Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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Katie

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Jul 11, 2013
 
Madam Kindle wrote:
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Anyway if you are carrying your offspring you are mom
You are responsible for the human life in your womb
Normally you nurture it ..sometimes you end its life ..
Your responsible ..No one else
CARE OR KILL..your a mom.
(Not meaning you As in Katie)
So what makes an expectant father a Dad if he's not carrying said fetus?

“Reality is better than truth.”

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Jul 11, 2013
 
Most abortions aren't surgical, twit.
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Because their a liberal, and liberals think in nuances. Of course the surgical procedure that results in the death of a gestating human is way different then a natural miscarriage. But folks like you and I have not apparently "developed" our thinking to the point of a liberal, where an apple can be an orange or a mango because they say so.
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No Relativism wrote:
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Katie: "AJ responded to that initial post, NR responded to her. AJ responded to NR."
Who's on first?
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Katie: "Junket didn't say anything about calling a pregnant woman 'Mom'. She asked NR a question with the word Mom included."
Junket wrote to NR: "Puddles! What do you say to women that have miscarried? Better luck next time 'Mom'?"
Who's on second?
You and that op, Forum, both claimed pregnant women were mothers. Even if they hadn't yet experienced a live birth.

Why is it you have such a difficult time understanding your own points? There is no difference in the meanings of the words Mother and Mom.

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I know the feeling. My son turned 19 today and it seemed like only yesterday that he was born. How time flies!:o)
Yeah, my youngest will be 20 at the end of the year. We were going through older home movies on VHS the other day, in preparation for converting them to DVD, and I was thinking it doesn't seem that long ago that the kids were that young :)

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Jul 11, 2013
 
Do you use make-up to cover that hanger mark in your forehead?
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bHitler: "When they put my grandson on his feet, he ran right over!"
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I'm glad your grandson's legs weren't ripped off by a pair of abortionist's forceps.
If he had been brutally executed in utero, you would've supported that decision.
"Thanks, Grandma!"

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Jul 11, 2013
 
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Spot-on. There's no right or wrong in these situations. It's sensitive, personal beliefs and what works for one, wouldn't for another.
Correct, which is why the government should not be involved in the decision.

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Junket wrote:
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Greetings Rose! I think you harbor the assumption that all women would instinctively react/act the way you did/do.
Here's a link -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I%27m_Not_Sorry....
There's also a help place for women that regret aborting -
http://www.afterabortion.com/
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I'm guessing that the majority of women fall somewhere between the two extremes.
I have heard about that first one ...And read from others who are sorry.

But AJ in either case,..They were mothers..They made decisions that obviously affected the life of their child.

Only they know if indeed it does,not bother them..maybe the posting helps ..that's good

My dear friend who has,had three..Will not even mention the word.

Has many emotional problems and gets,counselling for other things.

Do I think she shoukd deal with it one way or the other..absolutely .

But I cannot and will not push her. Won't go further but I am there to listen if she needs it .

Anyway.. miscarriage..abortion..birth ...They all effect us as women

All have one thing in common ..mother. at least for a while .
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Katie wrote:
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You and that op, Forum, both claimed pregnant women were mothers. Even if they hadn't yet experienced a live birth.
Why is it you have such a difficult time understanding your own points? There is no difference in the meanings of the words Mother and Mom.
The state of being pregnant means that your biological child/new life has been conceived. If you were to be a surrogate "mother" then you are geststing another womans biological child.

You are a biological mother if you conceive gour child. If that child is given up for adoption, then another woman will"mother" that child (like in Roses case). She has been blessed to have been reunited with her biological son and now enjoys her grandchildren.

Are you suggesting that Rose was not a mother while pregnant with her adoptive son? Because her son had a mother who raised him, was she not still his mother?

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No Relativism wrote:
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bHitler: "When they put my grandson on his feet, he ran right over!"
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I'm glad your grandson's legs weren't ripped off by a pair of abortionist's forceps.
If he had been brutally executed in utero, you would've supported that decision.
"Thanks, Grandma!"
LOL, what melodrama, Mr. OCD.
No Relativism

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not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Because you seem to believe that pregnancy is just a woman's lot in life, and it is not. If a woman does not want to be a mother, she doesn't have to remain celibate her whole life to avoid it. Nor does she have to become a mother if she becomes pregnant. It's her choice - not yours.
Frustrates the living hell out of you, that your idea of responsibility isn't forced on women, any more than it is on men.
Too frikken bad, fella.
Playa: "You seem to believe that pregnancy is just a woman's lot in life"
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Once a unique & distinct human being is created in mom's womb, her baby IS.
Katie

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Madam Kindle wrote:
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Very nice .
There is a book ..also a DVD called TILLY..
ITS,sad but happy too .
I cried but smiled
Is this what you're recommending?

http://www.christianbook.com/tilly-frank-pere...
sassy JM

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-Michelle- wrote:
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I really think it's subjective. I've known women who've miscarried and they did not consider themselves a mother until they actually had a pregnancy that resulted in a live birth yet I've also met women who've miscarried and when asked how many children she has, she includes the pregnancies she's lost. I've met a woman who gave up a child for adoption but does not consider herself a mother. Then you have women who could not bear children but fostered/adopted and they consider themselves to be mothers. Who's right and who's wrong?
I think you people are confusing the word "mother" for "mothering". There are biological mothers and mothers who raise a child as their one. Location of that mothers child is irrelevent(in or out of the womb or / whether she raises thst child or another does).
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SB Aithusa Dragon wrote:
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Correct, which is why the government should not be involved in the decision.
SB: "Correct, which is why the government should not be involved in the decision."

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The discussion was about how to address a mother who experienced a miscarriage. The gov't is not involved w/ that.

Now, the gov't should be involved in protecting the most vulnerable and innocent - those in the womb.

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-Michelle- wrote:
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I really think it's subjective. I've known women who've miscarried and they did not consider themselves a mother until they actually had a pregnancy that resulted in a live birth yet I've also met women who've miscarried and when asked how many children she has, she includes the pregnancies she's lost. I've met a woman who gave up a child for adoption but does not consider herself a mother. Then you have women who could not bear children but fostered/adopted and they consider themselves to be mothers. Who's right and who's wrong?
No one ..

I can only speak for me on adoption and raising one

On my son I felt I did what was,best as his mom. Thank God I know him now,..

On my daughter she is the one constant in my life...my baby

Always,will be to her great chagrin .Lol

Just found out something..makes me even prouder than I already was...And through God's grace ...I know it was,He not me who made her the wonderful woman she is..She lost 2 babies..And I'm sure thinks on it but nit dwell..has been so blessed with the boys

Son and Dry In Law had like 10 miscarriages..finally the baby she had..
I'm sure she dies not dwell

But for the brief time they had those babies in the womb..They were mothers.

Maybe after..maybe in the hereafter they will be reunited..I know every child knit in the womb has,a soul and eternal life..So we shall see what Gids plan is for them..:)
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Obskeptic wrote:
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Because their a liberal, and liberals think in nuances. Of course the surgical procedure that results in the death of a gestating human is way different then a natural miscarriage. But folks like you and I have not apparently "developed" our thinking to the point of a liberal, where an apple can be an orange or a mango because they say so.
Exactly my point when I posted about one-dimensional thinking among anti-choicers. You can't handle nuances.
Of course, life is more simple that way.
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Part of the problem with miscarriages being devastating to some women is that they consider them children in the womb. My mom had 8 kids and 2 miscarriages. The miscarriages were disappointing but nowhere near tragic. Tragedy was losing the born daughter a month after birth.
It may be generational; more miscarriages used to occur in the past than do now. I think most women understood that the pregnancy wasn't a guarantee of having a baby, and proceeded accordingly. Of course, parents didn't treat kids like the center of the universe, either.
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Yes, Cptr, agree. In my experience losing a child over losing a fetus involves two very different grieving processes. One is centered around a real person who is forever lost to this world, the other is more centered around self; hopes and dreams of a potential that was not realized.

It is not worth arguing or one-upping, imo, because it is very personal and individual.

Which brings it full circle to women deciding to gestate or terminate their unwanted/unhealthy pregnancies.

But to make a blanket statement applicable to all pregnant women and then try to remove civil rights because one experienced a miscarriage is just not a healthy coping strategy. jmo of course.

(think I've offered condolences prior and hope you remember)
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Katie! Based on what some believe, if you are pregnant you are a mother. Unless you have an existing child or children, that is simply not the case.
I have been known to congratulate new parents and I do call them "Mom" and "Dad". Is that really unusual? What I have never done is addressed a pregnant woman as "Mom". That was the point which I failed to make.
Yep, think I got the gist of what you were saying, AJ.

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cpeter1313 wrote:
Most abortions aren't surgical, twit.
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No where did I see him say they were. Just that the two are different. and they are, twit.

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No Relativism wrote:
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SB: "Correct, which is why the government should not be involved in the decision."
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The discussion was about how to address a mother who experienced a miscarriage. The gov't is not involved w/ that.
Now, the gov't should be involved in protecting the most vulnerable and innocent - those in the womb.
Thanks for stopping by.
I have not had time to read the entire thread. At what point do you define life? Do you use a scientific method or a religious one?

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