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Katie

Federal Way, WA

#305354 Jul 19, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
Katie
It's no secret they and almost everyone wants a better simpler tax code .
And that Healtcare ...even its,biggest proponents the Unions Unions have figured out it will COST JOBS and hours.
And cause small businesses to go broke unless they fire people.
And they MIST certainly NOT RIGHT WING .
KATIE...
The IRS,scandal ..which by testimony goes up to WASHINGTON .
is nit a tactic of any one BUT THE IRS..THRY were wring to use politics
And hold up applications by the Right and by PRO ISRAEL groups...
It was not just 2 overzealous,employees..They broke the law.
Now is the Right using this to try go get rid IF the mess mess that is our tax code..I'm sure they are.
BUT THEY did NOT make this stuff up.
It happened.
Look the LEFT-WING uses things to get at the Right ..the,Right wing uses stuff to get at the Left.
It's politics,..disgusting politics .
BUT THE I R S is NOT supposed to favor or disfavor any person or group.
Rose silly before
An election...it's the LAW..ITS,their OWN RULES.
I would get RID of all those 501. 527 things,.Rohrabacher the election. IMO
BUT since they are legal ..the RIGHT has as Much right to have them as THE LEFT.
what if the IRS under Republicans Austrians harassed groups or pro p me on the LEFT .
the press. press Would crucify them and the whole administration
They violated the LAW AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS of these groups,
And that is wrong
Using the IRS as henchmen is one if the things that got Nixon rightly booted from office ..
I hope at some future point, you find something regarding Religious Right interesting and do further research on it. Your words above have missed my point by miles and seem based in denial. One of the founders of The Religious Right is Pat Robertson. If your interest is ever piqued out of denial, please start with him.

FTR, I am not trying to change your mind or your stance on abortion. I am trying to help you see why and how it's gotten to this point even though Roe v Wade was decided way back in 1973 and should be a done deal.

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305355 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope at some future point, you find something regarding Religious Right interesting and do further research on it. Your words above have missed my point by miles and seem based in denial. One of the founders of The Religious Right is Pat Robertson. If your interest is ever piqued out of denial, please start with him.
FTR, I am not trying to change your mind or your stance on abortion. I am trying to help you see why and how it's gotten to this point even though Roe v Wade was decided way back in 1973 and should be a done deal.
And Katie

Same as with those 22week preemie. feeling PAIN..

If you do not believe the IRS DID ANYTHING WRONG. I say we agree to disagree on both.

BTW, PAT Robertson did not get many votes.. nor is he listened to much
On politics ..

People on both sides want what they want. They yell ..they form groups .

Politics ..

Your side is winning ..take heart ..the Left trumped the RIGHT .

And even the Left wing Union bosses are not happy..more unemployment ahead .

And we are becoming more and more socialistic in nature..
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#305360 Jul 19, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
And Katie
Same as with those 22week preemie. feeling PAIN..
If you do not believe the IRS DID ANYTHING WRONG. I say we agree to disagree on both.
BTW, PAT Robertson did not get many votes.. nor is he listened to much
On politics ..
People on both sides want what they want. They yell ..they form groups .
Politics ..
Your side is winning ..take heart ..the Left trumped the RIGHT .
And even the Left wing Union bosses are not happy..more unemployment ahead .
And we are becoming more and more socialistic in nature..
Rose, again, my point is that The Religious Right is a real group. You seem to deny its influence across America or its true goal of creating a theocracy.

"The Christian right has been a notable force in both the Republican party and American politics since the late 1970s, when Baptist pastor Jerry Falwell and other Christian leaders began to urge conservative Christians to involve themselves in the political process. In response to the rise of the Christian right, the 1980 Republican Party platform assumed a number of its positions, including dropping support for the Equal Rights Amendment and adding support for a restoration of school prayer; abortion was also opposed.[4][5] Since about 1980, the Christian right has been associated with several institutions including the Moral Majority, the Christian Coalition, Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council.[12][13]"

"The Christian right believes that separation of church and state is not explicit in the American Constitution, believing instead that such separation is a creation of what it claims are activist judges in the judicial system.[59][60][61] In the United States, the Christian right often supports their claims by asserting that the country was "founded by Christians as a Christian Nation."[62][63] Members of the Christian right take the position that the Establishment Clause bars the federal government from establishing or sponsoring a state church (e.g. the Church of England), but does not prevent the government from acknowledging religion. The Christian right points out that the term "separation of church and state" is derived from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson, not from the Constitution itself.[64][65][66] Furthermore, the Alliance Defense Fund takes the view that the concept of "separation of church and state" has been utilized by the American Civil Liberties Union and its allies to inhibit public acknowledgment of Christianity and restrict the religious freedoms of Christians.[67]"

"The modern roots of the Christian right's views on sexual mores were evident in the 1950s, a period in which many Christian conservatives viewed sexual depravity as not only excessive, but in fact a danger that would result in the impending destruction of the country.[8]:30 Beginning in the 1970s, conservative Christian protests against sexual immorality began to surface, largely as a reaction to the "permissive sixties" and an emerging prominence of sexual liberties arising from Roe v Wade and the gay rights movement. Christians began to "wake up" and make sexuality issues a priority political cause.[8]:28

The Christian right has managed to gain a foothold as the "self-appointed conscience of American society". During the 1980s, the movement was largely dismissed by political pundits and mainstream religious leaders as "a collection of buffoonish has-beens". Later, it re-emerged, better organized and more focused, taking firm positions against abortion, pornography, homosexuality and feminism.[10][79]:4"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305361 Jul 19, 2013
GOOD GRIEF. where are they coming from..

“BY THE TIME YOU SEE ME”

Since: Jul 13

YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED

#305362 Jul 19, 2013
LIer wrote:
Wow! No posts? I would've thought this one would be a "web-buster".
286,000 posts later, it is not a web buster, but it is a successful thread.
Notaplaya1965

Tulsa, OK

#305363 Jul 19, 2013
Do you defend the life of fertilized ova which are daily flushed at in vitro fertilization clinics, because their parents find them extraneous?

Do you defend the lives of the thousands of these fertilized ova which are suspended in frozen animation, awaiting the day when they can be implanted, and ultimately discarded when they are no longer 'viable'?

Do you defend the right of Nadya Suleman (otherwise known as 'Octomom') and others who have large families they cannot support by themselves, to rely on public assistance to house, clothe, feed and provide medical care to the kids?

Do you defend the lives of children in America who are starving, abused, or abandoned, by protesting overseas adoptions?

Do you defend the life of those who commit heinous crimes?

Unless you can answer these questions with an unhesitating YES, then you are not "Pro-Life". You are "Pro-fetus" or "Pro-what-life-you-consid er-important."
Notaplaya1965

Tulsa, OK

#305364 Jul 19, 2013
Nanny Bloomberg wrote:
<quoted text>
Innocent life, playa. Innocent life. In fact, the most innocent and helpless that can be imagined.
Minus the question regarding those who have committed heinous crimes, I suppose you consider the rest of the examples NOT 'innocent' life?

What crime have frozen embryos committed?

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305365 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
Rose, again, my point is that The Religious Right is a real group. You seem to deny its influence across America or its true goal of creating a theocracy.
"Tr the Equal Rights Amendment and adding support for a restoration of school prayer; abortion was also opposed.[4][5] Since about 1980, the Christian right has been associated w..........yt such separation is a creation of what it claims are activist judges in the judicial system.[59][60][61] Inom establishing or sponsoring a state church (e.g. the Church of England), but does not prevent the government from acknowledging religion. The Christian righ..........
"The modern roots of the Christian right's views on sexual mores were evident in the 1950s, a period in which many Christian conservatives viewed sexual depravity as not only excessive, but in fact a danger that would result in the impending destruction of the country.[8]:30 Beginning in the 1970s, conservative Christian protests against sexual immorality began to surface, largely as a reaction to the "permissive sixties" and an emerging prominence of sexual liberties arising from Roe v Wade and the gay rights movement. Christians began to "wake up" and make sexuality issues a priority political cause.[8]:28
The Christian right has managed to gain a foothold as the "self-appointed conscience of American society". During the 1980s, the movement was largely dismissed by political pundits and mainstream religious leaders as "a collection of buffoonish has-beens". Later, it re-emerged, better organized and more focused, taking firm positions against abortion, pornography, homosexuality and feminism.[10][79]:4"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right
KAtie..

I did never say they don't exist .

We already discussed this ..The LEFT WING RADICALS,also have powerful people in them as,I told you .

And the,LEFT is winning the fight ..So ros,and His billions..MO VE ON .And it's,off shoots .THE left wing radical Democrats,..the Left wing media,...

They have won ..

Just because people on the,RIGHT have passions,for things You d o not agree with .

I am passionate about some if the things on the Right

Does that mean that my own government to whom I have paid taxes is correct go shut me up using their power.

D dies it give them the right to nit give the same rights

To the Tea,Party or PRO ISRAEL groups thAt it gives to MOVE ON ..And all the Left Wing ..groups,in the same category...
BEFORE AN ELECTION

if you think this criminal behaviour is correct ..then what stops them when they come after you

YOU BROUGHT UP THE IRS THIS time.

AND I specifically answers in that.

I don't care about any group ..I'm not a joiner..But I darn well care when a government agency TRAMPLED THEIR RIGHTS .

And we all should care or this is no longer OUR country..

I cannot help it if you think they are HORRID people.

I feel the same way about So ross And company ..I think they are ruining this country ...

But unfortunately they have a right to exist and influence politics.

The IRS criminal behaviour was made up by NO ONE...THEY HAVE
ADMITTED ADMITTED it happened ..AND THAT IT WAS WRONG..Katie.

The only question is how High it went .

And hopefully we may find out..

Hearings on the IRS are not part of a theocracy .

And no real Right person wants that anywAy

We want freedom TO worship ..

We see a lot of what the Left and its social arms you mentioned as trying to take OUR rights away.

We can a see and worry about conspiracies.

But if you look up..into Washington

And forget your fears of those who are NOT in power

You would see what was wrong ..And why we need to get off the road of Government stopping the lawful process of elections

And our emails and phone calls fir that matter .

As I said ..We can agree to disagree.

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305366 Jul 19, 2013
BTW Falwell imo is nit any one most if US would follow anywhere ..neither is Robertson .

“BY THE TIME YOU SEE ME”

Since: Jul 13

YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED

#305367 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope at some future point, you find something regarding Religious Right interesting and do further research on it. Your words above have missed my point by miles and seem based in denial. One of the founders of The Religious Right is Pat Robertson. If your interest is ever piqued out of denial, please start with him.
FTR, I am not trying to change your mind or your stance on abortion. I am trying to help you see why and how it's gotten to this point even though Roe v Wade was decided way back in 1973 and should be a done deal.
Why should Roe v. Wade be a done deal? Are you saying that things that are decided in your favor should be a done deal?

Well, in 1965 the Voter's Right Act should have been a done deal?
In the 1800s many thought that slavery was a done deal.
In 7,000 BC, marriage as one man and one woman was a done deal.
And prior to 1973 abortion was murder and that was a done deal.
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#305368 Jul 19, 2013
NAP --

In wiki link left for Rose, I found this tidbit. It reminded me of ALEC.

"The terms "dominionist" and "dominionism" are rarely used for self-description, and their usage has been attacked from several quarters. Journalist Anthony Williams charged that its purpose is "to smear the Republican Party as the party of domestic Theocracy, facts be damned."[116] Stanley Kurtz labeled it "conspiratorial nonsense," "political paranoia," and "guilt by association",[117] and decried Hedges' "vague characterizations" that allow him to "paint a highly questionable picture of a virtually faceless and nameless 'Dominionist' Christian mass."[118] Kurtz also complained about a perceived link between average Christian evangelicals and extremism such as Christian Reconstructionism:

The notion that conservative Christians want to reinstitute slavery and rule by genocide is not just crazy, it's downright dangerous. The most disturbing part of the Harper's cover story (the one by Chris Hedges) was the attempt to link Christian conservatives with Hitler and fascism. Once we acknowledge the similarity between conservative Christians and fascists, Hedges appears to suggest, we can confront Christian evil by setting aside 'the old polite rules of democracy.' So wild conspiracy theories and visions of genocide are really excuses for the Left to disregard the rules of democracy and defeat conservative Christians by any means necessary.[117]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right

And then I remembered this; South Dakota House Bill 1171.

" FOR AN ACT ENTITLED, An Act to expand the definition of justifiable homicide to provide for the protection of certain unborn children.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA:
Section 1. That 22-16-34 be amended to read as follows:
22-16-34. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person while resisting any attempt to murder such person, or to harm the unborn child of such person in a manner and to a degree likely to result in the death of the unborn child, or to commit any felony upon him or her, or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person is.
Section 2. That 22-16-35 be amended to read as follows:
22-16-35. Homicide is justifiable if committed by any person in the lawful defense of such person, or of his or her husband, wife, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant, or the unborn child of any such enumerated person, if there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony, or to do some great personal injury, and imminent danger of such design being
accomplished."
http://legis.state.sd.us/sessions/2011/Bill.a...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/15/south-d...
The above link has excellent picture of what an embryo really looks like. Oh and it discusses SD's House Bill 1171 as making it possibly legal under Justifiable Homicide to kill OB/GYNs who perform abortions.

“BY THE TIME YOU SEE ME”

Since: Jul 13

YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED

#305369 Jul 19, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
KAtie..
I did never say they don't exist .
We already discussed this ..The LEFT WING RADICALS,also have powerful people in them as,I told you .
And the,LEFT is winning the fight ..So ros,and His billions..MO VE ON .And it's,off shoots .THE left wing radical Democrats,..the Left wing media,...
They have won ..
Just because people on the,RIGHT have passions,for things You d o not agree with .
I am passionate about some if the things on the Right
Does that mean that my own government to whom I have paid taxes is correct go shut me up using their power.
D dies it give them the right to nit give the same rights
To the Tea,Party or PRO ISRAEL groups thAt it gives to MOVE ON ..And all the Left Wing ..groups,in the same category...
BEFORE AN ELECTION
if you think this criminal behaviour is correct ..then what stops them when they come after you
YOU BROUGHT UP THE IRS THIS time.
AND I specifically answers in that.
I don't care about any group ..I'm not a joiner..But I darn well care when a government agency TRAMPLED THEIR RIGHTS .
And we all should care or this is no longer OUR country..
I cannot help it if you think they are HORRID people.
I feel the same way about So ross And company ..I think they are ruining this country ...
But unfortunately they have a right to exist and influence politics.
The IRS criminal behaviour was made up by NO ONE...THEY HAVE
ADMITTED ADMITTED it happened ..AND THAT IT WAS WRONG..Katie.
The only question is how High it went .
And hopefully we may find out..
Hearings on the IRS are not part of a theocracy .
And no real Right person wants that anywAy
We want freedom TO worship ..
We see a lot of what the Left and its social arms you mentioned as trying to take OUR rights away.
We can a see and worry about conspiracies.
But if you look up..into Washington
And forget your fears of those who are NOT in power
You would see what was wrong ..And why we need to get off the road of Government stopping the lawful process of elections
And our emails and phone calls fir that matter .
As I said ..We can agree to disagree.
If the truth ever is told, the left-wing radicals have a powerful group, it is called ignoring votes, ignoring laws and judicial activism.

Obama tells America to respect the vote of the jurist in the Zimmerman case, but Obama refuses to accept the DOMA law and the federal law against same sex marriage. Obama ignored Prop 8 and the constitutional law banning same sex marriage. Two governors and two AGs in California refused to respect the law of Prop 8, which was also a done deal.
Katie

Federal Way, WA

#305374 Jul 19, 2013
RoSesz wrote:
<quoted text>
KAtie..
I did never say they don't exist .
We already discussed this ..The LEFT WING RADICALS,also have powerful people in them as,I told you .
And the,LEFT is winning the fight ..So ros,and His billions..MO VE ON .And it's,off shoots .THE left wing radical Democrats,..the Left wing media,...
They have won ..
Just because people on the,RIGHT have passions,for things You d o not agree with .
I am passionate about some if the things on the Right
Does that mean that my own government to whom I have paid taxes is correct go shut me up using their power.
D dies it give them the right to nit give the same rights
To the Tea,Party or PRO ISRAEL groups thAt it gives to MOVE ON ..And all the Left Wing ..groups,in the same category...
BEFORE AN ELECTION
if you think this criminal behaviour is correct ..then what stops them when they come after you
YOU BROUGHT UP THE IRS THIS time.
AND I specifically answers in that.
I don't care about any group ..I'm not a joiner..But I darn well care when a government agency TRAMPLED THEIR RIGHTS .
And we all should care or this is no longer OUR country..
I cannot help it if you think they are HORRID people.
I feel the same way about So ross And company ..I think they are ruining this country ...
But unfortunately they have a right to exist and influence politics.
The IRS criminal behaviour was made up by NO ONE...THEY HAVE
ADMITTED ADMITTED it happened ..AND THAT IT WAS WRONG..Katie.
The only question is how High it went .
And hopefully we may find out..
Hearings on the IRS are not part of a theocracy .
And no real Right person wants that anywAy
We want freedom TO worship ..
We see a lot of what the Left and its social arms you mentioned as trying to take OUR rights away.
We can a see and worry about conspiracies.
But if you look up..into Washington
And forget your fears of those who are NOT in power
You would see what was wrong ..And why we need to get off the road of Government stopping the lawful process of elections
And our emails and phone calls fir that matter .
As I said ..We can agree to disagree.
You are still misunderstanding me, my point, the post. I am not in disagreement or agreement with you or anything you've written.

I brought up the IRS to show you the Religious Right targeted them, wants to dismantle them. And that's what the quote showed. IIRC, you'd denied this when we initially discussed it, saying the IRS commissioner had done wrong targeting the PACs of Tea Partiers. I did not disagree. Merely showed the IRS, itself, is being targeted.

And *that* had been the point all along. Easy peasy.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#305375 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You are still misunderstanding me, my point, the post. I am not in disagreement or agreement with you or anything you've written.
I brought up the IRS to show you the Religious Right targeted them, wants to dismantle them. And that's what the quote showed. IIRC, you'd denied this when we initially discussed it, saying the IRS commissioner had done wrong targeting the PACs of Tea Partiers. I did not disagree. Merely showed the IRS, itself, is being targeted.
And *that* had been the point all along. Easy peasy.
I think the larger question is whether or not groups, whose stated purpose is to raise money for a political agenda, are actually "operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare". Which, of course, was why such groups were receiving close scrutiny - not because of their political LEANINGS, be they left OR right.

Of course, being the cynic that I am, I also think the 'scandal' was perpetrated by the White House, as a red herring to all the OTHER shenanigans they've been up to there, of late.

:(

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305376 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You are still misunderstanding me, my point, the post. I am not in disagreement or agreement with you or anything you've written.
I brought up the IRS to show you the Religious Right targeted them, wants to dismantle them. And that's what the quote showed. IIRC, you'd denied this when we initially discussed it, saying the IRS commissioner had done wrong targeting the PACs of Tea Partiers. I did not disagree. Merely showed the IRS, itself, is being targeted.
And *that* had been the point all along. Easy peasy.
But Katie. The right can dislike the IRS all it wants..But are NIT BEHIND the hearings into abuse.

And no one I have ever known is in favoring this convoluted tax code

With a flat tax..or use tax ..yes the IRS as it is might be gone.
This is what most on the right are against ..And the libertarians too.

The sad thing is...as long as there are. Politics..the tax code will be used to court favors...And so the IRS will remain .

But not like this..they should act within the law...

Hun..I can want a million dollars. But that don't mean I will get it :)

And now we are getting socialism. Lucky US.

And even the supporters have figured out this new thing is going to cost them big time..unless of course they get exemptions.Politics as usual

As many tried to say in the first place ..And were IGNORED.

in another generation ..you all will HaVE abortion for sure..

But what price will be paid for the rest of the LEFT agenda,.

You will see..hope those death committees won't have too much power when you reach old age ...whatever they deem that to be by then..

I see this whole IRS thing as so dangerous and a real thing to be feared if not stopped Katie..

And the phone calls and the emails ...

And people ShouldShould know better..our legislators inciting riots over a,jury verdict ..on a man who has ALREADY been investigated by the FBI...who found absolutely NO evidence if racism.

The opposite ACTUAlly ...for months they interviewed every one he knew.

They guy tutors black kids..he stood up for a homeless black man against the city of SANFORD. he took a black girl to the prom as a teen.
Even the prosecution ..the family Said t her was NO question of racism

The jury said it

But these people from congress ..the celebs...the news ..are going to get someone else killed if there are riots,..for what

I am sick of political grandstanding ...

Sorry

Lol watching the news,..got worked up .

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305379 Jul 19, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I think the larger question is whether or not groups, whose stated purpose is to raise money for a political agenda, are actually "operated exclusively for the promotion of social welfare". Which, of course, was why such groups were receiving close scrutiny - not because of their political LEANINGS, be they left OR right.
Of course, being the cynic that I am, I also think the 'scandal' was perpetrated by the White House, as a red herring to all the OTHER shenanigans they've been up to there, of late.
:(
I think the tea party and the pro Israel groups,were,targeted. Be cause it was an election coming up..they are political

Just like the ones in the left

Somehow. These 527. 501 deals,got born out of ..of all things..election reform .

Social welfare???? Politics,..Move. on ..
All of them..anyway they exist..

I'm not sure on the red herring ..since yesterday's testimony it seems to go pretty high into Washington.

They will find more scapegoats besides the two they threw to the wolves.

But who knows .

And as I was trying to point out at any given time

No one likes the IR S..

Over the decades,I have heard plans to change the tax code from both sides,..And getting rid of that particular ORG has been at the top of a lot if lists ..pretty much hated by every one..And feared.

But this,is scary IMO and they got caught in the political cookie jar.

But it dies obscure a lot of other junk ..in that you are most correct

And now the Unions,are having a hussy..And the small businesses.

And jobs will go away or hours ..
And they sure do not want THAT ..NOR the NSA to be the story..

or a lot of other garbage.

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305380 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
You are still misunderstanding me, my point, the post. I am not in disagreement or agreement with you or anything you've written.
I brought up the IRS to show you the Religious Right targeted them, wants to dismantle them. And that's what the quote showed. IIRC, you'd denied this when we initially discussed it, saying the IRS commissioner had done wrong targeting the PACs of Tea Partiers. I did not disagree. Merely showed the IRS, itself, is being targeted.
And *that* had been the point all along. Easy peasy.
I typed in I r s target..evidently this stuff came out. Too many to post all of Them

http://www.redstate.com/toddstarnes/2013/05/1...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/06/confi...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/evangelical...

BILLY GRAHAM MINISTRIES. And of all thing SAMARITANS PURSE.

well there goes,lil ole ME.

It's the one charity at every disaster..And I think worth giving to when I can

FOUR STAR RATING ..CHARITY NAVIGATOR
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm...

And the Government goes after THEM .

Well hey Christian. And pro Israel ..Why not!!
No Relativism

Huntington, IN

#305381 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
First point, as has been repeated time and again, the developing fetal brain does not function properly until close to and following delivery. The thalamus, while developing, also is not functioning properly. It can't since it doesn't even receive all *it* needs to function properly until closer to term.
As I've said and proven with various links throughout the years.
Second point, I do not know why you insist on believing bullsh*t regarding fetal brain development. It's as if you *want* fetuses able to feel pain so your twisted imagination can run wild instead of being relieved.
"The thalamus derives its blood supply from four arteries including the polar artery (posterior communicating artery), paramedian thalamic-subthalamic arteries, inferolateral (thalamogeniculate) arteries, and posterior (medial and lateral) choroidal arteries.[4] These are all derived from the vertebrobasilar arterial system except the polar artery."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalamus
"The development of the PCA in the fetal brain occurs relatively late and arises from the fusion of several embryonic vessels near the caudal end of the posterior communicating artery.
The PCA begins as a continuation of the posterior communicating artery in 70-90% of fetuses with the remainder of PCAs having a basilar origin. The fetal carotid origin of the PCA usually regresses as the vertebral and basilar arteries become dominant and it finds a new origin in the basilar artery. About 20% of adults retain PCA origin from the posterior communicating artery, and in turn, the internal carotid arteries.[3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterior_commun...
(take your rude name calling BS and stick it exactly where your imagination regarding Cptr consistently wanders)
Katie V.: "The developing fetal brain does not function properly until close to and following delivery. The thalamus, while developing, also is not functioning properly."

By "function properly," do you mean they can't feel pain? How would you know this? Pain is subjective. You would have to ask the babies. All they need is awareness of self. Subplate zone neurons are FIRING early on. Thalamus has projections to the cortex early on. Thalamus is receiving sensory input from the baby's body early on.

I disagree. The preborn baby's brain is functioning just fine for his or her stage of life. It was you who said you do not consider a preborn baby's beating heart a heart because it doesn't function like your heart does. Again, the baby's heart is functioning exactly like it is supposed to be functioning at his/her stage of life.

Quick question since we are on the topic of stages of life and various body system functions: After menopause, will you still be considered a functioning woman? Just wondering...

Oh, here's what you said about BORN BABIES not yet being babies because YOU don't approve of their brain function:

"Fetus changing to baby is a process begun during labor and continuing after delivery well into the first 24-48hrs after childbirth.The brain continues to adjust for life outside the womb, see." - Katie

You're a mess.
No Relativism

Huntington, IN

#305382 Jul 19, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
First point, as has been repeated time and again, the developing fetal brain does not function properly until close to and following delivery. The thalamus, while developing, also is not functioning properly. It can't since it doesn't even receive all *it* needs to function properly until closer to term.
As I've said and proven with various links throughout the years.
Second point, I do not know why you insist on believing bullsh*t regarding fetal brain development. It's as if you *want* fetuses able to feel pain so your twisted imagination can run wild instead of being relieved.
"The thalamus derives its blood supply from four arteries including the polar artery (posterior communicating artery), paramedian thalamic-subthalamic arteries, inferolateral (thalamogeniculate) arteries, and posterior (medial and lateral) choroidal arteries.[4] These are all derived from the vertebrobasilar arterial system except the polar artery."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalamus
"The development of the PCA in the fetal brain occurs relatively late and arises from the fusion of several embryonic vessels near the caudal end of the posterior communicating artery.
The PCA begins as a continuation of the posterior communicating artery in 70-90% of fetuses with the remainder of PCAs having a basilar origin. The fetal carotid origin of the PCA usually regresses as the vertebral and basilar arteries become dominant and it finds a new origin in the basilar artery. About 20% of adults retain PCA origin from the posterior communicating artery, and in turn, the internal carotid arteries.[3]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posterior_commun...
(take your rude name calling BS and stick it exactly where your imagination regarding Cptr consistently wanders)
Katie V.: "I do not know why you insist on believing bullsh*t regarding fetal brain development. It's as if you *want* fetuses able to feel pain so your twisted imagination can run wild instead of being relieved."

It is you who posted the article that explains the "protegious" neurons within the subplate zone early on in utero.

The article YOU posted describes how the neurons in the subplate zone FIRE with obvious action potentials.

It is the article YOU cited that was excited to find thalamocortical projections (from thalamus to cortex) early on.

You finally realized that the article from the National Institute of Health YOU cited actually proved you wrong.

So, what does Katie do?

Katie then begins to bloviate about the circulatory system.

Psssst.......are you saying your article is now incorrect because the circulatory system...<wait for it>....is "not functioning properly"?

LOL!!!

Your own article placed you in the dunce corner, so you had to change the topic. I'd say YOU are the one who has a brain that's "not funtioning properly."

^^ Placed In Dunce Corner By The Article SHE Cited ^^

"OH YEAH?! WHAT ABOUT CIRCULATION?! HMMM?!" - Narcissists version of waving the white flag.

“Let the Children”

Since: Aug 08

Come To Me

#305385 Jul 19, 2013
WELL NOW I FEEL BETTER.

after reading about the Gov going after my favorite wonderful charity.

Hearing about all the scheduled protests. Punctuated by the Presidents speech .
One way to take the focus off Washington .

I was really upset..

Turned the channel and watched the NANNY episode where she throws a party and meets these loser guys..

And CC. has to share a room with the little one instead of the romantic weekend she planned.

Lol.

Nothing like the NANNY..

NOW for bedtime prayers

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