Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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It has been redefined. Do you have a mental block?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/07/2...
No, it has not. It has never had just one meaning. Ever.
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They think it may have been like Niagra Falls.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-sug...
It's a "controversial" theory that hasn't been proven. What was proven were the freshwater shellfish going back some 7K years and the saltwater shellfish going back some 5K years.

You could analyze this paragraph if you wanted. "The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans," said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline. "There's one man they choose to survive. He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it's the same story."
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-sug...
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The words you are ignoring (or possibly misunderstanding as dumb as you are) are "some leaders", and "in our community". Meaning SOME rabbis, and applying only to Jews.
I never said there was no objection to homosexuality by anyone other than Christians. I said it's the Christian bigots who expect to dominate in the public sphere, and for everyone to live by their beliefs.
Are you living by my beliefs? I didn't think so.

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Are you living by my beliefs? I didn't think so.
Are you a Christian bigot who thinks Christianity should dominate our laws, and are working/voting to make it so? If not, then I wasn't talking about you, Witless.
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Are you a Christian bigot who thinks Christianity should dominate our laws, and are working/voting to make it so? If not, then I wasn't talking about you, Witless.
Christians for the most part make all the laws even the ones you like.

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Christians for the most part make all the laws even the ones you like.
You've missed the point again. No surprise.
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It has been redefined. Do you have a mental block?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2013/07/2...
Yes it was redefined when they added that it is between a man and a woman. The original phrase in various cultures did not specify such a thing.

Stop pretending that the word has only had one meaning in it's entire existence. You continue to ignore facts and instead stomp your little feet when the world doesn't yield to your opinion.
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Then you shouldn't have any trouble providing the meaning of marriage from, say twenty-five years ago which includes same sex.
why don't you look into on Wiki? It goes further back than 25 years ago.

"Definitions

Anthropologists have proposed several competing definitions of marriage in an attempt to encompass the wide variety of marital practices observed across cultures.[7]

Legitimate sexual access

Edvard Westermarck defined marriage as "a more or less durable connection between male and female lasting beyond the mere act of propagation till after the birth of the offspring."[8] In The Future of Marriage in Western Civilization (1936), he rejected his earlier definition, instead provisionally defining marriage as "a relation of one or more men to one or more women that is recognized by custom or law".[9]

Drawing on Westermarck, Duran Bell describes marriage as "a relationship between one or more men (male or female) in severalty to one or more women that provides those men with a demand-right of sexual access within a domestic group and identifies women who bear the obligation of yielding to the demands of those specific men." In referring to "men in severalty", Bell is referring to corporate kin groups such as lineages which, in having paid brideprice, retain a right in a woman's offspring even if her husband (a lineage member) deceases (Levirate marriage). In referring to "men (male or female)", Bell is referring to women within the lineage who may stand in as the "social fathers" of the wife's children born of other lovers.(See Nuer "Ghost marriage")[7]

However, the necessary connection between marriage and sexuality is being questioned by asexual marriages.[10]

Legitimacy of offspring

The anthropological handbook Notes and Queries (1951) defined marriage as "a union between a man and a woman such that children born to the woman are the recognized legitimate offspring of both partners."[11] In recognition of a practice by the Nuer of Sudan allowing women to act as a husband in certain circumstances (the Ghost marriage), Kathleen Gough suggested modifying this to "a woman and one or more other persons."[12]

In an analysis of marriage among the Nayar, a polyandrous society in India, Gough found that the group lacked a husband role in the conventional sense; that unitary role in the west was divided between a non-resident "social father" of the woman's children, and her lovers who were the actual procreators. None of these men had legal rights to the woman's child. This forced Gough to disregard sexual access as a key element of marriage and to define it in terms of legitimacy of offspring alone: marriage is "a relationship established between a woman and one or more other persons, which provides a child born to the woman under circumstances not prohibited by the rules of relationship, is accorded full birth-status rights common to normal members of his society or social stratum."[13]

Bell criticized the legitimacy-based definition on the basis that some societies do not require marriage for legitimacy. He argued that a legitimacy-based definition of marriage is circular in societies where illegitimacy has no other legal or social implications for a child other than the mother being unmarried.[7]

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why don't you look into on Wiki? It goes further back than 25 years ago.
"Definitions
Anthropologists have proposed several competing definitions of marriage in an attempt to encompass the wide variety of marital practices observed across cultures.[7]
Legitimate sexual access
Edvard Westermarck defined marriage as "a more or less durable connection between male and female lasting beyond the mere act of propagation till after the birth of the offspring."[8] In The Future of Marriage in Western Civilization (1936), he rejected his earlier definition, instead provisionally defining marriage as "a relation of one or more men to one or more women that is recognized by custom or law".[9]
Drawing on Westermarck, Duran Bell describes marriage as "a relationship between one or more men (male or female) in severalty to one or more women that provides those men with a demand-right of sexual access within a domestic group and identifies women who bear the obligation of yielding to the demands of those specific men." In referring to "men in severalty", Bell is referring to corporate kin groups such as lineages which, in having paid brideprice, retain a right in a woman's offspring even if her husband (a lineage member) deceases (Levirate marriage). In referring to "men (male or female)", Bell is referring to women within the lineage who may stand in as the "social fathers" of the wife's children born of other lovers.(See Nuer "Ghost marriage")[7]
However, the necessary connection between marriage and sexuality is being questioned by asexual marriages.[10]
Legitimacy of offspring
The anthropological handbook Notes and Queries (1951) defined marriage as "a union between a man and a woman such that children born to the woman are the recognized legitimate offspring of both partners."[11] In recognition of a practice by the Nuer of Sudan allowing women to act as a husband in certain circumstances (the Ghost marriage), Kathleen Gough suggested modifying this to "a woman and one or more other persons."[12]
In an analysis of marriage among the Nayar, a polyandrous society in India, Gough found that the group lacked a husband role in the conventional sense; that unitary role in the west was divided between a non-resident "social father" of the woman's children, and her lovers who were the actual procreators. None of these men had legal rights to the woman's child. This forced Gough to disregard sexual access as a key element of marriage and to define it in terms of legitimacy of offspring alone: marriage is "a relationship established between a woman and one or more other persons, which provides a child born to the woman under circumstances not prohibited by the rules of relationship, is accorded full birth-status rights common to normal members of his society or social stratum."[13]
Bell criticized the legitimacy-based definition on the basis that some societies do not require marriage for legitimacy. He argued that a legitimacy-based definition of marriage is circular in societies where illegitimacy has no other legal or social implications for a child other than the mother being unmarried.[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage
So you have three people rejecting the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. How nice .
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Yes it was redefined when they added that it is between a man and a woman. The original phrase in various cultures did not specify such a thing.
Stop pretending that the word has only had one meaning in it's entire existence. You continue to ignore facts and instead stomp your little feet when the world doesn't yield to your opinion.
Really when was it changed to a man and a woman?
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So you have three people rejecting the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman. How nice .
That's what you got of the info provided to you at your request?

Did you bother to read the link? The history?

Will you at least concede it goes back further than the 25yrs you requested?

Why don't you, just for fun, look up the Greeks' idea of "love".

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if it really happened as the scientists say, who told us about it? Decendents of the people who survived it.
Uh huh...and how many centuries ago did this flood allegedly take place? And how many generations have been passing this story down? And what was the knowledge of the Earth's size and topography back in Noah's day? How would these people know the whole world was flooded? They didn't know what the whole world looked like, or how big it was, and it's more likely old climates drove regular flooding just as our modern climate does now, and those ancient people didn't know what to make of it. And usually the most popular explanation for things the ancients didn't understand was that some unseen god did it.

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I don't know but the 'lore' does seem to have some basis in fact as well as a lot of other things in the bible that we wouldn't otherwise know of.
The only "fact" in the story is that floods are common on this planet and chances are a few happened a long, long time ago.

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I don't know but the 'lore' does seem to have some basis in fact as well as a lot of other things in the bible that we wouldn't otherwise know of.
If you saw a neighbor working hard day and night for several weeks building an ark in his back yard, and you went and asked him what he was up to, and he told you God spoke to him and instructed him to build said ark because God was planning a huge flood that would wipe out most of the planet, you would probably think the guy is a nut.

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Hoses can't marry at all.

BTW--if you have two male hose ends of different diameters, they can join together just like a male/female coupling.
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Yes you can marry a female hose end to a male hose end but you can't marry twos ends that are the same.
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Really when was it changed to a man and a woman?
You even quoted that it comes from old French. Trace the history. Go do your own research instead of making more incorrect claims.
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The only "fact" in the story is that floods are common on this planet and chances are a few happened a long, long time ago.
She still refuses to acknowledge that there is no evidence of the noahs arc flood... Story,which we should just call a myth or a fable.

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Show me a dictionary that isn't recent that includes same sex relationship as a 'marriage.'
The meaning has been changed. Why not just accept it and be 'Gay Power Proud'
I accepted the fact that sexual orientation should have nothing to do with a person's rights, a long time ago.

When you accept the fact that gays can marry, without whining that they're getting 'special rights', get back to me.
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So you're going to side with Ink and believe that 100% of Gays do not face murder, but that 100% of embryo/fetuses do?
first off, stop lying. i never said gays do not face murder. what i said is that 100% of embryos/fetuses also do. and that is a fact. in fact, the threat embryos/fetuses face is even greater because killing them is legal. at least born gay people have laws protecting them.
Wow.
you're shocked that i would side with those who state facts?

wow.
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Claiming abortion is "an issue of basic fudamental human rights," is a form of Christian dogma.
so is the belief that stealing is wrong. it doesn't mean that belief is exclusive to christians however. one need not be christian to hold the belief that taking someone else's property is wrong.
Human rights are premised on those already born.
"From this foundation, the modern human rights arguments emerged over the latter half of the twentieth century.[6]
Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world...
—1st sentence of the Preamble to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.
—Article 1 of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR)[7]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights
3.2 Rights of Women, Minorities, and Groups
(this entire section is informative and contains several other links)
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rights-huma...
"The Court’s conclusions of violations contrary to the American Convention on Human Rights followed from its ruling that, under the Convention, in vitro embryos are not “persons” and do not possess a right to life. Accordingly, the prohibition of IVF to protect embryos constituted a disproportionate and unjustifiable denial of infertile individuals’ human rights. The Court distinguished fertilization from conception, since conception—unlike fertilization—depends on an embryo’s implantation in a woman’s body. Under human rights law, legal protection of an embryo “from conception” is inapplicable between its creation by fertilization and completion of its implantation in utero."
http://reprohealthlaw.wordpress.com/2013/09/1...
the belief that abortion is an issue of human rights is not a belief that is exclusive to christians. there are atheists who are opposed to abortion based on the very premise that the fetus is a distinct "being" and a member of the species homo sapien. ever hear of robert price ? christopher hitchens ? nat hentoff ?
you have no idea what you're talking about.
but then again look who i'm trying to explain this to, a birdbrain who doesn't believe that pregnancy can be a direct result of a willful act.

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