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Forum

Carlsbad, NM

#314742 Nov 4, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Jesus as a person and Jesus as a Messiah is 2 different things.
Jesus is God.

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#314744 Nov 5, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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I don't recall referring to paul as an atheist.
Since he wasn't.
What he was, was very very religious, and thought he was doing the work of God.
Those men who flew the planes into the buildings, on 911 were very very religious as well, thinking they were doing the work of God.
When paul met God on that road, and yeilded to Him, then he went from being a very religious "Godless " man, to a Godly man, that had very little tolerance for religion.
Wow, the point I was making, which was to Ink, completely went right over your head. You didn't get any part of it. You're redundantly thick-headed.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#314745 Nov 5, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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True.
Sad, but true.
Just like many things in life, when people are involved, you get many different opinions.
Some things don't really matter, when it's all said and done. Some are non negotiable.
If we were building a house, and many disagree about wall colors, then it really doesn't matter.
If folks disagree about the foundation, then that's where the one who's going to live in that house needs to make sure it's right.
On a personal level the difference of opinions is not that much of an issue but on a much larger scale it becomes a problem...a big problem. Especially when each group, thinking they are the ones who have it right, try to impose their version of God on everyone else. As you know, bloody wars have been fought over who is right about God.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#314746 Nov 5, 2013
Forum wrote:
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Jesus is God.
In your opinion.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#314748 Nov 5, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Jesus as a person and Jesus as a Messiah is 2 different things.
True. The contention was that he is only a myth. Most experts say he was a real person.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#314749 Nov 5, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Paul said that women should NOT preach to men.
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Is that the one thing in the bible that you believe? Paul, famously had women preachers speak about Christ with him. They traveled with him and taught with him. Thecla is one who comes to mind but there were many.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#314750 Nov 5, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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Still, millions of people believe in God and the bible just as much as you do and you all have different interpretations of what the bible means and what they think of God.
They do and it is the source of discussion all the time even among scholars. The thing is they all believe in God and the Christians all believe in Christ as his messenger. It doesn't matter how they get there. What happens on this thread is a discussion between believers and non believers with non believers using the small differences of believers as a reason to throw away the word of God.

DOn't believe that is your choice but don't diminish our beliefs because of small differences.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#314751 Nov 5, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
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"For me..."
It's always what you think, what you believe, how you interpret Jesus'/God's intent...
Of course there are many personal and subjective interpretations of the bible messages, just as there are many different versions of Christianity.
I'm sure you know that Christianity doesn't just come down to what Ink thinks about it all.
I would be more than happy for you to tell me how the words of Christ affect you in your life and what messages you are inspired by. Basically your understanding of what he was trying to tell us.
I'm sure you have heard enough of me.
Ocean56

AOL

#314752 Nov 5, 2013
Leonine wrote:
Not a chance. Whether the master is kind or not, a slave is still a slave. A true marriage is based on partnership, mutual consent and mutual compromise, not submission. You Christians have a terrible, terrible notion of how marriage is supposed to work, and I see it time and time again in Christian households.
It's not a partnership when both parties work full time but only the woman does any of the housework, thereby coming home to more, constant work while her lazy husband and kids sit on their asses and do nothing to help. It's not a partnership when the woman of the house is treated worse than the family dog and can't sit down for five minutes to herself without her selfish husband and kids demanding her attention. It's not a partnership when the woman is trying to do something for herself like EAT and one of the kids needs something, but the man just sits there watching football, fully expecting her to take care of it because he's the man and she's the woman. This type of typical Christian mistreatment of wives and mothers is based on some outdated notion that it's "women's work" to do laundry, wash dishes and take care of the kids. These are the "Kodak moment" fathers that may as well just be sperm donors, for all the effort they put into raising their own kids. Aside from throwing their weight around to boss the kids and wife into submission every night, they contribute nothing to the upbringing.
Head of the household? No. Bully of the household, yes. And these women put up with this servitude, this belittling mistreatment, because of one line in that filthy bible you people feel the need to drag into every conversation or argument you have. These women are not happy; they are miserable...but they're too scared to get out of their situation because they have their religion telling them it's their duty.
Keep your chains far, far away from me. You can have them all. I will have a partner that treats me as an equal and an ally in all things, not one that thinks I should "submit" to him. I'm a person, not a piece of property, and only a fiend would attempt to convince anyone they're better off in servitude and would really like it with the right guy. People into BDSM use safe words and keep their roleplaying separate from their public lives; Christians do not.
"Come, be a slave...you'll love it!"
No. Your sales pitch stinks.
So very true, and you're so right, the Christian sales pitch stinks. Although I will say one thing; which is, the attitude that housework and child care are "women's work" isn't limited to JUST Christian guys. There are guys from other religions and even NO religion who believe that nonsense.

For me, ANY guy who seriously believes housework and child care is strictly "women's work" is a guy women need to run AWAY from.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#314753 Nov 5, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
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Would you be happy if the Bible declared the women as the head?
You see, there must be some kinda order, within a world of so much disorder.
Women can do as they please, but if they wish to be married to a man and have any hope of that working out,and being a very good marriage, they can't be the head.
Why you feel, that since God put man over woman, that it makes the woman garbage, is beyond me.
By the way who sinned first adam or eve?
When did Sin enter the world?
God holds the man accountable, since with headship, there is responsibility.
Not sure why these verses concern you so much anyway, since we now live in a time, where no one knows their place in the family unit.
We're still left, with either all was created, or it just happened.
If you choose we were created, then perhaps you should want to see what the Creator wants.
Whether you like or agree, with how that Creator chooses to do things.
Are you suggesting that the bible can be reinterpreted to produce such an outcome? That would be a difficult task since the bible was written by men as the foundation of male hierarchy and maltreatment of women as his pet/slave/whore.

I have witnessed and read enough history to understand the so called "order" proposed by the bible.

Yes, thankfully women CAN do as they please within or without marriage as she is an individual and not a pet/slave/whore thanks to women stepping up and taken their rightful place as the producers of the human race.

I am married and have been for over 30 years. We have a partnership and we are both the heads of the house. One does not rule over the other.

I never said women were garbage, I was referring to the bible as being such.

Who sinned first in mythical story? The ridiculous HE-MAN Childish male god who decided to play a game with a tree and an apple.

Why the verses concern me so much? Think about it genius, they have been the force behind the maltreatment of women for ages. I would have thought you could have figured that out. Obviously you are a man and this doesn't concern you.
VoteVets Org

AOL

#314754 Nov 5, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
First of all, that was back in the 70`s, when the church still knew its place. Secondly, I didn't pay a dime; I had a full-ride scholarship. Lastly, the college wasn`t political and said nothing about what its students should do about their pregnancy.
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What.....it wasn't the same institution back in the 70's ? It had a different position on abortion and women's reproductive rights ?
There were no instances of priest abuse and church cover-up ?
The fact is there were most likely many more cases than there are today.
And even if I believed your lie about the scholarship, which I don't for a second, scholarships still represent real money. Money was paid to that institution in your name. And the fact the college said nothing about a woman's pregnancy doesn't change the fact that the money still went to the Catholic Church.

Spin it any way you like. It still spells hypocritical phony.
VoteVets Org

AOL

#314755 Nov 5, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I agree with many medical restrictions, especially with elective procedures. No doctor should have to perform a procedure he thinks is MEDICALLY inappropriate. I don`t care about any other concerns and I don`t think there should be legal restrictions; legislators aren`t physicians for the most part.
I decide what I think on this or any other issue; you're not smart enough to inform my position.
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Go lay your line of shit on one of the other gullible half soused PC sots that lap up your drivel.
Your creed all along has been a woman's right to choose, her body her choice, her right to personal risk assessment.
NOW you expect us to buy into the fact that your heart bleeds for a physician who is faced with the "gut wrenching" decision of whether or not to perform a procedure whose risks may be approaching that of typical childbirth ?!? You would remove a woman's right to paersonal risk assessment and force her to gestate on THAT basis ???
You facked up here chief. And as I suspected, your arrogance will not allow you to admit it.

Go spend a few hours looking up the definition of "clairvoyant".
Moron.
grumpy

Haverstraw, NY

#314757 Nov 5, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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I honestly honestly don't recall a specific conversation about "explanations of nature." Care to clarify or refer to a specific post?
It started with the argument about Noah and the flood. Ink believed the Biblical account which you disputed.
Rather than reading the same old-same old, I tried to put the argument on a scientific level by making the dispute between creation by intelligence (God) or chance (Big Bang).
sassyjm

Lake Grove, NY

#314758 Nov 5, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>What is UNICEF putting in Halloween bags? What ideas about abortion are being taught in schools? Did you see this happening and where and how many times? Come on, Ink is ready to pounce! If she's fair she'll expect you to meet her particular criteria for a post this thread, dammit. You can't just post a comment, you know.
Never mind, sassy, she'll kiss your butt. You're on her side.
UNICEF collects money for their pro-death organization on Halloween. In fact,UNICEF boxes are distributed to young children in schools to do the work for them. Abortion is taught as an option to an unwanted pregnancy during sex education. Are you really this ignorant or are you pulling my chain?

See,it's clueless posts like these from your side that prove to me how deceptive the pro-abortion movement really is. Thank you!
sassyjm

Lake Grove, NY

#314759 Nov 5, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Sassy, gosh and golly, believe it or not, there are these zealots on both sides who do inappropriate things. These were pro-lifers, this time. There's an Albuquerque blog that posted the pics from NM and Texas. They were clearly legit and even the prolifers could see that and didn't dispute them. You are allowed to believe it ot not. Doesn't matter one bit. You people are way too highly reactive (both sides). Maybe it's because I've been gone for a while. Stop with the conspiracy theory bullshit, already, please.
What "conspiracy theory" are you referring to? YOU came on here and posted what you did,for a reason. Yet,UNICEF collects money,especially on Halloween,from children,and yet,your side has not "blogged" a damn thing about it.

Be honest for once please.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#314760 Nov 5, 2013
grumpy wrote:
<quoted text>It started with the argument about Noah and the flood. Ink believed the Biblical account which you disputed.
Rather than reading the same old-same old, I tried to put the argument on a scientific level by making the dispute between creation by intelligence (God) or chance (Big Bang).
I lean more toward 'big bang' than 'ant farmer'. What are your thoughts?
sassyjm

Lake Grove, NY

#314761 Nov 5, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>We're basically an ant farm, hon...and "God" is the irritated little kid who keeps us on his desk, until he gets bored, and decides to shake the glass...
How sad that you view your creator like such.

Pretty big and beautiful "ant farm",wouldn't ya say? God intended us to be happy. Man,"shook the glass" deliberately through his(our)sinful nature. Free choice/will is a WONDERFUL gift. UGLY when abused. The innocent suffer because of it as well as those who are doing the abusing of it. Let's put the blame where it belongs. Jesus died for our sins to free us from the bonds of sin. THAT'S a loving God.
sassyjm

Lake Grove, NY

#314762 Nov 5, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>It's great he did Sassy, not sure what reaction you expected. Being in the position he is in perhaps he will have some influence on the lack of inspections of clinics.
Why is it "great" that he saw abortion in a totally different light that lead to his change? It was not based on "lack of inspections",AyakaNeo and you know it. The truth about what the abortion industry is about(what it does to an innocent baby,his/her mother)is where the truth shone. Not on a his dirty,unsterile office where women where left to die.

Abortion kills a baby.

Abortion kills the soul of a woman,emotionally and mentally,as well as physically. WHO on your side cares about either? ZERO,that's who. In fact,your abortion fight is all about a ME ME ME mentality minus the consequences or lifetime effects ON that woman or the generations to follow from the deliberate death of her child.

If only you could be a fly on the wall of your local CPC,Project Rachel,or Dr's/shrinks office to hear the truth about how women truly suffer from abortion.
sassyjm

Lake Grove, NY

#314763 Nov 5, 2013
AyakaNeo wrote:
<quoted text>6 times huh and you still can't get it right, may as well throw it out.
Good heavens child,please try to pay attention. It was Playa that made the claim. But,you did hit MY point to her right on the head.

So,yeah,thanks :)

Although,I wouldn't suggest throwing it out. I suggest that she pray to the Holy Spirit for wisdom,understanding while reading it.
sassyjm

Lake Grove, NY

#314764 Nov 5, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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I think we all understand this "love for men story" as written directly from the imaginations of men.
Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:5-15
New International Version (NIV)
5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.
7 A man ought not to cover his head,[a] since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; 9 neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10 It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own[b] head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12 For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.
13 Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, 15 but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering.
Ephesians 5:22-24
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the Saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
You sound like a woman scorned. The consensus of pro-abortion women is that marriage and motherhood is a prison sentence where within the woman is victimized. I don't view marriage or motherhood like that. God intended man to leave his mother and father and clings to his wife. THEY become ONE. With that said,we are one body. Your negative experiences has tanished such a beautiful union. Motherhood is the extension of that beautiful,loving bond.

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