you can. Something went wrong somewhere in your life. I really do feel sorry for you. I think that you were not respected as a person or woman and I am truly sorry for that.

I have no problem with you or anyone else not wanting marriage or children. I DO have a problem with your solutions to having them at present which is killing. We,as a civilized society,don't kill those of whom we don't want in our lives after the fact. Divorce the man whom you don't want to be in your life. Give your child up for adoption is you don't want them in your life. Killing as choice is where you go wrong.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#314913 Nov 6, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text>In all seriousness Elise,what is your problem? ALL that I asked you was why you have no problem with UNICEF using Halloween for their agenda like you did with what a woman did over in your neck of the woods(which you clearly posted for your agenda).
Seriously, you don't know the difference between a UNICEF donation and distributing abortion literature? Ugh, you're hopeless. Go away from me, lady.
Ink

Havertown, PA

#314914 Nov 6, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text> Any guy who wants to be a woman's BOSS in a marriage is definitely a guy to RUN from.
Maybe you are looking in all the wrong places. A man who has a special relationship with God and loves and trusts him will treat you like the child of God that you are. He won't be interested in being boss. He will be a lover and a friend who believes that all are created equal, male and female.
sassyjm

Cresskill, NJ

#314915 Nov 6, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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I DO enjoy my freedom from the toxic baggage of gods, religions and churches, which as far as I'M concerned, DO treat women as second-class citizens. That especially applies to the Catholic Church, although it certainly isn't restricted to Catholicism.
Because I am church-FREE, I have the freedom to make all my own sexual and reproductive decisions with NO interference from nosy male church clerics telling me I'm committing some kind of "sin" for making a decision the church disapproves of. I can decide for MYSELF to use reliable birth control to AVOID unwanted pregnancy. I can -- and did -- decide for MYSELF when and IF I wanted to get married. I can and did decide for MYSELF when and IF to become a mother. I decided for MYSELF how many children I wanted to have, as it was MY life, which is not for any church to rule over.
Oh, and YOU don't have the right to impose YOUR backward beliefs on me or anyone else. So your little "to hell with everyone else and their rights" whine doesn't work with me. Religions and churches don't have that right either, at least not in the United States, where a person is free to REJECT them with no civil or criminal penalties for doing so. It's wonderful how much freedom a woman has when she ISN'T mentally chained by a regressive and oppressive religious institution.
Listen,you either believe in your creator God,and his holy word in the bible,or you don't. You have free will given to you by God to either accept him or not. He gave his angels that choice as well. Lucifer and his followers reject him too.

I wish though,that you would stop misintrepting the word of God though. You personally might have felt prisoner of God or his church,but that's just your experience. It is a flat out lie to claim that those who do accept God,are mere "second-class citizens" who are denied free will choice.

20 plus years ago,you claimed to kick this "toxic" church,yet,you are clearly full of anger and hate. Let go then if you have rid yourself of it.

You can't. You're anger is misplaced,that's why. Your blaming God for those who have wronged you in your life. That's sad. Typical of those who reject God. It's like your punishing God for your hurts. I understand your pain. Truly. You're not alone.
sassyjm

Cresskill, NJ

#314916 Nov 6, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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You've had "conversations" with me about this, really. lol Funny, but I recall those so-called "conversations" as being nothing more than tedious rants from you on one subject or another. But if you want to call them something else, knock yourself out. Even you are free to have your delusions.
I have to wonder why it bothers you so much what my particular views of marriage and motherhood may be when MY personal views don't affect YOUR life directly. If I consider the whole "traditional marriage/motherhood" thing to be enslavement and something I choose carefully to avoid, how does that affect YOUR ability to do whatever you choose? Why would it matter to you what Leonine, myself, or anyone else called it?
I consider the whole "traditional marriage" package, where the woman is treated like an unpaid servant, to be utterly degrading to women, and that's why I avoid it. I would never date, let alone marry, some religionist male imbecile who thinks he has the "right" to be a woman's BOSS, aka "head of the family." And yes, if I were dating, I would make it a point to ask a guy directly whether he's one of those "traditional marriage" guys. The second he said yes, I would DUMP him a minute later.
Got a problem with my saying all of this? Too bad, sASSy. Since it is MY life, I alone make the rules for it. If you choose to be offended by it, that's YOUR problem.
Honey,you can get married,have children or not. I don't care.It doesn't affect my in any way. But,...if you ARE married or you HAVE children,and are unhappy about it,it is your ways of coping with it that bothers me and affects me. You think that killing is a choice solution to rid yourself of your current state. IF your child(ren)exist or IF you are presently married,and decide that you don't want to mother your children or be a wife any longer,then LEAVE. DO NOT KILL!

Get it?

""""" ""I consider the whole "traditional marriage" package, where the woman is treated like an unpaid servant, to be utterly degrading to women, and that's why I avoid it"""" """"

LMAO!

Oh dear!

Motherhood is the most important job that any woman could ever experience. Our job has a pricetag,believe me.

In a marriage,a man and woman-out of love,make their child. The mom may be the one staying home to raise them(obviously by the looks of it,God intended that baby to stay close to its mom-hence,the reason she carries the baby and has breasts to feed that baby. Yes,he desires that baby to be close to mom). The father indeed plays his own important role in that childs life though too.

Do you feel inferior by mothering your child? WHY? Why can't women today embrace their womanhood,feminity and role in their childs life? Why are they degraded who they are,what their bodies where meant for? You girls are your own worst enemies.

My husband loves me and the fact that I mothered our children. He never looked down on me nor did I ever think that he did. Why do you ASSUME that the world or the bible does?
sassyjm

Cresskill, NJ

#314917 Nov 6, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>What if it takes an abortion?
Killing is your solution to lifes problems? Why not give your child up for adoption?

Would you use that logic when you decide that you don't want to be a wife any longer? Would you kill your husband or would you leave him?
sassyjm

Cresskill, NJ

#314918 Nov 6, 2013
John wrote:
Bunch of weirdos minus me and sassy in this forum..Almost 300,000 posts and the same ole crap discussed.
Thank you.

I hear ya. Abortion is legal,yet these women are fighting for the right to do it. Interesting,right? Seems like they are attempting to justify their stance. Their consciences are fighting them.

Us prolifers,well....we are defending the unborn who can't defend themselves.

Can you imagine going to bed everynight,...tired...yawning. ..putting your head on your pillow and thinking "what a good day I had today. I fought for the right to kill my child as choice".

Nighty nite!
Ink

Havertown, PA

#314919 Nov 6, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Honey, I don't respect you or your twin, sassy. You and she are dishonest, obtuse, hypocritical and phoney. I've said many times that I don't take you seriously. You're lucky I even acknowledge you, at all. I certainly will not honor you with the kind of deep, personal conversation that I enjoy with a friend. It's pitiable that you yearn for this connection from someone who dislikes you. Please, go get a friend.
I left you alone and didn't respond to your post. I respect your privacy. I hope you don't mind if I have thoughtful discussions with others about any subject that interests us.
sassyjm

Cresskill, NJ

#314920 Nov 6, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Honey, I don't respect you or your twin, sassy. You and she are dishonest, obtuse, hypocritical and phoney. I've said many times that I don't take you seriously. You're lucky I even acknowledge you, at all. I certainly will not honor you with the kind of deep, personal conversation that I enjoy with a friend. It's pitiable that you yearn for this connection from someone who dislikes you. Please, go get a friend.
Leesyboo,we love you honey. We know that you love us too because you've come back to us EVERY day for years.

*smoochies*
sassyjm

Cresskill, NJ

#314921 Nov 6, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously, you don't know the difference between a UNICEF donation and distributing abortion literature? Ugh, you're hopeless. Go away from me, lady.
Go away from you? What? Does this I am not on your Christmas list this year?

You cheap bastard,you'll use ANY excuse to not buy me a gift.

Pfft!

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#314922 Nov 6, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
I left you alone and didn't respond to your post. I respect your privacy. I hope you don't mind if I have thoughtful discussions with others about any subject that interests us.
You're full of crap, as always. However, I grant you permission to try to have a thoughtful discussion. Go forth and froth:)

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#314923 Nov 6, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text>Go away from you? What? Does this I am not on your Christmas list this year?
You cheap bastard,you'll use ANY excuse to not buy me a gift.
Pfft!
Don't beg, it's pathetic. Give me your address, I'll send you a gift. Gotta go. Have a night.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#314924 Nov 6, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>The point was that you couldn't have been an atheist before you were saved, because you felt angry at God. You obviously believed in God. Atheist don't feel any emotion toward any god. Gods don't exist, therefore they don't experience the conflict you underwent. I'm glad you found a belief system that helped you to a path of happiness, though. I mean that.
Exactly

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#314925 Nov 6, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Well lady, if it helps I will tell you, that I don't "know" if the flood took place. I don't "know" if any Bible thing happened, since I wasn't there.
I believe by faith that it did.
There were many accounts of a Flood, but again who knows??
I didn't know nor care about anything of God.
I now do,and "believe" He saved me, just like the Bible says.
Better?
I believe if someone truly wants to know about God, they can seek Him, and other then that all I can do is tell my beliefs.
Faith is indeed the operative word.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#314926 Nov 6, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>They both cultivate similar adoration, post mortem.
Yeah.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#314927 Nov 6, 2013
Ink wrote:
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No that you actually write what 'the text says' in the context that it is said. Most of the time when non believers quote the Bible it is either inaccurate, out of context or not considerate of the times and culture.
Most of the time? No, I disagree. They may have a different perspective from your most learned and scholarly POV but it is no less accurate than the interpretations of believers.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#314928 Nov 6, 2013
Ink wrote:
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No those are the progressive feminists leading the call for independence from men and families. They have a mission. It is very important to them.
No less important than what is important to you. My mother has a cousin who many years ago was in a short, very abusive, marriage. She had her marriage annulled before I was even born. After that she chose to never marry again and had no kids yet she has lived a very happy, full and productive life. Being a wife and mother is a choice like anything else and nobody is required to follow that path.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#314929 Nov 6, 2013
Ink wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible had a point at the time in Hebrew history. There would be no Jews today if it wasn't for the strict marriage roles. They served a purpose. If you aren't Jewish then they don't pertain to you. So why worry?
So the bible has no point now?

Fabulous!! Best to file it away in the ancient history mythological/misogynistic section and leave it in the past where it belongs. I am all for it! Matter of fact that is where we taught are daughter it belonged, she agreed!

Problem is the damn pesky mythological believers wish to club you over the head with it.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#314930 Nov 6, 2013
Ink wrote:
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What purpoe does eating turkey on Thanksgiving serve? It is tradition and men taking their hats off in church and women covering their heads is tradition and culture.
Aside from that he says that women and men are not independent from each other. He says that man comes from God and woman from man and yet man comes from woman by birth. Read more than just the parts that irritate you.
I know what the book says and you can try to sweeten it all you like. But the bottom line is...as you said
"He says that man comes from God and woman from man", nothing degrading about that right Ink? Think about it Ink, she is lower on the totem pole. A child could figure that out.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#314931 Nov 6, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text>Morgie,I am no slave. I am in a wonderful marriage,where we are one. Equal.

""""" ""In fact you are intimidated by women who step out of a role issued to them by male hierarchy religions.""" """""
So,let me get this straight....motherhood is a role issued by male hierarchy religion? Taking care of your child was issued by this male hierarchy religion?
huh?
Assy, if you are not a slave to your husband if he is not your master then you are not living by scripture:

Ephesians 5:22-24

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

Titus 2:9

Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,

1 Peter 3:1-7

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands,...

Genesis 3:16

To the woman he said,“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

1 Peter 3:7

Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

Titus 2:5

To be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 11:3

But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Timothy 2:13-14

For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.

Colossians 3:18

Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 14:34

The women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says.

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