Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Do you think Canada is handling it right?
http://www.newsdaily.com/canada/9ac6e1ac36481...
No. People, including public servants should be able to wear what they want, imo. As long as they don't try to lead prayer as public officials, they aren't pushing their beliefs on others. Jmo.
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<quoted text>I'm a critic of all organized religion and have made that quite clear. As for your organization, it is a fact that the Catholic Church is, unfortunately, a perpetrator of many un-Christian and criminal actions, and therefore, is subject to widespread and justified criticism. Your religious organization is huge, powerful and immensely rich, and is not a victim, my dear. You don't know what persecution is, obviously. As for your alleged personal experience of being yelled at, well, if you Christians can yell at people outside of women's clinics, why can't people yell at people outside if a church? That's not persecution, honey. Again, you have no idea what persecution is. Buck up, don't be so soft.
So if Christians can be verbally abused outside churches then gays and Jews can also be abused and called filthy names? Should they "Buck Up"?

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<quoted text>And it is going to get worse unless people start respecting Christians in the work place and schools.I heard of children being harassed walking home from school being called bigots because they had school uniforms on. Forcing children to believe same sex marriage is normal. Having children being told that the religion their family believes in is wrong, and the parents are wrong. There are tv personalities qwho cut down people of faith, tell filthy jokes about Christians and how Obama takes down a Crucifix at Notre Dame where he is making a speech and the big one, Obama will not do anything to suppress the torture of Christians in Muslim countries.
No one is forcing anyone to believe in anything and your religious beliefs aren't being denied. People have as much right to criticize Christians as you have to criticize them. Maybe you folks should stop calling nonbelievers filthy names, also, huh, Knit and Pray? Look in the mirror, lady. Start with yourself.
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<quoted text>No. People, including public servants should be able to wear what they want, imo. As long as they don't try to lead prayer as public officials, they aren't pushing their beliefs on others. Jmo.
http://old.post-gazette.com/localnews/2003050...

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Elise says that never happens and she must be right.
I didn't say it never happens. I said, I haven't seen it in my community, at all. I said that where it happens, it is unfair. Those are my words. Why are you making things up? And, no, you don't get to construe an implication, if you intend to be honest. Please, don't be dishonest and manipulative.

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So if Christians can be verbally abused outside churches then gays and Jews can also be abused and called filthy names? Should they "Buck Up"?
They have been "bucking up" for many, many years and still are, along with any number of others groups of which Christians do not approve...all in the name of God. If Christians can call people filthy names and harass them outside of clinics and other venues, it's hypocritical to get upset when they get the same treatment.
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Elise says that never happens and she must be right.
You might want to re-read what Elise said.

She said she sees none of that in her community, but where ever it happens in the USA it's not fair.

Really, Ink, maybe you should stop admitting you don't pay attention and make a point to start paying attention. It really shows.

As for the article you linked regarding Quebec, apparently conformity means more than individualism. If Quebec is to be neutral, then its public workers need to be neutral, too. There are subtle religious symbols approved for wearing in public, according to the article. But the ostentatious symbols are not approved. Kinda like when most of Scarlett's friends were politely starving while she was having her mansion built. Her friends weren't too approving, either.

Quebec had been primarily Catholic until the 1960s, but the way I read it the religious tolerance wasn't aimed beyond Catholicism. Imagine that.
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So what happened with the lawsuit? That's from a decade ago. How was it resolved? And why didn't the woman just tuck her cross necklace under her collar? My necklaces stay tucked underneath my collar because they're personal to me, not to be on display ostentatiously.
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<quoted text>I'm a critic of all organized religion and have made that quite clear. As for your organization, it is a fact that the Catholic Church is, unfortunately, a perpetrator of many un-Christian and criminal actions, and therefore, is subject to widespread and justified criticism. Your religious organization is huge, powerful and immensely rich, and is not a victim, my dear. You don't know what persecution is, obviously. As for your alleged personal experience of being yelled at, well, if you Christians can yell at people outside of women's clinics, why can't people yell at people outside if a church? That's not persecution, honey. Again, you have no idea what persecution is. Buck up, don't be so soft.
Wow, really? Gee I didn't know that because last time I checked, the Catholic Church raised more money for charity, volunteered more of their time to the poor, helped more poor single mothers than all the governments in the world combined. By the way, how much longer are you guys gonna bring up the sex abuse scandal when you talk about Catholicism, out of the 2000 years it existed? So every time I talk to a Turk about Turkey I should bring up the Armenian genocide? Every time I talk to a German about Germany I should bring up the Holocaust? Is it the Church and it's culture you are bringing up or the flaws that you seem to love to bring up, as if any other secular organization isn't as guilty or more guilty of scandals as well. How about those good old public schools covering up those teacher sex scandals to save their asses while also inviting Planned Parenthood to say, "Well if you have a condom you can have sex all you want with no children," which is a blatant lie. So how about saying bad things about the dirty laundry about Jews, blacks, Muslims, Asians or any other group? If not than you have proven my point that you are biased against Catholics and you belong to the same group that ridiculed my ancestors who came here from Europe 200 years ago by wealthy WASPs that were spewing the same garbage and lies about my religion in order to drive us out of the US. Sorry to say, it didn't happen then and it won't happen now. The Catholic Church has given more to society than you will ever be able to do in your life. Instead of hiding behind the keyboard attacking my religion, go help the Little Sisters of the Poor in Haiti or an adoption center in Detroit but you can't because you are a lazy coward.
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Oh, here's how it was resolved. Quickly, too.

"Speaking at a 2003 press conference in Pittsburgh, Nichol said, "We are fighting for the people in Iraq, for their freedom. We are losing our freedom."

The two sides settled after a judge said the policy showed "hostility toward religion" and probably violated Nichol's free-speech rights.

ARIN's board of directors approved the settlement and allowed Nichol to keep her job as an aide. Also in the settlement, ARIN agreed to remove any reference to Nichol's suspension from her job record, delete from its employee handbook rules prohibiting employees from wearing religious jewelry or clothing in the classroom and pay Nichol's legal fees.

In exchange, she dropped her federal court case, her complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and her collective-bargaining grievance.

Nichol, 52, this fall will begin her 15th year working for ARIN. She said the statute should be repealed.

"I think it's important to be able to have freedom of expression," she said. "In our country, that's one of the fundamental rights."

There is a difference, she said, between wearing a religious symbol and promoting a particular faith.

She still wears the same necklace and cross, but, she said this morning, "It's not what makes me a Christian. It's what I believe in my heart."
http://www.indianagazette.com/news/reg-nation...

From the same link above, here's what I found interesting. "PITTSBURGH (AP)-- Two state lawmakers are proposing to change a section of Pennsylvania law that bars public school teachers from wearing religious symbols in the classroom.

An Indiana County teacher's aide, who was deeply involved in that issue eight years ago, supports their efforts.

State Reps. Eugene DePasquale, D-York, and Will Tallman, R-Adams County, said only Pennsylvania and Nebraska still have such bans. The lawmakers say the 1895 law was adopted at a time of great prejudice against Catholics and Jews.

Under the law, a public school teacher who wears a cross, yarmulke or other religious symbol in the classroom could be suspended from teaching for one year, and multiple offenses could lead to permanent disqualification. School board members could be held criminally liable for failing to enforce the prohibition."

And that answers questions I had. See, too, Brenda Nichols could continue to wear her cross tucked into her collar without reprimand as I'd asked earlier.

A polite and tolerant society means just that. Polite and tolerant of all, not just those who conform to specific ideals.

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<quoted text>Explain the lawsuits by students who have been told they can't wear certain jewelry. Explain the harassment by parents when they hear the Our Father at commencements. Explain why a student was sent home for wearing a pro life shirt , or told not to have pro life clubs. Explain why kids are harassed for having a prayer vigil around the American Flag BEFORE school. Explain why a Muslim can wear a scarf in class but a student can't bring their rosary to school, or have a religious saying on a t shirt.
Child Gets Suspended For Being An Atheist

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New 'Secular Safe Zone' Program to Defend Atheist Students

"Modeled after the LGBT safe zone programs, the project trains mentors in student communities to create safe, neutral places for students to talk about their doubts without fear of religious bullying."

http://www.secularstudents.org/SecularSafeZon...

Public Catholic school suspends students for wearing pro-choice stickers

"Seven students at a publicly funded Catholic school* in Thunder Bay, Ontario have been suspended from school for wearing homemade pro-choice t-shirts on a day that the school administration had devoted to a "pro-life" Day of Silence."

http://boingboing.net/2011/03/17/public-catho...

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<quoted text>And it is going to get worse unless people start respecting Christians in the work place and schools.I heard of children being harassed walking home from school being called bigots because they had school uniforms on. Forcing children to believe same sex marriage is normal. Having children being told that the religion their family believes in is wrong, and the parents are wrong. There are tv personalities qwho cut down people of faith, tell filthy jokes about Christians and how Obama takes down a Crucifix at Notre Dame where he is making a speech and the big one, Obama will not do anything to suppress the torture of Christians in Muslim countries.
That's funny since the Christians on here just love to call non-Christians "bigots" all the time.

I guess it's not harassment and bigotry when it's coming FROM a Christian only when it's directed to a Christian.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

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Elise says that never happens and she must be right.
Do you think persecution only happens to Christians?

What about when the supposed Christians on here post filthy abusive posts to the gay people who are also on here? That's okay I suppose? That's some of the worst abuse I've seen on here and it's perpetrated by the Christian posters.

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<quoted text>I doubt that you read the Talmud. You don't include Judaism among the religions you have studied.
Good evening "Grump."

Believe it or not, I do possess a Talmud from Penguin Classics but you'd be correct in that while I've skimmed it, I haven't sat down and read it. It, like my copies of the Book of Mormon, and the Mahabharata, is one of those books that seems to forever be on my "to read" list that I never seem to get to.
That said, my failure to mention Judaism was an oversight; I've read a bit about it and that interest stems not from Herbert's "Dune," but from my earlier interest in WWII history. Specifically, the history of the Third Reich and the Holocaust--of which I've accrued a fair library. The titles I've read with regards to studying Judaism have been, "The Bible as History" by Werner Keller, "Jews God and History" by Max I. Dimont, Leon Routh's "Judaism," and both Paul Johnson's and Solomon Grayzel's tomes titled, "A History of the Jews." In addition to those I've read Karen Armstrong's, "A History of God: The 4000 Year Quest of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam." And I don't know if these qualify, but I've read a few of Leon Uris' novels, "Exodus," "Mila 18," "Mitla Pass," "The Haj," all of which delve fairly in-depth about the history of the Jewish people if not Judaism directly.
My bad for not mentioning the interest earlier...

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Awww......really ? We needed you to tell us that ?
And you'd have supported any woman's right to abort any one of those "sweet folks" solely on the basis of their DS condition.
You make me want to gag you disgusting pretentious phony.
Awesome!!

That was my goal for the day!!

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Do you think persecution only happens to Christians?
No - they think only Christians should be allowed to persecute...

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Child Gets Suspended For Being An Atheist
http://www.weareatheism.com/child-gets-suspen...
New 'Secular Safe Zone' Program to Defend Atheist Students
"Modeled after the LGBT safe zone programs, the project trains mentors in student communities to create safe, neutral places for students to talk about their doubts without fear of religious bullying."
http://www.secularstudents.org/SecularSafeZon...
Public Catholic school suspends students for wearing pro-choice stickers
"Seven students at a publicly funded Catholic school* in Thunder Bay, Ontario have been suspended from school for wearing homemade pro-choice t-shirts on a day that the school administration had devoted to a "pro-life" Day of Silence."
http://boingboing.net/2011/03/17/public-catho...
Oh, but that's different to Knit, as you know. She yearns to be a martyr. Thinks it will make up for all the decidedly un-Christian things she thinks and does on a regular basis.

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Do you think persecution only happens to Christians?
What about when the supposed Christians on here post filthy abusive posts to the gay people who are also on here? That's okay I suppose? That's some of the worst abuse I've seen on here and it's perpetrated by the Christian posters.
The hypocrisy from SOME Christians is truly blatantly. These are the ones on this thread who whine the loudest but are the worst perpetrators. Unfortunately for the real Christians, these jerks are the ones that get noticed.

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<quoted text>The Church never was a perpertrater of any criminal act. If you say that , well then the public schools are, boy scout leaders are protestant religions are, teachers are. I know what persecution is. I have seen it in person. I have never witnessed pro life posters yelling at people, I have seen people pray to stop abortion, i have seen pro aborts call a mother holding her two year old a c*** and other filth. I know of priests ready to go and face jail time for preaching about Christ. I know a priest in Egypt that could be killed any day for being a Christian. He is a nice young man. You couldn't do what he does everyday. YOU persecute the unborn, you say that women have the right to kill the unborn. over fifty five million babies have been persecuted by women like you. Christ said whomever is persecuted in His Name will see Heaven.
You never stop lying and deflecting for yourself, only yourself. You're not a Christian. You're not a Catholic. You're a Cultist, a self-serving megalomaniac. You don't represent any sect of any religion. You are a fraud. After the disgusting comments you have made to various posters, here, under various screen names, you have nothing credible to say. Nothing you say matters.
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Why do you insist on putting your nose, and your imaginary misogynistic sky daddy in the crotches of women? Why not mind your own doorstep and lather it in prayer while minding your own business. The health and welfare of women/girls will not be compromised due to your silly beliefs.
Your opinion is wrong.
Our health and welfare is with God.
I am sure he knows you. You just don't care.

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