Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 312718 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Susanm

Emmaus, PA

#311257 Sep 16, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>I don't agree with Rosesz view on abortion rights but she expresses her opinion without insulting the people who don't agree with her. You have shown that same trait, as well. Neither of you are extremists.
I guess I blew that with my last post.....please accept my apology. It just really pisses me off when people try to say that women are not using abortion as birth control because many of them certainly are.
Susanm

Emmaus, PA

#311258 Sep 16, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>Because she's not a Christian you moron.
My lord, your kind just get stupider with time.
Welcome back foo!!
Susanm

Emmaus, PA

#311259 Sep 16, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>It's not 'only' any one thing that makes women successful. But removing our right to personal risk assessment and self-defense when we are pregnant, isn't going to advance success among women...
unless 'success' is defined as 'spitting out an inexhaustible supply of kids'.
"It's not 'only' any one thing that makes women successful."

Then the right to kill shouldn't be that important of an issue.

"But removing our right to personal risk assessment and self-defense when we are pregnant, isn't going to advance success among women..."

Your "right to personal risk assessment" shouldn't include the right to kill.

"self-defense" is another issue all together, abortion should be allowed when there is a true risk to the LIFE of the mother.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#311260 Sep 16, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess I blew that with my last post.....please accept my apology. It just really pisses me off when people try to say that women are not using abortion as birth control because many of them certainly are.
Apology accepted. I have certainly not always been respectful to pro-lifers on this thread, so understand. While it is true that abortion is the ending of a pregnancy, and, therefore, by definition, is birth control, it is isn't, by and large something women rely upon as their choice of birth control. To me, the statement that "many" women use abortion as birth control, insinuates that many women regularly have abortions. I've been active in abortion rights for twenty years and know only a small handful of women who have had multiple abortions. Those women, are people who tend not to make good life decisions, overall. They are most definitely not the norm. It's illogical to think that a large percentage of women who have had abortions, have had multiple abortions and, frankly, it isn't true.
Susanm

Emmaus, PA

#311261 Sep 17, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>Apology accepted. I have certainly not always been respectful to pro-lifers on this thread, so understand. While it is true that abortion is the ending of a pregnancy, and, therefore, by definition, is birth control, it is isn't, by and large something women rely upon as their choice of birth control. To me, the statement that "many" women use abortion as birth control, insinuates that many women regularly have abortions. I've been active in abortion rights for twenty years and know only a small handful of women who have had multiple abortions. Those women, are people who tend not to make good life decisions, overall. They are most definitely not the norm. It's illogical to think that a large percentage of women who have had abortions, have had multiple abortions and, frankly, it isn't true.
CONTRACEPTIVE USE

• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.[8]

• Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Of these women, 33% had perceived themselves to be at low risk for pregnancy, 32% had had concerns about contraceptive methods, 26% had had unexpected sex and 1% had been forced to have sex.[8]

• Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated.[8]

• About half of unintended pregnancies occur among the 11% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy but are not using contraceptives. Most of these women have practiced contraception in the past.[9,10]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abo ...

After reading this, I don't understand how anyone could possibly come to the conclusion that women are not using abortion as BC.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#311262 Sep 17, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
CONTRACEPTIVE USE
• Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.[8]
• Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Of these women, 33% had perceived themselves to be at low risk for pregnancy, 32% had had concerns about contraceptive methods, 26% had had unexpected sex and 1% had been forced to have sex.[8]
• Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated.[8]
• About half of unintended pregnancies occur among the 11% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy but are not using contraceptives. Most of these women have practiced contraception in the past.[9,10]
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abo ...
After reading this, I don't understand how anyone could possibly come to the conclusion that women are not using abortion as BC.
My post doesn't contradict your report, in the least. In fact, your report doesn't even address my comment. Of the population of women who have had abortions, the percentage of those who have had multiple abortions is quite small. In order to claim that many women choose abortion as their preferred method of birth control, which it appears you are attempting to do, there would have to be a large percentage of women who have had multiple abortions in their lifetimes.
Susanm

Emmaus, PA

#311264 Sep 17, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>My post doesn't contradict your report, in the least. In fact, your report doesn't even address my comment. Of the population of women who have had abortions, the percentage of those who have had multiple abortions is quite small. In order to claim that many women choose abortion as their preferred method of birth control, which it appears you are attempting to do, there would have to be a large percentage of women who have had multiple abortions in their lifetimes.
I never said that abortion was used as the primary/preferred method, but by what Guttmacher reports many women do in fact use abortion as BC. Even if you discount the number of women that use other methods,

"Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant."

and

"Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control."

These numbers represent more than half of women whose method of BC, when they became pregnant, was abortion if they got pregnant.
Susanm

Emmaus, PA

#311265 Sep 17, 2013
elise in burque wrote:
<quoted text>My post doesn't contradict your report, in the least. In fact, your report doesn't even address my comment. Of the population of women who have had abortions, the percentage of those who have had multiple abortions is quite small. In order to claim that many women choose abortion as their preferred method of birth control, which it appears you are attempting to do, there would have to be a large percentage of women who have had multiple abortions in their lifetimes.
Of course then there is this:

NWL demands full control over the decision to have children. We want free and full access to all forms of birth control, including contraception and abortion."

Here is the next sentence that I left out yesterday:

"We want to make these decisions without pressure to have children, to go on Depo-Provera, to take hormones, or to get sterilized."

http://www.womensliberation.org/priorities/ab ...

What's left? Abstinence and abortion.
Ocean56

AOL

#311266 Sep 17, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
Regardless of how educated our daughters are, if they are considered state property when pregnant, they are not equal citizens. Period.
Exactly. And I think that is precisely how conservative and religious Republicans see women, as UNequal citizens, especially women who become pregnant. They will do their best to avoid stating it so bluntly in public, but I think that's what they believe about women in private.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Ocean56

AOL

#311267 Sep 17, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
We disagree .
It's,a shame that killing one's offspring is the litmus,test fir equality ..But that what we have come to ..
No accomplishment if a woman ..like getting into Congress means a thing
It seems unless they support abortion..We most definitely disagree
Yes, we do disagree on this, because women's rights, including reproductive rights, is very important to me. As far as I'M concerned, the conservative women I mentioned DO NOT support the basic right of a woman to make her OWN choice regarding a pregnancy, no matter what that choice may be.

That's why I would never vote for politicians like Bachmann and Palin, even if they are women. They aren't politicians I respect, nor would I trust them with the power their offices gave them.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Ocean56

AOL

#311268 Sep 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
A citizen's civil rights are not left to popular vote. That is the "tyranny of the majority" that the founders were attempting to avoid.
Precisely, and that's what the religious extremists like Gtown and company want to see returned. They want THEIR idea of "morality" imposed on everyone. They couldn't care less about women's civil rights or those of anyone who didn't belong to their little club.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#311269 Sep 17, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said that abortion was used as the primary/preferred method, but by what Guttmacher reports many women do in fact use abortion as BC. Even if you discount the number of women that use other methods,
"Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant."
and
"Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control."
These numbers represent more than half of women whose method of BC, when they became pregnant, was abortion if they got pregnant.
You know as well as I do, Sue, that when people talk about women using abortion as birth control, that most of them DO mean they are using it as their primary means of birth control.

If you're not doing so, and the other poster didn't claim they're not ever using it as birth control, what is the point in your post?

By the way, I don't believe anyone has said induced abortion is NOT a method of birth control in the first place.
worships reality

AOL

#311270 Sep 17, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You are incapable of understanding the very basics of communication. You and I do not speak the same language since you insist on warping word definitions and twisting posts beyond recognition. Even as you admit your initial question, you're still adding to it and faking like I've not answered it. Drop the slimy bone. It's unattractive.
You are not cute or funny or intelligent. You're like a belligerent spoiled child wanting what s/he wants without concern for others.
And stop bothering me. I refuse to get on your merry-go-round. You show no respect to women anywhere when you think it's a problem for them to determine their own outcomes.
oh grow up. you can only be bothered if you allow yourself to be. scroll on past my posts if you don't want to be bothered. but understand this, your paranoid refusal to honestly answer as basic a question as there is says all we need to know about you.
the fact is willful acts on the part of men and women many times "do" directly result in pregnancy. even shovel recognized that willful acts result in pregnancy. she even added two ( IVF and turkey baster ) that i didn't mention.
worships reality

AOL

#311271 Sep 17, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>
It was (first...originally...initiate d as) ectopic, and then it was removed...aborted...discontinu ed...defunct...non-extant...de ad...
Shall I go on?
Or do you care to continue in this vein, regardless of brutally pertinent embarrassment on your part?
I'll be happy to oblige...
how do you know? why are you answering a question directed at playa regarding her ectopic pregnancy as if it was yours?
Ocean56

AOL

#311272 Sep 17, 2013
Ink wrote:
How can you critize such accomplished women who represent the great success of feminism? I would argue that these women and thousands more have found a way to have fullfilling successful, contributing lives without promoting killing unborn babies. You just don't want to believe it is possible.
Inky, you can defend regressive women like Schlafly, Bachmann, and Palin all you want. But guess what, I can still criticize them, whether YOU approve of my doing so or not. The way I see it, the only "accomplishment" Schlafly has is defeating the Equal Rights Amendment, which is hardly a contribution in my book. Bachmann and Palin don't meet my definition of successful or "contributing" either, so I would never vote for either of them. As far as I'M concerned, none of those women deserve any respect, so they aren't going to get any from me.

There are many women in politics I respect and whom I would vote for if I could; PROGRESSIVE women who are doing their best to PROTECT women's rights. Schlafly, Bachmann, and Palin don't meet that criteria for me, which is why they would NEVER get MY vote.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Ocean56

AOL

#311274 Sep 17, 2013
STO wrote:
"Education and sorry to say not being responsible ..wITH freedoms cones responsibility .."
"PART IS,education but these people do not live in caves ...these things are all over the internet ...tve"
I think we agree that education is key. Then, access.
But many on your side do not want folks to be educated and they do not want birth control to be available. Many on your side outright lie; they preach birth control causes abortion. They say sex outside of marriage is a mortal sin, using a condom is a mortal sin, and abortion is a mortal sin. They call women murderers, having no clue why any particular woman had an abortion, then turn around and claim to hold these women's hands after they've guilted them into believing they are murderers.
If you want to see abortion become rare, then the lies have to stop.
Again, sex - ed for both women AND men is a must. And again, it's your side which claims sex ed leads to the irresponsibility you're talking about.
Your side advocates this vicious circle. Keep'um dumb, blame'um for not obeying, and take all of their choices away.
It doesn't work. Never has. Never will.
Brilliant, and spot-on, STO. I couldn't agree more. Thanks for putting it so perfectly.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#311275 Sep 17, 2013
worships reality wrote:
<quoted text>
how do you know? why are you answering a question directed at playa regarding her ectopic pregnancy as if it was yours?
I know, because I know what an ectopic pregnancy is, and how it is treated.

Do you?
feces for jesus

Brooklyn, NY

#311277 Sep 17, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said that abortion was used as the primary/preferred method, but by what Guttmacher reports many women do in fact use abortion as BC. Even if you discount the number of women that use other methods,
.
The numbers do not show anything more than statistics of abortions. To make the jump and claim that women use abortion as a form of birth control is utter lunacy. I doubt many women actually think "oh yeah, i don't mind having an abortion. This is my form of birth control."

You're just making this totally off the wall claim about girls and women you don't know and will never know. it is total BS.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#311278 Sep 17, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
You know as well as I do, Sue, that when people talk about women using abortion as birth control, that most of them DO mean they are using it as their primary means of birth control.
If you're not doing so, and the other poster didn't claim they're not ever using it as birth control, what is the point in your post?
By the way, I don't believe anyone has said induced abortion is NOT a method of birth control in the first place.
The point of her post, of course, is that she's wrapped up in the fact that some women have abortions for reasons of which she doesn't approve. Sue appears to enjoy bouncing her heels off the floor about that, and wants the rest of us to do the same.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#311279 Sep 17, 2013
Susanm wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course then there is this:
NWL demands full control over the decision to have children. We want free and full access to all forms of birth control, including contraception and abortion."
Here is the next sentence that I left out yesterday:
"We want to make these decisions without pressure to have children, to go on Depo-Provera, to take hormones, or to get sterilized."
http://www.womensliberation.org/priorities/ab ...
What's left? Abstinence and abortion.
It just grinds your gears that some women don't want to be inundated with artificial hormones, practice total abstinence (even within marriage), or have their organs removed, in order to make you happy.

Poor thing.

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