Unless the UN was comprised of ishmaelites, the children of ishmael had exactly NOTHING to do with the creation of the country named israel. So, again, the bible is irrelevant to the modern world.
It was, is, and always will be relevant. Cpeter knows this, just hates to addmit it :)
Been a while grumps, hope all is well with you and others. I've missed rose and spooner as well. Be back later on to check in, to see if there are any conversions :) peace.