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“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#305678 Jul 25, 2013
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> So here you are judging my sister in law without even knowing her circumstances. See what i mean Rose. You pick and choose WHO you are gonna show compassion and respect to and whom you will judge(which according to YOU is unChristlike.
Are YOU really too stupid to see the difference between Rose saying she thinks the woman needs professional help, when you ASKED people for an opinion, on a message board that the woman is not on, and someone who IS on the board being constantly harassed by people on here with lies, fantasies and irrelevancies, and only a small kernel of truth?
sassy JM

Lake Grove, NY

#305679 Jul 25, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>My thoughts are that she lied to the cops about knowing whether or not she was pregnant, that she gave birth to a stillborn, and that the judge was right in directing her to seek counseling. Also, that the person who found the body should probably get some counseling too.
Why? What are your thoughts?
Why, in your proabortion mind does she need counseling for throwing her dead fetus in the trash? Abortionist do it everyday. PLUS they kill the fetus first.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#305681 Jul 25, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
It a big Washington pastime ..And creating headline situations or making them wore to deflect attention
They broke the law AND their own rules.
They had no business tilting politic
But then they did use tax money to learn how to dance..sort of
The IRS always seemed like a shady crowd with very little oversight. That's one bureaucratic entity that needs constant surveillance.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#305682 Jul 25, 2013
Gtown71 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes!!!
its alot to soak in at once :) lol
Then I should start preparing now...

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#305683 Jul 25, 2013
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> Absorb what the core meaning of the article is about. You'd then see that the sbortion movement is indeed based on deception. Vulnerable girls (those who are young and find themselves pregnant) deceive themselves because they've bought into a lie. Can't you see this womans post screaming that?
The mere fact that she convinced herself that *her child* was an *it* in order to consciously kill her child shows the deception of this multi-billion dollar business. Even abortion Drs, nurses and staff who left the business exposed the deception going on behind closed doors to guarantee that abortion. Wake up!
At the end of the day, she lives with the ugly raw truth of what she did to her developing *child*. I've seen ONE TOO MANY similar situations. These girls and women are suffering mentally, emotionally and many physically(from their previous abortion(s).
Ah....who cares about them now that they aborted? Isn't that right STO? You people can shut them out while you continue to lie to them and other vulnerable girls, that they should be "lucky" that they could and can abort.
Anti-woman....
Heartless and insensitive!
Your entire religion, and the rules you want to impose because of it, could be based on a deception. Or a mass delusion.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#305684 Jul 25, 2013
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> Why, in your proabortion mind does she need counseling for throwing her dead fetus in the trash? Abortionist do it everyday. PLUS they kill the fetus first.
What is a 'proabortion' mind?

Grief counseling can be very helpful after a death. Do you have a problem with the judge's ruling that she seek it?

I don't - she is under no obligation to follow the Counselor's instructions, just to seek the counseling.

But I do understand your confusion, since you don't understand the difference between stillbirth and abortion.

*pat pat*
sassy JM

Lake Grove, NY

#305685 Jul 25, 2013
Long Night Moon 13 wrote:
<quoted text>
Your entire religion, and the rules you want to impose because of it, could be based on a deception. Or a mass delusion.

And your *opinion* has what to do with the specific conversation?

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#305687 Jul 25, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Ye Gods, another "story" from you. I call bullshit. But, even if she did, Rose is not saying there is something wrong because the woman gave birth at home, you lying POS.
This has nothing to do with abortion being legal. It has to do with the proper disposal of the dead. Improper disposal can cause contamination and sickness. And that's all that she was charged with, improper disposal.
Your desperation is pitiful that you are trying to tie this to abortion being legal. It's got nothing to do with it.
And my post to her was that I'm pretty sure her SIL called for some help or an ambulance to tend to her and her baby .

Since the woman in the story sounds like she DUD NOT.seems to me something is wrong with her ..IMO

Thus the judge makes her go for counselling

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#305688 Jul 25, 2013
I didn't say she NEEDS therapy, the judge did. Since the story is a little light on details, I don't know how traumatic the incident was for her. Perhaps the judge saw more damage than noted in the story. Nowhere does it say the woman didn't want the pregnancy. Losing a wanted, born child IS traumatic.

Life cannot be deceased. A corpse isn't "life" on any level except bacterial.
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> I asked you a quesfion and you didn't answer.
You said that she needed counseling for what she did. Why? Abortionist kill fetus for a living. They dump that fetus in the garbage with the rest of the days work everyday. This woman dumps her stillborn fetus in the garbage and she is charged AND *you* think that she needs counseling.
Oh and no, i don't think she should have her deceased child made into a lamp. See, i respect human life-alive or deceased. You should ask some of those abortionist out there though...seems they like to save and store them as a hobby.
sassy JM

Lake Grove, NY

#305689 Jul 25, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>What is a 'proabortion' mind?
Grief counseling can be very helpful after a death. Do you have a problem with the judge's ruling that she seek it?
I don't - she is under no obligation to follow the Counselor's instructions, just to seek the counseling.
But I do understand your confusion, since you don't understand the difference between stillbirth and abortion.
*pat pat*
I am well aware of the difference between a stillbirth and an abortion. Kthanks.

You might want to explain the difference to some of your fellow proabort friends here (specifically katie and foo) who dont think that there "is" a difference.

@@ I know..right?!?!

Now, by all means, explain WHY she needs counseling but post abortive women and abortionist dont. In other words what makez you think that she personally is grieving a baby that she threw in the garbage.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#305690 Jul 25, 2013
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text>So true. We live in an accepted "throw away" society. That's what this woman apparently lived by. She is a product of her society.
Throwing fetus's in the trash is a multi-billion dollar a year industry. But...this woman is "mentally ill or using drugs" and needs" counseling" ?.
Sassy

She did not ..as far as we KNIW,try to abort ..no coat hangar changeable knife was used ..AS FAR AS WE KNOW SO FAR..the ME can determine that .

She had a baby alone..did not call fir help and then tried to th r ow it away ..it's awful ...

Maybe she mentally mentally ill or on drugs...had no idea it was labor..WE DON'T KNOW..what we do know,FROM YOUR ARTICLE the baby did NOT take a breath

Now in this case here in Fla are so many things wrong ..

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/florida.abor...

That baby was thrown in th e garbage alive...
And I remember this case being debated here in fact ..

But IMO this is a poor example of the point you are trying to make with this case And is foolish

Most women call fir help...most women would not put the baby in a bag .

That is probably why they want to determine competency ...before deciding what to d o with her ..
sassy JM

Lake Grove, NY

#305691 Jul 25, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
I didn't say she NEEDS therapy, the judge did. Since the story is a little light on details, I don't know how traumatic the incident was for her. Perhaps the judge saw more damage than noted in the story. Nowhere does it say the woman didn't want the pregnancy. Losing a wanted, born child IS traumatic.
Life cannot be deceased. A corpse isn't "life" on any level except bacterial.
<quoted text>
Uh...in the mind of a proabort..this was not a "born baby". It was a stillborn fetus. WHY would she find this traumatic. Are you NOW claiming that a dead fetus is the same as losing a live baby at one minute old??
Hmmmm...

Oh and did you not agree with him that she would need therapy?. Yes you did. Now please explain why.

Kthanks.

The woman threw her fetus in the trash. A FULL term *fetus*. That's most definately a disrespect for human life which is a reflection on the society she lives in where killing and dumping your fetus in the trash is acceptable and legal.

(Take note of my use of the stage of life of this child)
sassy JM

Lake Grove, NY

#305692 Jul 25, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>The article states quite clearly what she faces charges of: concealing the death of a child, and abuse of a corpse. She should have reported it, and had the authorities dispose of the body, rather than just pitching it in the garbage on her own. You're not allowed to bury your dead gramma in the backyard, either. There are laws governing the disposal of dead bodies.
Obviously, the judge thought she would benefit from grief counseling, as well.
What puzzles me, is the large amount of bail. Half a mil for a health code violation, seems a mite stiff...but maybe it was that 'abuse of a corpse' bit. Folks tend to get a little nuts over stuff like that, sometimes.
"Concealing the death of a child"

What child? A fetus is now a "child"?

Throwing the corpse of a dead fetus in the garbage is "abuse" now?

Do you not see a problem with this pattern of hypocrisy?
sassy JM

Lake Grove, NY

#305693 Jul 25, 2013
Rose, I asked you a simple question. Have you read my posts?
sassy JM

Lake Grove, NY

#305694 Jul 25, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Sassy
She did not ..as far as we KNIW,try to abort ..no coat hangar changeable knife was used ..AS FAR AS WE KNOW SO FAR..the ME can determine that .
She had a baby alone..did not call fir help and then tried to th r ow it away ..it's awful ...
Maybe she mentally mentally ill or on drugs...had no idea it was labor..WE DON'T KNOW..what we do know,FROM YOUR ARTICLE the baby did NOT take a breath
Now in this case here in Fla are so many things wrong ..
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/06/florida.abor...
That baby was thrown in th e garbage alive...
And I remember this case being debated here in fact ..
But IMO this is a poor example of the point you are trying to make with this case And is foolish
Most women call fir help...most women would not put the baby in a bag .
That is probably why they want to determine competency ...before deciding what to d o with her ..
My post was directed at the proaborts here and for a reason(to point out the abortion movement's hypocriscy). It is not a "poor example".

Why you are arguing with me is puzzling me.
This was a dead fetus Rose....which our society claims is not a valued, unique life..hence my purpose for bringing it up.

The story you linked was a LIVE BABIES BIRTH who was thrown in garbage.

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#305695 Jul 25, 2013
sassy JM wrote:
My original post was geared at proaborts for a reason. I think what this woman did was wrong FTR. She disrespected her deceased babys body.
You replied to the post with comments about this woman being a mental case or possibly using drugs *because* she didn't call for help.! You judged this woman's actions but find prolifers so called "judging" people on here who ADVOCATE, SUPPORT abortion as chojce..on a daily basis. Some of whom aborted previosly and still support it as choice(you buy into the cry of regret but I don't because its bullsh*t).
Then you give this whole post about finding a middle with these people. You mentioned us all being wives or husbands while loving our children as a common ground. Guess what Rose? These people who you choose to spend your every waking hour chit chagting with,, are fihting for a "right" to kill your child. So you are not on common grounds.
You are suppose to be here speaking truth...not sugar coating killing innocent humans in the womb<quoted text>
Sassy what you still don't see nor HELP with are the many debates,I DO HAVE with all of them on subjects concerning ABORTION..very grateful in fact.

But I do not Need to HATE THEM because I disagree on this MIST important subject .

If you need to have at it ..there ars Times when I am the ONLY PRO LIFE VOICE ON HERE. Such as a few days ago about the 20 week legislation..where we're YOU and the others..

yet you and your buddies,come after ME. fir Nit being hateful in debate and not tormenting a woman who aborted THIRTY YEARS ago.

I take her at her word...to me..And others. She regrets her choice.

This is a forum for debate ..But we do not have to be mean it hateful .

If our politicians so u of stop setting hateful examples..Maybe there WOULD BE RARITY with abortion..

I choose to pray for that.

And if I choose to have other conversation if a friendly nature..with people who who are people in this country just as I am

Why on earth do any of you care .

I AM NOT FOR ABORTION.
Given a vote I would vote against it ..if someone wants to HATE me for that ..they won't talk. to me.

If nit I am not going to be hateful to them

So far the Only hateful stuff to me personally is NOT coming from the PC side.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#305696 Jul 25, 2013
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> I am well aware of the difference between a stillbirth and an abortion. Kthanks.
You might want to explain the difference to some of your fellow proabort friends here (specifically katie and foo) who dont think that there "is" a difference.
@@ I know..right?!?!
Now, by all means, explain WHY she needs counseling but post abortive women and abortionist dont. In other words what makez you think that she personally is grieving a baby that she threw in the garbage.
Oh, I think I'll leave the finger wagging to you. But it's not important why *I* think she should get counseling. I'm not the judge appointed to her case.

The article was woefully short of the sort of details you'd need to make the comparison you're attempting. Maybe she was playing it close to the vest about her pregnancy, because she had lost one before. You don't know what sort of mental state she was in when she lost this one...you just have a bee in your bonnet to compare what YOU THINK her feelings were, with those of women who abort - about whose feelings you ALSO know nothing.

What I will explain, however, is that grief is not a one-size-fits-all emotion. Not everyone deals with it in healthy ways. Throwing one's stillborn into the trash doesn't seem like the act of a mentally healthy individual, to me...maybe the judge feels the same. You might ask him.

Aren't you all gung-ho for women who abort, to mourn and grieve their 'babies'? Wouldn't you support them getting grief counseling?

Oh, wait....who the hell am I talking to?
You're the biggest hypocrite on the thread.

Never mind.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#305697 Jul 25, 2013
Don't try to define anyone else's mindset; you aren't smart enough.

It was born dead; it's not that hard to understand. You have no idea if the woman is pro-choice or not; we know she chose to keep the pregnancy to term. And YES, a woman who gives birth usually expects to have a live baby as the result, which can be very traumatic when it doesn't happen.

I never said she NEEDED therapy. I don't make that determination; a therapist would. The judge had more of the facts in front of him than we did, and ordered an evaluation (a judge is not qualified to demand a course of treatment outside of addiction.)

How people dispose of a corpse has varied for centuries, and everyone sees it differently. In this case, I can see an act of extreme grief and denial; it's not the first time a distraught person has tied to make a disappointment go away. It has nothing to do with abortion, except in your tiny, obsessive brain.
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> Uh...in the mind of a proabort..this was not a "born baby". It was a stillborn fetus. WHY would she find this traumatic. Are you NOW claiming that a dead fetus is the same as losing a live baby at one minute old??
Hmmmm...
Oh and did you not agree with him that she would need therapy?. Yes you did. Now please explain why.
Kthanks.
The woman threw her fetus in the trash. A FULL term *fetus*. That's most definately a disrespect for human life which is a reflection on the society she lives in where killing and dumping your fetus in the trash is acceptable and legal.
(Take note of my use of the stage of life of this child)

“HAVE A BLESSED ”

Since: Aug 08

New Year

#305698 Jul 25, 2013
sassy JM wrote:
<quoted text> My post was directed at the proaborts here and for a reason(to point out the abortion movement's hypocriscy). It is not a "poor example".
Why you are arguing with me is puzzling me.
This was a dead fetus Rose....which our society claims is not a valued, unique life..hence my purpose for bringing it up.
The story you linked was a LIVE BABIES BIRTH who was thrown in garbage.
And is a better example of your point that babies babies are not VALUED Sassy ..the clinic owner just swooped in and dumped that baby ..whom it was proved had taken a breath .

Just pointing out that your story. Sad as it is ..to me shows something is wrong with the mom .

I'm arguing because I n your answer on this ..You keep bringing up that I seemingly approve of abortion because I can speak in a friendly manner to PC posters.

You were not here for the latest debate when I kept posting pics if 22. 23 week. Preemie. Equation g those little children with the 23 week in womb babies who supposedly are nit aware they are being killed.

You were nit here. Fine..But m y friendship with a single soul on this board has NITHING to do with how I feel about abortion.

And IMO y our story..until we know more. Only shows a sad situation..nit hypocrisy ..SO FAR ..if there is follow up.let me know
Katie Still Not Reading

New York, NY

#305699 Jul 25, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the article. It's all about how the "abortion industry uses manipulation". Found another article on the same site from the same author written last August. And here's what she instructs to get people supporting the GOP, "Don't waste energy on people who are seriously dug in. It will be a waste of time and more aggravating than it's worth. Focus on folks who are unsure of where they stand, who seem pretty clueless about what's going on, and/or whose core values contradict their political leanings.
Remember, if each of us can get just one more person on our team, we double our vote. And that is powerful."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/08/doubli...

Heh! Why do you think that is?
Heh! Maybe because it makes perfect sense to not focus your attention on those "seriously dug in" whose minds you're likely never going to change, but instead focus on those who may be fence sitters and/or not necessarily fully informed on the issues. And that would apply to people on BOTH sides.

Heh. Read !!!

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